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Looking to replace my work horse.
Currently I do 35 miles to work and 35 miles home a day. This is 90% motorway, 5% dual carriageway and 5% city. So that's 60 miles at least on the motorway at motorway speeds.
We do go on staycations, no more than really 150 miles away, which is at least twice a year but can be 4 times a year if not more when family is home.
I can't charge at home as it stands but would buy a charger if needed.
I'd be looking at used for my budget £18k tops. I'm not over bother by mileage on a car as I go on condition as long as it isn't mega miles.
Would I be best going for a full EV like 2021 Tesla M3LR or going for a petrol hybrid either non-plug or plug-in?
I don't want diesel as I can't be bother with the dpf/egr issues which might be around. I've been lucky with my current diesel as I were able to read the ecu at the time of purchase.
Currently I do 35 miles to work and 35 miles home a day. This is 90% motorway, 5% dual carriageway and 5% city. So that's 60 miles at least on the motorway at motorway speeds.
We do go on staycations, no more than really 150 miles away, which is at least twice a year but can be 4 times a year if not more when family is home.
I can't charge at home as it stands but would buy a charger if needed.
I'd be looking at used for my budget £18k tops. I'm not over bother by mileage on a car as I go on condition as long as it isn't mega miles.
Would I be best going for a full EV like 2021 Tesla M3LR or going for a petrol hybrid either non-plug or plug-in?
I don't want diesel as I can't be bother with the dpf/egr issues which might be around. I've been lucky with my current diesel as I were able to read the ecu at the time of purchase.
As a household with both an EV (Model 3 Performance) and a PHEV (Passat GTE), I would say that you should opt for an EV if the range means you won’t be doing any public charging during most of your usage. Occasionally relying on public charging for holidays isn’t typically a problem, and sticking to the Supercharger network keeps the costs relatively reasonable also.
The PHEV, whilst a nice car and for us mainly used as an EV for 80-90% of daily driving, essentially has the compromises of both an ICE and an EV, without being perfect at either.
With regards to getting a charger if need’s be, you might be OK on the 3-pin assuming you are on a tariff that isn’t going to be too restrictive on time of use (Ovo anytime for example).
The PHEV, whilst a nice car and for us mainly used as an EV for 80-90% of daily driving, essentially has the compromises of both an ICE and an EV, without being perfect at either.
With regards to getting a charger if need’s be, you might be OK on the 3-pin assuming you are on a tariff that isn’t going to be too restrictive on time of use (Ovo anytime for example).
paradigital said:
As a household with both an EV (Model 3 Performance) and a PHEV (Passat GTE), I would say that you should opt for an EV if the range means you won’t be doing any public charging during most of your usage. Occasionally relying on public charging for holidays isn’t typically a problem, and sticking to the Supercharger network keeps the costs relatively reasonable also.
The PHEV, whilst a nice car and for us mainly used as an EV for 80-90% of daily driving, essentially has the compromises of both an ICE and an EV, without being perfect at either.
With regards to getting a charger if need’s be, you might be OK on the 3-pin assuming you are on a tariff that isn’t going to be too restrictive on time of use (Ovo anytime for example).
We are currently with Octopus on one of their standard tarrifs. My partner works at home now full time. The PHEV, whilst a nice car and for us mainly used as an EV for 80-90% of daily driving, essentially has the compromises of both an ICE and an EV, without being perfect at either.
With regards to getting a charger if need’s be, you might be OK on the 3-pin assuming you are on a tariff that isn’t going to be too restrictive on time of use (Ovo anytime for example).
I was thinking that a 3 pin might do as that should cover my 70 miles a day maybe a little more.
That definitely sounds like a full EV use-case to me, as you'd make good use of the battery range without needing to go beyond it. An £18k plug-in hybrid won't do anything like 70 miles on electricity, so a full EV will be a lot cheaper to fuel, as well as maintain.
There are plenty of options for a 150 mile range EV in budget.
A three pin charger will take 10-12 hours to add 70 miles of range, so would work and is a decent starting point.
However, the normal 'dual rate' electricity tariffs give about five hours cheap rate overnight, so that wouldn't be enough on a three-pin charger. To take advantage of a cheap rate you can either get a 7kW charger installed (which would take about 3 hours), or potentially get an EV which is compatible with Intelligent Octopus (which the Tesla I think is), which then will potentially give you the cheap rate for the whole ten hours the car's charging on the three-pin, for the whole house
There are plenty of options for a 150 mile range EV in budget.
A three pin charger will take 10-12 hours to add 70 miles of range, so would work and is a decent starting point.
However, the normal 'dual rate' electricity tariffs give about five hours cheap rate overnight, so that wouldn't be enough on a three-pin charger. To take advantage of a cheap rate you can either get a 7kW charger installed (which would take about 3 hours), or potentially get an EV which is compatible with Intelligent Octopus (which the Tesla I think is), which then will potentially give you the cheap rate for the whole ten hours the car's charging on the three-pin, for the whole house
samoht said:
That definitely sounds like a full EV use-case to me, as you'd make good use of the battery range without needing to go beyond it. An £18k plug-in hybrid won't do anything like 70 miles on electricity, so a full EV will be a lot cheaper to fuel, as well as maintain.
There are plenty of options for a 150 mile range EV in budget.
A three pin charger will take 10-12 hours to add 70 miles of range, so would work and is a decent starting point.
However, the normal 'dual rate' electricity tariffs give about five hours cheap rate overnight, so that wouldn't be enough on a three-pin charger. To take advantage of a cheap rate you can either get a 7kW charger installed (which would take about 3 hours), or potentially get an EV which is compatible with Intelligent Octopus (which the Tesla I think is), which then will potentially give you the cheap rate for the whole ten hours the car's charging on the three-pin, for the whole house
I was thinking that an EV would be the best option. I don't mind paying out for a proper charger. They can be got for less than £800 these days.There are plenty of options for a 150 mile range EV in budget.
A three pin charger will take 10-12 hours to add 70 miles of range, so would work and is a decent starting point.
However, the normal 'dual rate' electricity tariffs give about five hours cheap rate overnight, so that wouldn't be enough on a three-pin charger. To take advantage of a cheap rate you can either get a 7kW charger installed (which would take about 3 hours), or potentially get an EV which is compatible with Intelligent Octopus (which the Tesla I think is), which then will potentially give you the cheap rate for the whole ten hours the car's charging on the three-pin, for the whole house
My main issue is the range of an EV at motorway speeds and in these cold temperatures. I'm fully expecting that a used M3LR would be around 320miles in warmer temps and around 250miles in these cold temperatures.
Tindersticks said:
According to the EV database for an M3LR of the age you’re looking at:
Real Range
between 205 - 410 mi
City - Cold Weather 270 mi
Highway - Cold Weather 205 mi
Combined - Cold Weather 235 mi
City - Mild Weather 410 mi
Highway - Mild Weather 265 mi
Combined - Mild Weather 330 mi
I’d say the cold weather highway figure is a bit pessimistic, I get more than that without really trying out of my Perf, and they are less efficient due to the wheels.Real Range
between 205 - 410 mi
City - Cold Weather 270 mi
Highway - Cold Weather 205 mi
Combined - Cold Weather 235 mi
City - Mild Weather 410 mi
Highway - Mild Weather 265 mi
Combined - Mild Weather 330 mi
paradigital said:
Tindersticks said:
According to the EV database for an M3LR of the age you’re looking at:
Real Range
between 205 - 410 mi
City - Cold Weather 270 mi
Highway - Cold Weather 205 mi
Combined - Cold Weather 235 mi
City - Mild Weather 410 mi
Highway - Mild Weather 265 mi
Combined - Mild Weather 330 mi
I’d say the cold weather highway figure is a bit pessimistic, I get more than that without really trying out of my Perf, and they are less efficient due to the wheels.Real Range
between 205 - 410 mi
City - Cold Weather 270 mi
Highway - Cold Weather 205 mi
Combined - Cold Weather 235 mi
City - Mild Weather 410 mi
Highway - Mild Weather 265 mi
Combined - Mild Weather 330 mi
It’s based on flipping cold, rarely seen here!
“ Indication of real-world range in several situations. Cold weather: 'worst-case' based on -10°C and use of heating”
Even if the figures are that low it's not that much of a deal breaker. It's not like I travel that far during the low temperatures we've had.
It's mostly the motorway miles that I'm thinking about. It's got to be decent enough that if I forgot to charge up one night, then I'd still be able to get to work and back.
It's mostly the motorway miles that I'm thinking about. It's got to be decent enough that if I forgot to charge up one night, then I'd still be able to get to work and back.
Had exactly this thought a couple of months back and ended up in an enyaq.
At your budget you will get nowhere near your Full commute on EV alone so you will simply be improving your mpg in a phev.
Newer phev will get closer but will be out of your price range.
You'll be plugging in every night and any pay back on getting a charger installed will take forever and a 3 pin will be a right faff....
BEV or mild hybrid I reckon.
At your budget you will get nowhere near your Full commute on EV alone so you will simply be improving your mpg in a phev.
Newer phev will get closer but will be out of your price range.
You'll be plugging in every night and any pay back on getting a charger installed will take forever and a 3 pin will be a right faff....
BEV or mild hybrid I reckon.
Ankh87 said:
Looking to replace my work horse.
Currently I do 35 miles to work and 35 miles home a day. This is 90% motorway, 5% dual carriageway and 5% city. So that's 60 miles at least on the motorway at motorway speeds.
We do go on staycations, no more than really 150 miles away, which is at least twice a year but can be 4 times a year if not more when family is home.
I can't charge at home as it stands but would buy a charger if needed.
I'd be looking at used for my budget £18k tops. I'm not over bother by mileage on a car as I go on condition as long as it isn't mega miles.
Would I be best going for a full EV like 2021 Tesla M3LR or going for a petrol hybrid either non-plug or plug-in?
I don't want diesel as I can't be bother with the dpf/egr issues which might be around. I've been lucky with my current diesel as I were able to read the ecu at the time of purchase.
DPF issues are thing of the past and anyway would not happen with the amount of motorway use you have. Anyway a hybrid does not really help as your simply going to be shipping a flat battery around for a noticeable amount of time.Currently I do 35 miles to work and 35 miles home a day. This is 90% motorway, 5% dual carriageway and 5% city. So that's 60 miles at least on the motorway at motorway speeds.
We do go on staycations, no more than really 150 miles away, which is at least twice a year but can be 4 times a year if not more when family is home.
I can't charge at home as it stands but would buy a charger if needed.
I'd be looking at used for my budget £18k tops. I'm not over bother by mileage on a car as I go on condition as long as it isn't mega miles.
Would I be best going for a full EV like 2021 Tesla M3LR or going for a petrol hybrid either non-plug or plug-in?
I don't want diesel as I can't be bother with the dpf/egr issues which might be around. I've been lucky with my current diesel as I were able to read the ecu at the time of purchase.
Not being able to charge at home is going to make a EV more expensive than it needs be and a bit of a bind too.
I’d say it’s an absolute no brainer to go full EV with that use case and circumstances. Might as well get a 7kW charger at some point too. EVs aren’t going away so it will become an expected item for a house to have over time much like a decent broadband connection has become. It’ll likely last you for many car’s worth of use too, so amortising against just one vehicle’s life with you is probably being on the pessimistic side. Our first charger is three years old next month and has no issues. Touch wood it will keep going a fair while longer yet.
I don't do frech cars at all after my past experience with them. Otherwise that might have been an option.
At the moment I don't have a charger at home but I can get one as I do have a drive so it's not a problem. Plus I can charge up at work at a discounted rate of 23p, that's a standard rate for electricity they've said.
I understand that buying used, I'm not going to get anywhere near the claimed figures and even seeing say 300 miles in a M3LR would be possible best outcome.
My main issue is that if I went EV, my car is the main car of the household so it has to work. We use it for the holidays and going the majority of places, minus the school run as the Mrs car is smaller and easier to park up. Also I'm wanting to keep the car a long time, at least 5 years if not longer.
At the moment I don't have a charger at home but I can get one as I do have a drive so it's not a problem. Plus I can charge up at work at a discounted rate of 23p, that's a standard rate for electricity they've said.
I understand that buying used, I'm not going to get anywhere near the claimed figures and even seeing say 300 miles in a M3LR would be possible best outcome.
My main issue is that if I went EV, my car is the main car of the household so it has to work. We use it for the holidays and going the majority of places, minus the school run as the Mrs car is smaller and easier to park up. Also I'm wanting to keep the car a long time, at least 5 years if not longer.
Ankh87 said:
I don't do frech cars at all after my past experience with them. Otherwise that might have been an option.
That's fair enough as a bad experience can have a long lasting impact. What happened? What car?I don't actually think there is such a thing as a French car. It's an industry with global suppliers and cars are massively benchmarked against each other.
Personally I think a good PHEV is a great option if it's needed for your use case. In this instance EV makes much more sense for what you need.
I'm half looking for an EV around the same price bracket, but there really is not much that's appealing outside of the Model 3. Jaguar I Pace maybe?
Discounting French really doesn't leave many other options. VW ID range have notoriously bad infotainment, if you can live with that then maybe an option? Mini is too small I'm guessing, you almost certainly doesn't want an MG!
Personally I don't like the Model 3 so considering a Model S, but then you are looking at older higher mileage examples.
I'm half looking for an EV around the same price bracket, but there really is not much that's appealing outside of the Model 3. Jaguar I Pace maybe?
Discounting French really doesn't leave many other options. VW ID range have notoriously bad infotainment, if you can live with that then maybe an option? Mini is too small I'm guessing, you almost certainly doesn't want an MG!
Personally I don't like the Model 3 so considering a Model S, but then you are looking at older higher mileage examples.
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