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LivLL said:
"Most hot hatch drivers don't generally do long trips"
Anyway, sweeping made up stats aside I agree it's worth waiting for the reviews. I (and I mean just me) don't get it at all.
As most drivers no mater the car type don't generally do long trips I'd suggest that statement is guaranteed to be accurate. 180 miles will be far in advance of how far most cars travel 99.9 of journeys.Anyway, sweeping made up stats aside I agree it's worth waiting for the reviews. I (and I mean just me) don't get it at all.
I'll be staggered if any more than a handful of launch cars cost close to £36k, sounds like a headline grabber to me and nothing more.
The current top of the range car (Trophy Long range) costs £33k with a choice of paint, but they are honestly expected to offer an additional motor, more than twice as much power, bigger wheels/brakes/tyres and numerous other upgrades for <£3k uplift?
It'll be £40k+ in no time, at which point I'd suggest a year old Model Y LR is a far better EV for the same money offering a lot more range for those that need it, lower running costs, more space, better charging infra and similar performance?
LivLL said:
If you want to trade in your X though and get one be my guest. I suspect you’d be disappointed with many aspects of the car.
If the X was still worth trading in I probably wouldn’t dismiss the idea. But given its worth less than the price of a new MG, and I have ‘free’ fuel forever in the X it’s going no where. The MG4 is good EV at a good price, you cannot really say the same about many other EVs on sale at the moment. anonymous said:
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Is that so? I always thought the complete opposite. Not arguing but IME most people I know buy cars that fit 70-80% of their criteria if lucky. I can't think of a car on sale today that would work for me all of the time.
As an aside I like the wheels on that MG4. I'm not a fan of the car entirely but it's a cracking thing for the money.
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It's only crap to you.Your opinion is just that, an opinion and not a fact.
Now you are fully free to buy a car for edge case situations, Many of us are way more pragmatic and get something that works most of the time. I've owned numerous ICE cars and then hired an estate on the very rare occasion i needed to carry 4 of us and load. Also fitted tow bars to small cars rather rather than a bigger car.
We all make our choices to suit our individual situations.
anonymous said:
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Crap?How many drivers do you think do more than 180 miles in a day more than once or twice a year when they go on holiday, and how many don't even do that as they holiday abroad? And the tiny number of drivers doing those mileages regularly almost certainly aren't buying a hot hatch.
If you're basing your purchasing decisions on whether something might be a little awkward to use on an incredibly rare occurrence then you're an idiot.
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You think the majority of people who buy an SUV do so just in case they need the space at some point? And if that was the case, having car that isn't big enough for your needs on rare occasions is significantly more problematic than stopping to charge for 15-30 minutes after 3+ hours of driving?The obsession with range anxiety is driven by EV manufacturers so they can charge ever more for cars with larger and larger batteries and longer ranges that the vast majority simply don't need.
For those who have an MG, or even just visited a dealer, what are the dealers like?
My issue locally is the franchise was taken by a Honda dealer who are the worst dealership I've ever dealt with. They replaced two excellent indie Honda dealers and seemed to go out of their way to be even worse that any of the usual dealer groups.
My issue locally is the franchise was taken by a Honda dealer who are the worst dealership I've ever dealt with. They replaced two excellent indie Honda dealers and seemed to go out of their way to be even worse that any of the usual dealer groups.
Sheepshanks said:
For those who have an MG, or even just visited a dealer, what are the dealers like?
My issue locally is the franchise was taken by a Honda dealer who are the worst dealership I've ever dealt with. They replaced two excellent indie Honda dealers and seemed to go out of their way to be even worse that any of the usual dealer groups.
Mine was the West London one. It's a glorified portacabin in the Honda dealership car park. Folks working there were really good though and very efficient at arranging a test drive and any questions I had. Ultimately I decided the Trophy wasn't just quite there for the price but they were not at all pushy and very pleasant to deal with.My issue locally is the franchise was taken by a Honda dealer who are the worst dealership I've ever dealt with. They replaced two excellent indie Honda dealers and seemed to go out of their way to be even worse that any of the usual dealer groups.
Sheepshanks said:
For those who have an MG, or even just visited a dealer, what are the dealers like?
My issue locally is the franchise was taken by a Honda dealer who are the worst dealership I've ever dealt with. They replaced two excellent indie Honda dealers and seemed to go out of their way to be even worse that any of the usual dealer groups.
On the day I picked mine up I got 100 metres and saw a warning triangle on the display. I went back and waited while they resolved it. They couldn’t as it was an airbag pressed issue. It required them stripping the dash out and speaking withMG Technical. They loaned me an identical car and delivered mine 40 miles to me within 24 hours. I was very impressed.My issue locally is the franchise was taken by a Honda dealer who are the worst dealership I've ever dealt with. They replaced two excellent indie Honda dealers and seemed to go out of their way to be even worse that any of the usual dealer groups.
ChunkyloverSV said:
The obsession with range anxiety is driven by crap infrastructure and the fact that whichever way you slice it the ICE for long journeys is a much better method of propulsion than an EV.
Too many people obsessed with "what if?" scenarios and horror stories about charging which the manufacturers and media play on constantly is what fuels the range anxiety fire.And it all depends on what you consider a long distance? Plenty of EV's now that will do 300 miles to charge, or 5-6 hours of driving in the UK. They'll be more refined, easier to drive and likely considerably cheaper per mile than an ICE alternative so many benefits.
Been driving for 30 years, the last 4 in EV's and done many long trips in both types of car. Despite limited range I'd still pick an EV every time unless we're talking cross continent GT driving. They just need a little more planning in some circumstances.
ChunkyloverSV said:
The obsession with range anxiety is driven by crap infrastructure and the fact that whichever way you slice it the ICE for long journeys is a much better method of propulsion than an EV.
I've done more European driving holidays in our EV than all my previous combustion cars combined.I live 4 miles away from work (I commute on the pedal bike), but have done about 9000 miles in 8 months.
EVs for us have had a perseve effect of making it EASIER to drive MORE than our previous combustion cars. If you belive in 'green' credentials of EVs its pretty mad, and makes EVs utterly pointless.......But luckily I didn't but an EV to be green, so will keep on motoring
.gangzoom said:
ChunkyloverSV said:
The obsession with range anxiety is driven by crap infrastructure and the fact that whichever way you slice it the ICE for long journeys is a much better method of propulsion than an EV.
I've done more European driving holidays in our EV than all my previous combustion cars combined.I live 4 miles away from work (I commute on the pedal bike), but have done about 9000 miles in 8 months.
EVs for us have had a perseve effect of making it EASIER to drive MORE than our previous combustion cars. If you belive in 'green' credentials of EVs its pretty mad, and makes EVs utterly pointless.......But luckily I didn't but an EV to be green, so will keep on motoring
.And like you they're so cheap to run and to enjoy the power that I feel freed from the cost of making full use of an ice car.
I'm also not an eco warrior when it comes to cars. Cars are a passion (I thought that was why we were all on PH...) and a hobby for me.
Nobody on PH would talk to me about hassle and impracticality if I posted to say I had just bought a weird old supercar would they? Yet apparently a new hot hatch with crazy power and torque for less than £40k is stupid, because it's got a limited range.
Just daft. Anyone really worried about range would'nt buy such a car. Those that will, won't give a s
t about the range.SWoll said:
Too many people obsessed with "what if?" scenarios and horror stories about charging which the manufacturers and media play on constantly is what fuels the range anxiety fire.
And it all depends on what you consider a long distance? Plenty of EV's now that will do 300 miles to charge, or 5-6 hours of driving in the UK. They'll be more refined, easier to drive and likely considerably cheaper per mile than an ICE alternative so many benefits.
Been driving for 30 years, the last 4 in EV's and done many long trips in both types of car. Despite limited range I'd still pick an EV every time unless we're talking cross continent GT driving. They just need a little more planning in some circumstances.
There is no avoiding the fact that with a ICE car 5 minutes filling up and you are good for many hundreds of miles. The same cannot be said for an EV. And it all depends on what you consider a long distance? Plenty of EV's now that will do 300 miles to charge, or 5-6 hours of driving in the UK. They'll be more refined, easier to drive and likely considerably cheaper per mile than an ICE alternative so many benefits.
Been driving for 30 years, the last 4 in EV's and done many long trips in both types of car. Despite limited range I'd still pick an EV every time unless we're talking cross continent GT driving. They just need a little more planning in some circumstances.
Not everyone wants to be limited by a couple of hours driving then having to spend an hour charging rinse and repeat.
ChunkyloverSV said:
There is no avoiding the fact that with a ICE car 5 minutes filling up and you are good for many hundreds of miles. The same cannot be said for an EV.
Not everyone wants to be limited by a couple of hours driving then having to spend an hour charging rinse and repeat.
Except of course it's at least 3 if 4 hours before a recharge is necessary if you have chosen the vehicle correctly. After that sort of a time any driver should be having a break anyway.Not everyone wants to be limited by a couple of hours driving then having to spend an hour charging rinse and repeat.
Nomme de Plum said:
ChunkyloverSV said:
There is no avoiding the fact that with a ICE car 5 minutes filling up and you are good for many hundreds of miles. The same cannot be said for an EV.
Not everyone wants to be limited by a couple of hours driving then having to spend an hour charging rinse and repeat.
Except of course it's at least 3 if 4 hours before a recharge is necessary if you have chosen the vehicle correctly. After that sort of a time any driver should be having a break anyway.Not everyone wants to be limited by a couple of hours driving then having to spend an hour charging rinse and repeat.
Wtf... How am I supposed to do 200 miles in the UK without it becoming lunch or dinner time?? And when it is that time.. plug the car in for the time you have to stop for anyway.
The range thing, especially on a tiny island such as ours, is nonsense.
So 1,800kg, 0-60 in 3.8 secs. If it drives well then it will be a bit uncomfortable further up the food chain. Performance is getting completely democratised. This was of course always coming as lots of power is now something that can be added to pretty much any car and by any manufacturer. Perhaps range is the real differentiator (for now) hence all the posts about it and chances are range is more important than the time it takes to hit the speed limit for most people.
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