Hydrogen is the future of motoring

[Raize]

rossmc88 said:

There are no technical restrictions to the advancement of fuel technology, the oil companies keep an artificial barrier on it, so they can keep selling us fossil fuels and making shocking amounts of money

The solutions already exist, they are just kept locked away

I guess everything will be fine then. The companies want to make money, and once petrol becomes so costly that noone can afford it and the economy is about to grind to a complete halt, they will release these solutions and everyone will be happy. After all global economic collapse is something no business wants.

[otolith]

thinfourth2 said:

So that is your solution to the oil crisis

A petrol powered mini bus with a plastic bottle of water in the boot fitted with some random pipes and gears




Yes big oil is stopping us from knowing about the incredible technology know as a jam jar

That's not just ordinary H2O, that's HHO, which is almost as powerful a transport technology as ROFL.

[seanh]

Hydrogen, the fuel of the future. Always has been. Always will be.

[otolith]

^^ and never of the present?

[thinfourth2]

otolith said:

thinfourth2 said:

So that is your solution to the oil crisis

A petrol powered mini bus with a plastic bottle of water in the boot fitted with some random pipes and gears




Yes big oil is stopping us from knowing about the incredible technology know as a jam jar

That's not just ordinary H2O, that's HHO, which is almost as powerful a transport technology as ROFL.

You do realise that we are both going to be killed tonight by big oil as we have posted the secret of free energy

[Mr2Mike]

Prof Prolapse said:

Incidentally, the horrific images of the Hindenburg were largely attributed to the thermite based lining weren't they?

No they weren't but it makes a good urban legend. Perhaps it was invented to make the Nazis appear utterly stupid by painting a very heavy and extremely flammable compound onto a lighter than air craft?

[Omshanti]

thinfourth2 said:

Omshanti said:

I like hydrogen technology because it can be used for both fuel cell electric motors or internal combustion engines. As long as there are internal combustion engines there would be the need for gears hence manual gears will survive. If it's used for internal combustion engines then there isn't really much to change from what there already is either so probably much less cost as well. Unfortunately manufacturers seem to be more interested in using hydrogen for fuel cell electric motors. I remember until few years ago, there were many small companies in Japan competing with each other to perfect the hydrogen technology and many of them were developing hydrogen powered combustion engines. Some of them were even water powered. However, these small companies seem to have all gone bust and disappeared now, for some unknown reason. It's a shame really.
I really want the hydrogen powered combustion engine to take off. Then we can keep making hydrogen powered V8s, V10s and so on with manual transmissions.

This is a news clip I found of one company doing the combustion engine with water and hydrogen. It only emits water, and runs like a petrol car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV2M_1Ud188&fea...

So that is your solution to the oil crisis

A petrol powered mini bus with a plastic bottle of water in the boot fitted with some random pipes and gears




Yes big oil is stopping us from knowing about the incredible technology know as a jam jar

Edited by thinfourth2 on Wednesday 1st August 18:34

Where on earth did I suggest that it's a solution to the oil crisis. I wasn't trying to address such an issue anywhere.
What I was trying to say is that out of all the alternative energy technologies available so far, the hydrogen powered combustion engine is most likely to preserve the fun of driving as we know it today.
I didn't even participate in the discussion here about whether oil companies are preventing new technologies or not.
So I think you have quoted the wrong post here.

By the way, the van is not petrol powered. It is powered by water and hydrogen. Not a drop of petrol is used in it.

Personally I thought people here would jump at the possibility of preserving the manual transmission and combustion engine in the future through another energy source.

I am new in this forum, but to be honest I was expecting a nice friendly community who are here to share their love of cars. I did not expect so much unreasonable negativity here.

Edited by Omshanti on Wednesday 1st August 19:47

[Terminator X]

Dr Interceptor said:

Production costs will come down, a fuelling infrastructure will take shape, advances will be made in tank and storage technology, and before you know it, we'll all be commuting in zero emissions vehicles.

Zero emissions ... how on earth will they tax us?!

TX.

[otolith]

thinfourth2 said:

You do realise that we are both going to be killed tonight by big oil as we have posted the secret of free energy

I shall stay away from the chip pan.

[anonymous-user]

Omshanti said:

the hydrogen powered combustion engine is most likely to preserve the fun of driving as we know it today.

Unlikely, because a conventional internal combustion engine has a low maximum possible thermal efficiency, so will never be a truely efficient way of converting a chemical energy source into kinetic energy. If hydrogen has a future, it is in conjunction with electric traction, and something like a Fuel cell doing the chemical-electrical part.

[Omshanti]

As I have been writing several times in my previous posts in this topic, I am not trying to argue about the efficiency of the combustion engine vs the fuel cell electric motor as I know the latter is more efficient.
My whole point is that out of all the proposed alternative technologies, I like the hydrogen powered combustion engine because it would be the same as driving petrol cars and would keep everything we like about driving today in the future (that is of course if anybody tries to develop it).
Perhaps it won't take off as a practical technology in the future but nevertheless I wasn't trying to address its practicality.
If one day petrol runs out, any alternative energy source that allows cars to run just like petrol cars is an attractive technology to me.
That is all I am trying to say. Nothing more nothing less.

Regarding electric motors, is it possible to use manual transmissions on them?
I know they have a wide power band and do not require gears as much as combustion engines, but surely they must have a point where power is at its optimum and therefore to make the best gears would be required?

Edited by Omshanti on Wednesday 1st August 20:42

[roadend1981]

They already have the technology to have cars run on water,have done for the last 10 years,but won't roll it out,because of all the money they make on the petrol and diesel tax.

[otolith]

roadend1981 said:

They already have the technology to have cars run on water,have done for the last 10 years,but won't roll it out,because of all the money they make on the petrol and diesel tax.

Who is getting the Nobel prize for re-writing physics and chemistry then?

I'm mostly annoyed at the way the charcoal industry is covering up how I can relight my barbecue ash.

[DonkeyApple]

roadend1981 said:

They already have the technology to have cars run on water,have done for the last 10 years,but won't roll it out,because of all the money they make on the petrol and diesel tax.

Seriously?

[roadend1981]

Yes seriously

[DrTre]

I'd be interested to see the proof in that statement.

[roadend1981]

Search hydrogen fuel cell on YouTube and car run on water.

[jbi]

none of this would be a problem if those taxis were just using standard petrol engines, with petrol having a reasonable price tag attached.

[thinfourth2]

Omshanti said:

My whole point is that out of all the proposed alternative technologies, I like the hydrogen powered combustion engine because it would be the same as driving petrol cars

Exhibit A


The nissan micra.

fking boring car and the removal of the petrol engine and replacement of it by an electric motor could not make it any more boring. If anything it would make it more pleasant


Exhibit B


A pony

An animal of no fking use what so ever. It has been made completely redundant by motorised transport. But you can still buy them. It has become a toy.



So if you think that the future of fun motoring is Hydrogen you are hugely wrong. Modern cars are unfeasibly dull. If you think the coming wave of electric cars means the death of fun cars then you are also wrong as fun cars will carry on to exist as petrol won't vanish it will just get bloody expensive.

[DonkeyApple]

roadend1981 said:

Search hydrogen fuel cell on YouTube and car run on water.

For a list of funding scams and mentalists?

Where do you get the energy to break the bond between the atoms to create the gas?

Is the gas produced able to generate more energy than the energy required to break the initial bonds?

What has happened to the UK education system?