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DonkeyApple said:

98elise said:

DonkeyApple said:

Bullet proof glass that isn’t bulletproof?

Shoot a gun at bulletproof glass and you may be shocked to see what it looks like

Weirdly, I had a job one summer as a teenager doing exactly this! A friend of the family ran a body armour and general protection business and I was at the range most days practicing so wrangled getting paid to shoot at ceramics, kevlars, steel and glass at the same time.

I also remember something the owner said which was that there was no such thing as bullet proof, just degrees of resistance.

DonkeyApple, love your responses and they are just so right don't stop

[hyphen]

98elise said:

DonkeyApple said:

Bullet proof glass that isn’t bulletproof?

Shoot a gun at bulletproof glass and you may be shocked to see what it looks like

How would a gentle throw of a metal ball by hand, from close distance, look like on bullet proof glass?

[DonkeyApple]

hyphen said:

How would a gentle throw of a metal ball by hand, from close distance, look like on bullet proof glass?

You’d need to reference the seminal work of Iris Marion Young.

The real issue with Buck Roger’s passion wagon is that while the occupant was defiling Tweeky the vehicle wouldn’t be able to defend against a native armed with a mango.

[SWoll]

Dave Hedgehog said:

SWoll said:

This is why I would never have committed to an EV without the ability to charge at home. Knowing I'll have 150 miles every morning 'just in case' makes the limited range compared to ICE workable when you can't just quickly add 100+ miles at a petrol station.

That i agree with, it would not work for me without a home 32amp charging point, i cant see me ever using a fast charger thou

I use them when out shopping as get free Polar with Evezy and have a local 50kWh. Will probably do the same quite regularly with the Model 3 when it arrives and occasional supercharge on longer trips.

[Burwood]

DonkeyApple said:

A Yamaha quadbike?

was that a Yamaha with a Tesla style pack?

[DonkeyApple]

Burwood said:

DonkeyApple said:

A Yamaha quadbike?

was that a Yamaha with a Tesla style pack?

According to Goebbels’ family friendly propaganda network, Fox, it is.

[ZesPak]

Dave Hedgehog said:

SWoll said:

This is why I would never have committed to an EV without the ability to charge at home. Knowing I'll have 150 miles every morning 'just in case' makes the limited range compared to ICE workable when you can't just quickly add 100+ miles at a petrol station.

That i agree with, it would not work for me without a home 32amp charging point, i cant see me ever using a fast charger thou

Fully agree, two important factors:

1. can you charge at home
2. can you do your daily trip with the autonomy

If either is negative, I wouldn't even consider it.

[LG9k]

SWoll said:

As it takes about 30 seconds to plug the car in keeping it topped up seems a worthwhile thing to do. The issue with letting it get too low before charging is what happens if something out of the ordinary requires you to do a longer journey?

This is why I would never have committed to an EV without the ability to charge at home. Knowing I'll have 150 miles every morning 'just in case' makes the limited range compared to ICE workable when you can't just quickly add 100+ miles at a petrol station.

So, a minute spent connecting and disconnecting each day = 7 minutes a week. I spend less time than that filling up.

The "what if something happens" question sums up what is still perceived as a problem for lots of people.

With an ICE car, you don't have to worry about that.

Having said that, as an owner of a driveway, I would be happy to get an electric car if there was one which met my requirements and budget. At the moment, there isn't.

[SWoll]

LG9k said:

SWoll said:

As it takes about 30 seconds to plug the car in keeping it topped up seems a worthwhile thing to do. The issue with letting it get too low before charging is what happens if something out of the ordinary requires you to do a longer journey?

This is why I would never have committed to an EV without the ability to charge at home. Knowing I'll have 150 miles every morning 'just in case' makes the limited range compared to ICE workable when you can't just quickly add 100+ miles at a petrol station.

So, a minute spent connecting and disconnecting each day = 7 minutes a week. I spend less time than that filling up.

The "what if something happens" question sums up what is still perceived as a problem for lots of people.

With an ICE car, you don't have to worry about that.

Having said that, as an owner of a driveway, I would be happy to get an electric car if there was one which met my requirements and budget. At the moment, there isn't.

I assume you have a petrol station on your drive and have never needed to wait in a queue for a pump or at the counter to pay? I've done both ICE and EV over a decent time period and home charging is far more convenient for me at least.

Be interested in hearing your requirements and budget as appreciate they aren't for everyone.

[Heres Johnny]

LG9k said:

SWoll said:

As it takes about 30 seconds to plug the car in keeping it topped up seems a worthwhile thing to do. The issue with letting it get too low before charging is what happens if something out of the ordinary requires you to do a longer journey?

This is why I would never have committed to an EV without the ability to charge at home. Knowing I'll have 150 miles every morning 'just in case' makes the limited range compared to ICE workable when you can't just quickly add 100+ miles at a petrol station.

So, a minute spent connecting and disconnecting each day = 7 minutes a week. I spend less time than that filling up.

The "what if something happens" question sums up what is still perceived as a problem for lots of people.

With an ICE car, you don't have to worry about that.

Having said that, as an owner of a driveway, I would be happy to get an electric car if there was one which met my requirements and budget. At the moment, there isn't.

I charge twice a week at home - 2 mins - gives me about 400 miles.

Takes longer than that to walk to the counter and pay at a petrol station.

But then every now and again, maybe once a month, I'll need to spend 40 mins at a super charger.

But tthen again - my fuel bill is now maybe £25 a month for a thousand miles or so. Compared to an ICE which at 40mpg would be £125 I'm £100 up on the deal. £100 for 40 mins work - average person works 220 days a year, 8 hours a day - thats equiv to a £264k salary after tax. Damn - I should supercharge more often and pay somebiody to go and do it for me - I'd still be much better off

[jamoor]

LG9k said:

jamoor said:

Poor advert and fuelling the misconception about electric cars. They are telling the public that it’s like a petrol car where you brim it and wait to deplete and then back to full again whereas an electric car is charged at home every night, it’s not an activity in itself like filling a car is.

Why does it need to be charged every night?

I do about 400 miles each month. A charge once a week would be plenty on a Zoe.

Charging every night would take more time than filling the car with fuel once a month.

Plugging it in every day is one of the reasons you get an electric car, it fills up while you sleep and it’s always charged and ready to go.

[jamoor]

DonkeyApple said:

jamoor said:

hyphen said:

Heard a Renault Zoe advert on the radio just now. "The average commute in the UK takes x miles, the range of Zoe is x miles, you won't need to charge it for a week in normal use"

Nice and sensible products aimed for the mass market.

Poor advert and fuelling the misconception about electric cars. They are telling the public that it’s like a petrol car where you brim it and wait to deplete and then back to full again whereas an electric car is charged at home every night, it’s not an activity in itself like filling a car is.

Not necessarily as it’s a brand that is more synonymous with a customer who sits in that 50% of UK households who don’t have domestic charging capabilities. With the impending BIK change the Zoe will want to be on all the big fleet lists and so taking the marketing approach of trying to highlight that you can go EV even if you don’t have home charging makes sense.

The premium brands don’t need to make that message and would have zero benefit from doing so as their core customers are arguably in the other 50% who do have home charging capabilities and so fall into the usage that you suggest.

The likes of Ford and all the other brands that sell affordable vehicles will need to tap that 50% who can’t home charge if they want to sell as many units as possible. These consumers will need anproduct that doesn’t need charging every day and can be charged at work or when spending their weekend worshiping their god at the retail temples.

This is far more important than the adoption of big, fat premium EV for the affluent if we want to consider the environmental hope of EVs as we want as many conventional commuters and utility box users to understand as clearly as possible if they and therefor all of us, can benefit from switching over to EV.

It’s still poor form IMO they shouldn’t advertise this to people without a driveway until the solution for charging it is as good as but preferably better than what they use now.


My charging solution at home is superior to anything I had in a petrol car.

[ZesPak]

In some cities in the Netherlands there's plenty of street parking with chargers. The electricity is there and the cost isn't that big.

[98elise]

hyphen said:

98elise said:

DonkeyApple said:

Bullet proof glass that isn’t bulletproof?

Shoot a gun at bulletproof glass and you may be shocked to see what it looks like

How would a gentle throw of a metal ball by hand, from close distance, look like on bullet proof glass?

If you can give me the weight and speed of the ball I'll do the calculations

[Heres Johnny]

ZesPak said:

In some cities in the Netherlands there's plenty of street parking with chargers. The electricity is there and the cost isn't that big.

They're doing trials in parts of London with charging off streetlights and cars parked in the street - I say trial - they've been doing it for a few years.

They're all just problems that takes a bit of creative thinking to solve and nothing to do with Tesla, more to do with EVs in general.

[98elise]

DonkeyApple said:

98elise said:

DonkeyApple said:

Bullet proof glass that isn’t bulletproof?

Shoot a gun at bulletproof glass and you may be shocked to see what it looks like

Weirdly, I had a job one summer as a teenager doing exactly this! A friend of the family ran a body armour and general protection business and I was at the range most days practicing so wrangled getting paid to shoot at ceramics, kevlars, steel and glass at the same time.

I also remember something the owner said which was that there was no such thing as bullet proof, just degrees of resistance.

Possibly when talking about body armour, but I would disagree that nothing is bullet proof. I've been on ships with 16 inches of armour plating and I can assure you they are bullet proof

[skwdenyer]

SWoll said:

LG9k said:

jamoor said:

Poor advert and fuelling the misconception about electric cars. They are telling the public that it’s like a petrol car where you brim it and wait to deplete and then back to full again whereas an electric car is charged at home every night, it’s not an activity in itself like filling a car is.

Why does it need to be charged every night?

I do about 400 miles each month. A charge once a week would be plenty on a Zoe.

Charging every night would take more time than filling the car with fuel once a month.

As it takes about 30 seconds to plug the car in keeping it topped up seems a worthwhile thing to do. The issue with letting it get too low before charging is what happens if something out of the ordinary requires you to do a longer journey?

This is why I would never have committed to an EV without the ability to charge at home. Knowing I'll have 150 miles every morning 'just in case' makes the limited range compared to ICE workable when you can't just quickly add 100+ miles at a petrol station.

A great many, possibly most, urban potential customers have on-street parking, not driveways... Plugging-in nightly isn't necessarily an option.

[RichardM5]

98elise said:

Possibly when talking about body armour, but I would disagree that nothing is bullet proof. I've been on ships with 16 inches of armour plating and I can assure you they are bullet proof

Depends on the size of the bullet

[DonkeyApple]

Heres Johnny said:

They're doing trials in parts of London with charging off streetlights and cars parked in the street - I say trial - they've been doing it for a few years.

They're all just problems that takes a bit of creative thinking to solve and nothing to do with Tesla, more to do with EVs in general.

Indeed. Electricity is ubiquitous. And there’s no shortage of money from enterprise. There just aren’t any customers so there’s no profit to be had which means just like Tesla, someone else needs to pay for the first load of infrastructure. It’ll be retail car parks first on the commercial side but generally the number of chargers is simply going to increase at pace with the number of consumers.

[hyphen]

DonkeyApple said:

Indeed. Electricity is ubiquitous.

Then why is Tesla in the USA deploying mobile superchargers powered by batteries on trailers so they can cope with Christmas demand

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-deploys-mobile-sup...