Shockingly bad NCAP score for the Zoe
Discussion
sjg said:
Easy to say that it's all about electronic aids now, but the core crash testing keeps getting refined too.
The MG ZS petrol.got 3 stars, but the EV had 5 stars with all the extra tech. Certainly helps the score, but Zoe has much wider issues.Edited by sjg on Friday 10th December 11:28
I do have a family, and it is my wife and kids that mainly drove the Zoe, but it has since been sold and they lived to tell the tale. Before that they drove a 2003 Jeep, so the Zoe was almost certainly an improvement. We're graduating to a 3 star e-up.
Edited by Lil_Red_GTV on Friday 10th December 11:50
Lil_Red_GTV said:
I do have a family, and it is my wife and kids that mainly drove the Zoe, but it has since been sold and they lived to the tale. Before that they drove a 2003 Jeep, so the Zoe was almost certainly an improvement. We're graduating to a 3 star e-up.
Still very solid on front and rear occupant protection though, unlike the Zoe.
SWoll said:
Lil_Red_GTV said:
I do have a family, and it is my wife and kids that mainly drove the Zoe, but it has since been sold and they lived to the tale. Before that they drove a 2003 Jeep, so the Zoe was almost certainly an improvement. We're graduating to a 3 star e-up.
Still very solid on front and rear occupant protection though, unlike the Zoe.
Lil_Red_GTV said:
Not that it really matters to me. I'm interested in the subject because I had a 2016 Zoe, but if I'm being honest, the reason I wouldn't get a new one is that (a) I can't afford it, and (b) I don't find the facelifted styling as cohesive as before.
Ultimately looks are more important than safety to me, which is a pretty shocking statement when I write it down, but is the honest truth. I'll pick the best looking car over the safest one every time (assuming one car is not both).
If the Renault 5 EV gets zero stars but looks like the concept I will be selling my granny to buy one anyway.
One of my best mates has an attitude like this about women, so you are in good company for sure. Lol.Ultimately looks are more important than safety to me, which is a pretty shocking statement when I write it down, but is the honest truth. I'll pick the best looking car over the safest one every time (assuming one car is not both).
If the Renault 5 EV gets zero stars but looks like the concept I will be selling my granny to buy one anyway.
ChocolateFrog said:
I tooled about in a 96 Rover Mini as a student, probably the most dangerous car available at the time. Driving around in a new Zoe would not bother me but for a lot of people seeing zero stars will be a deal breaker. The reality being I bet not a single person has died in a side impact in a Renault Zoe.
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The thing is though, modern cars need to be robust in crashes with modern cars. An 96 mini was a paper bag of a car, but the ford escort mk3 that hit you was also a paper bag of a car. And of course, back then, a LOT more people were killed or seriously injured in RTA's despite the number of cars and miles driven being lower!.
Today, if you buy a new Zoe, then there is non zero probability of being involved in a crash with say a 5 star car, and that is going to end worse for the driver and occupants of the Zoe.
It's also worth noting that most people who find the Driver Assistance systems annoying find them annoying because they are in fact, TERRIBLE drivers. Poor steering, poor road positioning, sudden braking, all things that trigger DAS to interviene. And of course, day in, and day out, DAS systems prevent accidents and mitigate the severity of accidents that occur to normal people. Thing is, you don't see posts on facebook that say "hey, my car just saved my life because i was driving terribly and not paying attention"...........
(One thing to note is that DAS intervention is [b] deliberately [b] calibrated to be intrusive. If the system has interviened the driver needs to know that fact. DAS systems can only work to prevent and mitigate collisions if they act in a timely, rapid and relatively aggresive manner. Just 1 or 2 meters of earlier braking make huge difference to surviability in say a car / pedestrian impact in typical urban environments where most of these events occur.
The thing about the ZOE being downgrade tho if you watch the video of the pole test and compare against the 2013 its quite obvious that the car has got worse. In '13 the side bag very visibly protects the drivers head from impacting the side glass, in the '21 test said drivers head breaks the glass.
https://youtu.be/HiOs1mCMH4Q?t=69
Looking at the frontal and offset frontal views it is also quite obvious that the car as tested in '21 is penetrated further. Maybe the test has become harder or maybe Renault have lowered the level of crash protection in the intervening years.
https://youtu.be/HiOs1mCMH4Q?t=69
Looking at the frontal and offset frontal views it is also quite obvious that the car as tested in '21 is penetrated further. Maybe the test has become harder or maybe Renault have lowered the level of crash protection in the intervening years.
Welshbeef said:
I stand by my opening post it is dangerous - you are actually buying a Zoe now that is more dangerous than it was previously due to cost cutting(?)
Everyone has their priorities but I'm quite happy with our current cars which will be far less safe than the Zoe (my daily driver has no air-bags at all) so the safety (or lack thereof) of the Zoe wouldn't put me off one. It is a bit rubbish that they actually made it worse, though. People will look at the safest cars on sale today as "dangerous" in ten years' time. Everything is relative.
lost in espace said:
Evanivitch said:
The MG ZS petrol.got 3 stars, but the EV had 5 stars with all the extra tech. Certainly helps the score, but Zoe has much wider issues.
I think the underfloor battery makes an improvement to structural rigidity as well. Cabin intrusion is generally not an issue with any modern cars on the tests done by Euro-NCAP, although many still struggle with the small-offet bit of the EPA test.
kambites said:
Both versions of the ZS got very good marks for structural integrity so I don't think the battery made a significant difference. I think the biggest differences to the crash safety scores came from the fact that the EV has pretensioners and load limiters on the rear belts, and better designed seats in the front (hence it got a much better whiplash score).
Cabin intrusion is generally not an issue with any modern cars on the tests done by Euro-NCAP, although many still struggle with the small-offet bit of the EPA test.
Interesting, thanks!Cabin intrusion is generally not an issue with any modern cars on the tests done by Euro-NCAP, although many still struggle with the small-offet bit of the EPA test.
kambites said:
Welshbeef said:
I stand by my opening post it is dangerous - you are actually buying a Zoe now that is more dangerous than it was previously due to cost cutting(?)
Everyone has their priorities but I'm quite happy with our current cars which will be far less safe than the Zoe (my daily driver has no air-bags at all) so the safety (or lack thereof) of the Zoe wouldn't put me off one. It is a bit rubbish that they actually made it worse, though. People will look at the safest cars on sale today as "dangerous" in ten years' time. Everything is relative.
The fact it has deteriorated through OEM choices is shocking. Actually is there any other vehicle that can be named where the old version of the car is factually safer than its newer version?
Welshbeef said:
I think a point is if you had an older Zoe and we’re upgrading to a new Zoe you’d be expecting safety to be the same or improved - actually given launch in 2013 and now 2021 you’d expect it to be safer.
The fact it has deteriorated through OEM choices is shocking. Actually is there any other vehicle that can be named where the old version of the car is factually safer than its newer version?
The test is completely different in 2021 to the 2013 test The fact it has deteriorated through OEM choices is shocking. Actually is there any other vehicle that can be named where the old version of the car is factually safer than its newer version?
Your misunderstanding of that basic premise is leading to your hyperbolic 'won't people think of the children' response.
The Rotrex Kid said:
Welshbeef said:
I think a point is if you had an older Zoe and we’re upgrading to a new Zoe you’d be expecting safety to be the same or improved - actually given launch in 2013 and now 2021 you’d expect it to be safer.
The fact it has deteriorated through OEM choices is shocking. Actually is there any other vehicle that can be named where the old version of the car is factually safer than its newer version?
The test is completely different in 2021 to the 2013 test The fact it has deteriorated through OEM choices is shocking. Actually is there any other vehicle that can be named where the old version of the car is factually safer than its newer version?
Your misunderstanding of that basic premise is leading to your hyperbolic 'won't people think of the children' response.
Head airbags been removed in the new one.
Old car side impact driver and passenger do not smash head into door frame rather into the curtain airbag. New car head smashes into the body and likewise rear passengers.
ROFLOL your kidder you. This has been discussed over all these pages did you jump to end of thread ignoring all the posters who had identified this material failure / new car is factually less safe than old model?
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