Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive...
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Tuna said:
That's post-hoc reasoning. Tesla only got to the point of Model 3 production by selling to those who were willing to pay over the odds for a niche product (you can call them early adopters or Marvel fanbois depending on your point of view).
If Tesla had started with the Model 3, the brand would not be viewed the way it currently is.
It's a clean way to get a brand in a market where everyone would have claimed it's neigh-on impossible.If Tesla had started with the Model 3, the brand would not be viewed the way it currently is.
The point is that the next gen of cars (Model 3, Model Y) should be able to turn a profit, if selling to early adopters is the way to go, then I don't see what the problem there would be.
Maybe we should look at VW and scrutinize how they have gotten so big to put the "silicon valley target demographic" approach in perspective, as well as "taxation/the government is helping them out".
The fact to me is that Tesla is at a point where they make an actual compelling offer in the model 3. Like I said, people seem to forget that the BASE price for an A4 diesel with 210 hp is >50k EUR. They've gotten there in little over a decade.
If the other brands don't step up their game in the next 5 years, I'll stick with Tesla. I've owned many brands at many price points, but never have I felt like the car I got is so far beyond anything else I've driven as I do in the Tesla.
hyphen said:
Porsche production line video of Taycan being made, god knows why Tesla had so many issues getting model 3 up to speed, or why Y is taking so long. Making EV's with lots of automation looks easy 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNowAuiTvEE
In comparison to Tesla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNowAuiTvEE
Edited by hyphen on Sunday 6th October 13:14
https://insideevs.com/news/341819/watch-how-a-tesl...
Porsche seem to spend a lot more time on the dipping and painting and smoothing process. Maybe Porsche did that long video as a PR marketing comparison though.
SWoll said:
Heres Johnny said:
This has the potential to be way more than a distraction. Depending on the demographics of those buying teslas this could be a Gerald Ratner moment if the final verdict is particularly harsh and the courts finds him not just of defamation but also of an attempted smear campaign of a ‘cave rescue hero’.
No chance. 99% of Tesla customers won't even be aware of this and as it's got nothing to do with the product (unlike Ratner) they also wouldn't care even if they did hear about it.Edited by Gandahar on Friday 11th October 13:06
In reference to Dyson I currently have a Miele vacuum cleaner, old fashioned with bag, 2000w ... sucks so much the carpet has to be wrestled from it's very jaws .. gets rid of anything even though old fashioned with a bag. Compared to the old Dyson it took 1/4 x as long, as the Dyson did not suck at all.
It was so good it got banned in the EU .. too much wattage even though I spent so little time using is backwards and forwards than a crap other cleaner that took ages to suck anything up.
Fecking EU dumwits
So glad his car never got off the ground.
It was so good it got banned in the EU .. too much wattage even though I spent so little time using is backwards and forwards than a crap other cleaner that took ages to suck anything up.
Fecking EU dumwits
So glad his car never got off the ground.
Edited by Gandahar on Friday 11th October 13:10
Gandahar said:
In reference to Dyson I currently have a Miele vacuum cleaner, old fashioned with bag, 2000w ... sucks so much the carpet has to be wrestled from it's very jaws .. gets rid of anything even though old fashioned with a bag. Compared to the old Dyson it took 1/4 x as long, as the Dyson did not suck at all.
It was so good it got banned in the EU .. too much wattage even though I spent so little time using is backwards and forwards than a crap other cleaner that took ages to suck anything up.
Fecking EU dumwits
So glad his car never got off the ground.
I think their aim was to force manfacturers to find more efficient models with good performance a bit like they did with cars, but look where that ended up.It was so good it got banned in the EU .. too much wattage even though I spent so little time using is backwards and forwards than a crap other cleaner that took ages to suck anything up.
Fecking EU dumwits
So glad his car never got off the ground.
Edited by Gandahar on Friday 11th October 13:10
ZesPak said:
Tuna said:
That's post-hoc reasoning. Tesla only got to the point of Model 3 production by selling to those who were willing to pay over the odds for a niche product (you can call them early adopters or Marvel fanbois depending on your point of view).
If Tesla had started with the Model 3, the brand would not be viewed the way it currently is.
It's a clean way to get a brand in a market where everyone would have claimed it's neigh-on impossible.If Tesla had started with the Model 3, the brand would not be viewed the way it currently is.
The point is that the next gen of cars (Model 3, Model Y) should be able to turn a profit, if selling to early adopters is the way to go, then I don't see what the problem there would be.
Maybe we should look at VW and scrutinize how they have gotten so big to put the "silicon valley target demographic" approach in perspective, as well as "taxation/the government is helping them out".
The fact to me is that Tesla is at a point where they make an actual compelling offer in the model 3. Like I said, people seem to forget that the BASE price for an A4 diesel with 210 hp is >50k EUR. They've gotten there in little over a decade.
If the other brands don't step up their game in the next 5 years, I'll stick with Tesla. I've owned many brands at many price points, but never have I felt like the car I got is so far beyond anything else I've driven as I do in the Tesla.
Sedan v crossover ?
New v old?
ZesPak said:
It's a clean way to get a brand in a market where everyone would have claimed it's neigh-on impossible.
The point is that the next gen of cars (Model 3, Model Y) should be able to turn a profit, if selling to early adopters is the way to go, then I don't see what the problem there would be.
Maybe we should look at VW and scrutinize how they have gotten so big to put the "silicon valley target demographic" approach in perspective, as well as "taxation/the government is helping them out".
The fact to me is that Tesla is at a point where they make an actual compelling offer in the model 3. Like I said, people seem to forget that the BASE price for an A4 diesel with 210 hp is >50k EUR. They've gotten there in little over a decade.
If the other brands don't step up their game in the next 5 years, I'll stick with Tesla. I've owned many brands at many price points, but never have I felt like the car I got is so far beyond anything else I've driven as I do in the Tesla.
couple of reasons for that, firstly its better technology so usually it's better and more importantly the direct sales model in theory means you get a better car for the moneyThe point is that the next gen of cars (Model 3, Model Y) should be able to turn a profit, if selling to early adopters is the way to go, then I don't see what the problem there would be.
Maybe we should look at VW and scrutinize how they have gotten so big to put the "silicon valley target demographic" approach in perspective, as well as "taxation/the government is helping them out".
The fact to me is that Tesla is at a point where they make an actual compelling offer in the model 3. Like I said, people seem to forget that the BASE price for an A4 diesel with 210 hp is >50k EUR. They've gotten there in little over a decade.
If the other brands don't step up their game in the next 5 years, I'll stick with Tesla. I've owned many brands at many price points, but never have I felt like the car I got is so far beyond anything else I've driven as I do in the Tesla.
ZesPak said:
If the other brands don't step up their game in the next 5 years, I'll stick with Tesla. I've owned many brands at many price points, but never have I felt like the car I got is so far beyond anything else I've driven as I do in the Tesla.
When most people say that Tesla is the best car they have ever had, they mostly appear to mean 'EV' rather than Tesla itself.That the characteristics of an EV is more suited to daily driving I.e. the acceleration and the lack of going through gears, clutches and so on.
It's not the styling and design, or loyalty to the brand. Or the gimmicks, they see a good EV and that they prefer it for daily driving.
Would you agree?
hyphen said:
When most people say that Tesla is the best car they have ever had, they mostly don't mean that the Tesla is the best car they have had, but that the characteristics of an EV is more suited to daily driving I.e. the acceleration and the lack of going through gears, clutches and so on.
It's not the styling and design, or loyalty to the brand. Or may of ten gimmicks, they see a good EV and that they prefer it for daily driving.
Would you agree?
its the best car i have ever owned, nothing i have purchased can touch the ride, handing, turn in It's not the styling and design, or loyalty to the brand. Or may of ten gimmicks, they see a good EV and that they prefer it for daily driving.
Would you agree?
that's why i took a massive gamble on getting one and just hope they dont go bust lol
hyphen said:
When most people say that Tesla is the best car they have ever had, they mostly appear to mean 'EV' rather than Tesla itself.
That the characteristics of an EV is more suited to daily driving I.e. the acceleration and the lack of going through gears, clutches and so on.
It's not the styling and design, or loyalty to the brand. Or the gimmicks, they see a good EV and that they prefer it for daily driving.
Would you agree?
To them Tesla=EV like Hoover=Vacuum Cleaner.That the characteristics of an EV is more suited to daily driving I.e. the acceleration and the lack of going through gears, clutches and so on.
It's not the styling and design, or loyalty to the brand. Or the gimmicks, they see a good EV and that they prefer it for daily driving.
Would you agree?
It's because there aren't many other options for the money right now.
Dave Hedgehog said:
its the best car i have ever owned, nothing i have purchased can touch the ride, handing, turn in
that's why i took a massive gamble on getting one and just hope they dont go bust lol
But is that Tesla or ev?that's why i took a massive gamble on getting one and just hope they dont go bust lol
Remove engine from front, add weight along bottom and naturally handling and ride will be easier for any car company to tune.
jamoor said:
To them Tesla=EV like Hoover=Vacuum Cleaner.
It's because there aren't many other options for the money right now.
I do wonder how repeat buyers Tesla will have when the competition has arrived on mass. It's because there aren't many other options for the money right now.
The 3's interior doesn't have Audi's virtual cockpit and so on, the exterior doesn't have a design you would turn around for.
At least X has the cool doors.
hyphen said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
its the best car i have ever owned, nothing i have purchased can touch the ride, handing, turn in
that's why i took a massive gamble on getting one and just hope they dont go bust lol
But is that Tesla or ev?that's why i took a massive gamble on getting one and just hope they dont go bust lol
Remove engine from front, add weight along bottom and naturally handling and ride will be easier for any car company to tune.
not driven any other EVs, i do fancy a drive in the e Mini, if they can make that as fun as the normal cooper it should be a hoot with instant torque
hyphen said:
Jag signed a contract with Magna Steyr to make the iPace for them.
Dyson could have licensed a platform and farmed out production to another company, bought in the batteries and other parts, and just concentrated on having the best motors and design.
Dyson likes end to end control too so working that way would be new for him.
But would still be running a loss for many years, and so I think Dyson doesn't want to mortgage everything & spend other people's money I think, as he could lose the company he founded and has his name on it. And
He appears to have got carried away, buying those homes in Singapore,making plans for factories and so on.
Then his financial director finally got Dyson into that meeting he had been after a while, and he had to come back down to earth.
Surely if you want to build a complete turn key EV then mortgaging everything & spend other people's money is the way to go. Even at the risk of losing the company.Dyson could have licensed a platform and farmed out production to another company, bought in the batteries and other parts, and just concentrated on having the best motors and design.
Dyson likes end to end control too so working that way would be new for him.
But would still be running a loss for many years, and so I think Dyson doesn't want to mortgage everything & spend other people's money I think, as he could lose the company he founded and has his name on it. And
He appears to have got carried away, buying those homes in Singapore,making plans for factories and so on.
Then his financial director finally got Dyson into that meeting he had been after a while, and he had to come back down to earth.
Edited by hyphen on Friday 11th October 09:37
hyphen said:
When most people say that Tesla is the best car they have ever had, they mostly appear to mean 'EV' rather than Tesla itself.
Not completely.As far as I know, no one adds functionality over the life of the car like Tesla does.
The infotainment is incredible, all the options are there (albeit expensive).
The cars are incredibly fast, apparently this is "because EV" yet the i pace and e tron have a hard time keeping up with the slowest Teslas.
And all of that is before the SuC network, which makes traveling Europe a breeze.
hyphen said:
I do wonder how repeat buyers Tesla will have when the competition has arrived on mass.
The 3's interior doesn't have Audi's virtual cockpit and so on, the exterior doesn't have a design you would turn around for.
Please, elaborate "and so on".The 3's interior doesn't have Audi's virtual cockpit and so on, the exterior doesn't have a design you would turn around for.
Audi's interface, whatever hip name they gave it, has nothing on the Tesla.
I like a smooth interface on a big screen. Tesla delivers in spades.
And "when the competition arrives"... that happened, didn't it? VAG delivers 2 electric developed cars: one is way to expensive, slow and doesn't have the range to keep up, the other one is absurdly expensive and doesn't have the range to keep up because it's track focused.
Again, like I said, they have 5 years for me to come up with something new and better, but it's looking grim tbh.
Edited by ZesPak on Friday 11th October 15:18
This thread has been saying 'when competition arrives Tesla are done for!' for 2 years now.
Competition has arrived. It's done absolutely nothing to Tesla aside from show how advanced Tesla are in terms of economy/range and how damned good the Tesla infotainment system is.
Just look at the Jag infotainment system... how did they ever think that laggy piece of crap was acceptable.
Now just look at the cheaper competition, it looks like s
t. I'm getting a Tesla because they are fast and cool looking. Oh and they just happen to not poison my local area.
Competition has arrived. It's done absolutely nothing to Tesla aside from show how advanced Tesla are in terms of economy/range and how damned good the Tesla infotainment system is.
Just look at the Jag infotainment system... how did they ever think that laggy piece of crap was acceptable.
Now just look at the cheaper competition, it looks like s
t. I'm getting a Tesla because they are fast and cool looking. Oh and they just happen to not poison my local area.
Dave Hedgehog said:
hyphen said:
When most people say that Tesla is the best car they have ever had, they mostly don't mean that the Tesla is the best car they have had, but that the characteristics of an EV is more suited to daily driving I.e. the acceleration and the lack of going through gears, clutches and so on.
It's not the styling and design, or loyalty to the brand. Or may of ten gimmicks, they see a good EV and that they prefer it for daily driving.
Would you agree?
its the best car i have ever owned, nothing i have purchased can touch the ride, handing, turn in It's not the styling and design, or loyalty to the brand. Or may of ten gimmicks, they see a good EV and that they prefer it for daily driving.
Would you agree?
that's why i took a massive gamble on getting one and just hope they dont go bust lol
Toaster said:
Caterham is the best car I have had for turn in the Evora is a close second.....I suspect Porsche drivers may have something to say as well
hence why i said THAT I HAVE OWNED, do keep upits hardly amazing that a track toy at a qtr of the weight of a road car designed to fit 12 year olds is massively more focused to drive
jjwilde said:
This thread has been saying 'when competition arrives Tesla are done for!' for 2 years now.
Competition has arrived. It's done absolutely nothing to Tesla aside from show how advanced Tesla are in terms of economy/range and how damned good the Tesla infotainment system is.
Just look at the Jag infotainment system... how did they ever think that laggy piece of crap was acceptable.
Now just look at the cheaper competition, it looks like st. I'm getting a Tesla because they are fast and cool looking. Oh and they just happen to not poison my local area.
Sure I said before I'd be amazed if the Dyson car ever happened. Hardly a TKO for Tesla.Competition has arrived. It's done absolutely nothing to Tesla aside from show how advanced Tesla are in terms of economy/range and how damned good the Tesla infotainment system is.
Just look at the Jag infotainment system... how did they ever think that laggy piece of crap was acceptable.
Now just look at the cheaper competition, it looks like s
t. I'm getting a Tesla because they are fast and cool looking. Oh and they just happen to not poison my local area.Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff