2023 Prius (Sadly not coming here!)
Discussion
Snow and Rocks said:
The plug in range part of the Prius will surely cost roughly the same as a pure EV for most day to day running around unless I'm missing something? You then have cheaper than supercharger rates for long trips without the faff/planning needed with a pure EV. Given the continued public concern about EV range I think it could do pretty well if Toyota UK market it properly.
It's also much better looking and almost certainly better built than anything Tesla make.
It sounds ideal to me and I could easily see it replacing our Model Y - the only compromise if you can call it that is the need for a fixed price ~£300 a year service but even that is likely to be more than cancelled out by the 10 year warranty and Toyota reliability.
That's fair enough but a pure BEV can be had for the same money and will be a superior drive. You'd have to actually need the greater range often enough to make that sacrifice. Which I acknowledge some people will need, but most actually don't.It's also much better looking and almost certainly better built than anything Tesla make.
It sounds ideal to me and I could easily see it replacing our Model Y - the only compromise if you can call it that is the need for a fixed price ~£300 a year service but even that is likely to be more than cancelled out by the 10 year warranty and Toyota reliability.
Even then, it's still a car that is chosen for entirely practical reasons, I started out on this thread asking why it was getting so much praise as 'a car', rather than as a solution.
AmitG said:
Agree this is great news.
I wonder if they will bring the self-charging version over here as a cheaper option. That would be awesome.
From what I've seen the new CH-R is mechanically similar to the new Prius, and that will have a standard hybrid 'self-charging' version here starting at £31,290 https://www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/new-toyota-c-hr/...I wonder if they will bring the self-charging version over here as a cheaper option. That would be awesome.
So there's a chance.
Snow and Rocks said:
The plug in range part of the Prius will surely cost roughly the same as a pure EV for most day to day running around unless I'm missing something? You then have cheaper than supercharger rates for long trips without the faff/planning needed with a pure EV. Given the continued public concern about EV range I think it could do pretty well if Toyota UK market it properly.
It's also much better looking and almost certainly better built than anything Tesla make.
It sounds ideal to me and I could easily see it replacing our Model Y - the only compromise if you can call it that is the need for a fixed price ~£300 a year service but even that is likely to be more than cancelled out by the 10 year warranty and Toyota reliability.
I do own a Rav4 Plug in hybrid. It was Toyotas first modern PHEV and it is brilliant. It does have a heat pump, long EV range with good performance and very efficient ICE for long distance driving. Prius will be more economical for sure, because Rav4 is a big'ish car with a high ground clearance. However if you need to have more space what Prius can offer, i can fully recommend Rav4.It's also much better looking and almost certainly better built than anything Tesla make.
It sounds ideal to me and I could easily see it replacing our Model Y - the only compromise if you can call it that is the need for a fixed price ~£300 a year service but even that is likely to be more than cancelled out by the 10 year warranty and Toyota reliability.
These modern Toyota PHEV's are really good. I'm now planning to do some modification to rav4, to make it little suitable for short overlanding trips. Big battery and heat pump are luxury items when camping and efficient powertrain is good for both daily driving and longer trips.
ajprice said:
From what I've seen the new CH-R is mechanically similar to the new Prius, and that will have a standard hybrid 'self-charging' version here starting at £31,290 https://www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/new-toyota-c-hr/...
So there's a chance.
But doesn’t look nowhere near as good as this Prius. I fear as soon as 1980s marketing gets involved I’ll be put off. My Hyundai there’s a premium and ultimate version of the car, easy quick choice.So there's a chance.
Richyboy said:
But doesn’t look nowhere near as good as this Prius. I fear as soon as 1980s marketing gets involved I’ll be put off. My Hyundai there’s a premium and ultimate version of the car, easy quick choice.
1980's marketing? Toyota are usually pretty transparent with the models with very little in the way of options. My Hilux for example is the lowest of 4 models with only dealer fit stuff like roof racks and different types of towbar as possible add ons.I'd much rather the option than be stuck with a load of expensive gadgetry that I don't want.
Edited by Snow and Rocks on Tuesday 21st November 22:16
Snow and Rocks said:
1980's marketing? Toyota are usually pretty transparent with the models with very little in the way of options. My Hilux for example is the lowest of 4 models with only dealer fit stuff like roof racks and different types of towbar as possible add ons.
I'd much rather the option than be stuck with a load of expensive gadgetry that I don't want.
Everybody is different I guess. For me, I don't want to be thinking about different trims, specs, options etc on a car that's sole purpose is basic daily transportation. A luxury or performance or even track car would be a different situation.I'd much rather the option than be stuck with a load of expensive gadgetry that I don't want.
Edited by Snow and Rocks on Tuesday 21st November 22:16
Yes I was quite sad to see the new Prius not coming to the UK as it looks a lot better than the old one and the PHEV might be a better option than full EV if the leccy range is decent.
I spoke to a Lexus salesman at a country fair in the summer, and he said the CHR sales were much better than expected and people seemed to buy the Corolla over the Prius.
Camry dropped also, people just don't want traditional cars it seems. Look at new Lexus LBX, a posh Yaris Cross. GS dropped for the ES posh Camry. They may as well start bringing their huge SUVs from the US over here.
I spoke to a Lexus salesman at a country fair in the summer, and he said the CHR sales were much better than expected and people seemed to buy the Corolla over the Prius.
Camry dropped also, people just don't want traditional cars it seems. Look at new Lexus LBX, a posh Yaris Cross. GS dropped for the ES posh Camry. They may as well start bringing their huge SUVs from the US over here.
Richyboy said:
But doesn’t look nowhere near as good as this Prius. I fear as soon as 1980s marketing gets involved I’ll be put off. My Hyundai there’s a premium and ultimate version of the car, easy quick choice.
Hyundai normally have several options available. I was looking at the Tucson not too long ago and there's an SE, Premium, N-Line and Ultimate.P675 said:
Yes I was quite sad to see the new Prius not coming to the UK as it looks a lot better than the old one and the PHEV might be a better option than full EV if the leccy range is decent.
I spoke to a Lexus salesman at a country fair in the summer, and he said the CHR sales were much better than expected and people seemed to buy the Corolla over the Prius.
Camry dropped also, people just don't want traditional cars it seems. Look at new Lexus LBX, a posh Yaris Cross. GS dropped for the ES posh Camry. They may as well start bringing their huge SUVs from the US over here.
I was told very similar by a Toyota sales person. The Prius was hardly selling towards the end. The biggest market by far was private hire drivers, and they all went to the Corolla. Family buyers went for the CH-R, because SUV.I spoke to a Lexus salesman at a country fair in the summer, and he said the CHR sales were much better than expected and people seemed to buy the Corolla over the Prius.
Camry dropped also, people just don't want traditional cars it seems. Look at new Lexus LBX, a posh Yaris Cross. GS dropped for the ES posh Camry. They may as well start bringing their huge SUVs from the US over here.
But in fairness that is partly because the UK Prius offering was very dated by that time, especially the infotainment. And the new Corolla matched it for fuel efficiency and even did better. With the new Prius, they clearly see a market for it again. Maybe for people who want something different but are not ready for a BEV/FCEV. Either that or it is not selling in other RHD markets...but given the stellar reviews, I don't think that is the case.
If there is a self charging version then I will seriously consider it.
I was one of the very few who bought a Camry brand new. They only brought 500 into the UK I believe. One of the best cars I ever owned. The ES is a logical and really nice replacement, but it is expensive (starting price around £40k), and it lacks one feature that I really need (folding rear seats).
I also bought a Corolla saloon brand new
P675 said:
Yes I was quite sad to see the new Prius not coming to the UK as it looks a lot better than the old one and the PHEV might be a better option than full EV if the leccy range is decent.
But having a PHEV with decent range to not have a fully EV seems very counter-intuitive.They only really work because they don't have/need a big battery.
It's hard to deny Toyota got it very right with the Prius, seeing the reliability on some of the PHEV's like BMW only makes their feat more impressive.
That said, talking to some PHEV owners, they literally drag an entire drivetrain (engine, gearbox, petrol tank and everything to make it work with the EV drivetrain) with them to use maybe once a month.
The alternative (full EV) would be to just have a bigger battery, that you also don't need most of the time but is there for that once a month necessity.
I think we're beyond the point where for the vast majority of drivers, the first option seems a lot more silly than the second one.
Reviving this thread..
The Prius is coming to the UK after all.
https://www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/all-new-prius-pl...
The Prius is coming to the UK after all.
https://www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/all-new-prius-pl...
Ammo84 said:
Reviving this thread..
The Prius is coming to the UK after all.
https://www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/all-new-prius-pl...
Looks like it's only as the plug in version, and not the plain hybrid 'self charging' model.The Prius is coming to the UK after all.
https://www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/all-new-prius-pl...
Its a great looking vehicle, but for various reasons Toyota find themselves in the wrong place. They bet heavily on hydrogen - and that doesn't work in passenger cars - and wanted to keep their very clever and very reliable Hybrid Synergy Drive going because profits.
They're now investing heavily in EV tech to catch up, but until they do, they don't want to import a vehicle which isn't seen as on-trend. Which is a shame - hybrids absolutely have a place in our market needs, especially bomb-proof ones which will just run and run.
They're now investing heavily in EV tech to catch up, but until they do, they don't want to import a vehicle which isn't seen as on-trend. Which is a shame - hybrids absolutely have a place in our market needs, especially bomb-proof ones which will just run and run.
Ammo84 said:
I agree. Best all rounder.
Yep, I agree. Day to day running on electric, 500 mile range and instant refuelling. 70+ mpg and supercharger rates mean that the EV doesn't even have a cost advantage on a long trip. I love running around locally in an EV but it is still a PITA away from home. Going way off topic but ditching our Model Y would also mean not having to deal with all the Tesla specific cost cutting/tech bro crap.
The 10 year warranty and Toyota reliability even outweighs the supposed low maintenance requirements of the Tesla.
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