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[Dave Hedgehog]

jjwilde said:

I'm surprised that more UK police forces are not looking at the 3. Or maybe they are. I know several have i3s and Leafs at the moment.

i am amazed any organisation could put up with the inflexible st show that is the tesla buying experience in the UK

any changes to spec would have to be done after purchase

[T-195]

Sambucket said:

Yeah, it's the high cost of being poor.

if you can't afford the upfront costs of an EV, you are stuck paying through the nose for the higher total costs of the ICE.

Not really fair on poor people who end up driving ICE and paying more than the rich, who enjoy superior tech at lower cost, but it is what it is.

Please never assume we'd all be driving an EV if only we could afford one. Millions of people have nowhere to charge one.

Paying through the nose for supposedly lower running costs.

Massive depreciation.

In no way cool.

Etc..

[hyphen]

Heres Johnny said:

From what I read earlier, even Tesla don't use Teslas for their rangers in some parts of the country due to lack of supercharging

A model 3 isn't free to run, sure they could have some of them but Tesla would probably invalidate the warranty as soon as anyone tinkers with it adding blue lights and a police radio. As a bog standard panda car (if they're still called that), then maybe, but then Kona EVs would be more practical and cheaper

Tesla have a fleet of polluting fossil fuel Ford Transits for their service vehicles in USA.

Edited by hyphen on Friday 30th August 15:10

[hyphen]

skwdenyer said:

hyphen said:

jjwilde said:

I'm surprised that more UK police forces are not looking at the 3. Or maybe they are. I know several have i3s and Leafs at the moment.

Not seen Leafs but know both the police and fire service have the odd i3.

Lack of space to charge them may limit mass orders? Also they need them back on the road straight away and from what I've read, getting body parts takes time?

The Met have some i3s. I've chatted to the crews; they particularly like the ability to creep up on people The range is pretty poor on them, of course, and they're expensive, but they seem to like them. Rear doors that won't open before the front ones aren't the advantage you'd imagine, however, since in the UK we cart off arrestees by van much of the time.

UK forces seem to prefer hatches to saloons, so perhaps the Model 3 would be a poor fit?

Without a heavy engine at the front, would it affect the abilities to ram a vehicle?

[Dave Hedgehog]

hyphen said:

Tesla have a fleet of polluting fossil fuel Ford Transits for their service vehicles in USA.

Edited by hyphen on Friday 30th August 15:10

they will be able to change them to VWs EV vans soon

[anonymous-user]

T-195 said:

Please never assume we'd all be driving an EV if only we could afford one. Millions of people have nowhere to charge one.

Paying through the nose for supposedly lower running costs.

Massive depreciation.

In no way cool.

Etc..

Whatever gets you to sleep at night!

They are totally the cool thing. The music you grew up with, is no longer cool.

[jamoor]

T-195 said:

Sambucket said:

Yeah, it's the high cost of being poor.

if you can't afford the upfront costs of an EV, you are stuck paying through the nose for the higher total costs of the ICE.

Not really fair on poor people who end up driving ICE and paying more than the rich, who enjoy superior tech at lower cost, but it is what it is.

Please never assume we'd all be driving an EV if only we could afford one. Millions of people have nowhere to charge one.

Paying through the nose for supposedly lower running costs.

Massive depreciation.

In no way cool.

Etc..

In my case the signifantly cheaper running costs offset the depreciation.

The more I drive it the cheaper it becomes.

[Heres Johnny]

jamoor said:

The more I drive it the cheaper it becomes.

Unfortunately thats not a good incentive for the planet, even in an EV

[jamoor]

Heres Johnny said:

Unfortunately thats not a good incentive for the planet, even in an EV

Well you have to get from a to b in some way. An electric car is alot more efficient than a petrol one so it's a start.

[Heres Johnny]

jamoor said:

Heres Johnny said:

Unfortunately thats not a good incentive for the planet, even in an EV

Well you have to get from a to b in some way. An electric car is alot more efficient than a petrol one so it's a start.

Oh I agree on that, the owners group is full of stories though of people who now do double the mileage they used to, kind of misses the point about any mile driven is a bad mile, its just not as bad in an EV

[jamoor]

Heres Johnny said:

jamoor said:

Heres Johnny said:

Unfortunately thats not a good incentive for the planet, even in an EV

Well you have to get from a to b in some way. An electric car is alot more efficient than a petrol one so it's a start.

Oh I agree on that, the owners group is full of stories though of people who now do double the mileage they used to, kind of misses the point about any mile driven is a bad mile, its just not as bad in an EV

What if it was powered by solar panels on your roof, or one of those electricity providers that say they are 100% renewable?

[PS2018]

Apologies if this has already been covered in depth amongst the 371 pages on this thread so far, but my question is:
If one buys anything from a taycan to a model S to an i3 today, in 3/4/5 years time when batteries will go twice the range on half the charging time, will one be able to pay to upgrade/swap out my existing batteries at a sensible price? Or will I need to p/x the whole car?

[Smiljan]

PS2018 said:

Apologies if this has already been covered in depth amongst the 371 pages on this thread so far, but my question is:
If one buys anything from a taycan to a model S to an i3 today, in 3/4/5 years time when batteries will go twice the range on half the charging time, will one be able to pay to upgrade/swap out my existing batteries at a sensible price? Or will I need to p/x the whole car?

Pretty unlikely that you’d be able to do this economically, it’d likely be cheaper just to trade up.

[jamoor]

PS2018 said:

Apologies if this has already been covered in depth amongst the 371 pages on this thread so far, but my question is:
If one buys anything from a taycan to a model S to an i3 today, in 3/4/5 years time when batteries will go twice the range on half the charging time, will one be able to pay to upgrade/swap out my existing batteries at a sensible price? Or will I need to p/x the whole car?

I think this is a possibility, not only that but they will be cheaper.

I remember watching a video of the batteries in a model s being change automatically within a few minutes.

[hyphen]

PS2018 said:

Apologies if this has already been covered in depth amongst the 371 pages on this thread so far, but my question is:
If one buys anything from a taycan to a model S to an i3 today, in 3/4/5 years time when batteries will go twice the range on half the charging time, will one be able to pay to upgrade/swap out my existing batteries at a sensible price? Or will I need to p/x the whole car?

A US Ford exec was asked if it's new Sync 3 system would be available for ford cars manufactured in last 3 years.

Don Butler - executive director at Ford said:

"The upgrade path," he said firmly, "is a new vehicle."

Who knows, if it is profitable enough for a manufacturer or aftermarket company to make upgrades then perhaps, but as the cars drop in value, will it be worth the cost? As won't be just the batteries that will move on, but every part of the car.


You currently have Retrofit companies, but paying £1k for a double din nav system from a later year isn't worth it for a car now worth a 3rd of its initial value.

Edited by hyphen on Friday 30th August 21:42

[T-195]

hyphen said:

Tesla have a fleet of polluting fossil fuel Ford Transits for their service vehicles in USA.

Edited by hyphen on Friday 30th August 15:10

At least they won't catch fire.

[SWoll]

PS2018 said:

Apologies if this has already been covered in depth amongst the 371 pages on this thread so far, but my question is:
If one buys anything from a taycan to a model S to an i3 today, in 3/4/5 years time when batteries will go twice the range on half the charging time, will one be able to pay to upgrade/swap out my existing batteries at a sensible price? Or will I need to p/x the whole car?

I still struggle with this "twice the range" thing. With city cars like the i3 doing 175 miles and mid size saloons like the Model 3 doing 300 why do they need to go twice as far?

If they can manage to get the same size battery pack to store twice the power then in my view the best way forward would be to fit half as many batteries and reduce the weight significantly. This will also help to improve the range of that storage anyway with less kg to move around.

Such a small % of drivers need 250-300 miles plus I just don't see the point if they can improve charging speeds and infrastructure.

T-195 said:

At least they won't catch fire.

Yep, never happened to an ICE vehicle as petrol is a well known fire retardent.

Edited by SWoll on Friday 30th August 21:53

[Burwood]

A question for Tesla/EV owners please. Do you have a creep function. The E Golf I had rolled back on me and freaked me out. Creep is a must have.

[jamoor]

hyphen said:

Who knows, if it is profitable enough for a manufacturer or aftermarket company to make upgrades then perhaps, but as the cars drop in value, will it be worth the cost? As won't be just the batteries that will move on, but every part of the car.


You currently have Retrofit companies, but paying £1k for a double din nav system from a later year isn't worth it for a car now worth a 3rd of its initial value.

Edited by hyphen on Friday 30th August 21:42

Well ICE cars drop in value due to the increase in the cost of maintaining it.

A motor and battery aren't exactly complicated nor hard to remove and replace.

[PS2018]

Appreciate the replies in particular hyphen and swoll - good points - cheers