Cost of installation of comercial / rapid charge units
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We have been quoted an eye watering amount of money to install two commercial rapid charging units at work to support a fleet of 6 - 8 EVs. I don't know the detailed spec or name of the units as I haven't seen the written quote yet, but as I understand it they should do 1 rapid charge (30 min to 80%) & 1 "domestic" slow charge (4 hrs to 80%) off each "box".
Does anyone have a feel for how much these should cost on the open market?
Does anyone have a feel for how much these should cost on the open market?
Sorry guys, I had completely missed that there had been responses to this, thanks so much for what you've all said so far.
To answer the questions & to provide some further clarification:
1. We will have a fleet of 8 Nissan Leaf (2nd gen) cars and 1 - 2 Nissan Pathfinders, replacing a fleet of Fiesta vans and a Landrover Discovery. There will also be a couple of minibuses / MPVs, if Tesla ever launch their MPV.
2. We've had a 1st gen Leaf on trial for a fortnight and put it to work on the Fiesta fleet duties. We found that although mileage is local journeys, with rotating beacons & driver "comfort" ancillaries etc it needed a 30 minute charge at least once per shift. This can be tied in with a 30 minute dwell at the home base whilst parts / people and paperwork is collected for the next trip. These trips are sufficiently staggered that the full fleet will have time in their working day to cycle through the 2 rapid chargers with no queuing.
The Pathfinder will charge overnight, as will any Leafs that need it. The operation is 24/7 so there will be people to shuffle vehicles through the chargers as required.
3. We have a lot of power available. We are operating a medium sized stores warehouse in what was a large rebar bending shed, we haven't had to put a shilling in the meter in years.
4. We need the most intelligent and fancy-dan charging units available, or rather "we" think we do - this is part of a wider roll out driven partly by local politics which have a significant influence on our future as a business so strategy is set way above my pay grade. As an example, although we won't be recovering the cost initially, we are part of a larger multi user facility and will need the capability to do this later on. Rapid charging will become more of a need as we and the other users around us move more and more to a ZEC based fleet.
5. There is some civils work involved, but this is to create the charging bays rather than anything else, and I was excluding that from my original assessment. The cabling distance is less than 5m and we will probably run the cabling on a gantry rather than below the ground.
To answer the questions & to provide some further clarification:
1. We will have a fleet of 8 Nissan Leaf (2nd gen) cars and 1 - 2 Nissan Pathfinders, replacing a fleet of Fiesta vans and a Landrover Discovery. There will also be a couple of minibuses / MPVs, if Tesla ever launch their MPV.
2. We've had a 1st gen Leaf on trial for a fortnight and put it to work on the Fiesta fleet duties. We found that although mileage is local journeys, with rotating beacons & driver "comfort" ancillaries etc it needed a 30 minute charge at least once per shift. This can be tied in with a 30 minute dwell at the home base whilst parts / people and paperwork is collected for the next trip. These trips are sufficiently staggered that the full fleet will have time in their working day to cycle through the 2 rapid chargers with no queuing.
The Pathfinder will charge overnight, as will any Leafs that need it. The operation is 24/7 so there will be people to shuffle vehicles through the chargers as required.
3. We have a lot of power available. We are operating a medium sized stores warehouse in what was a large rebar bending shed, we haven't had to put a shilling in the meter in years.
4. We need the most intelligent and fancy-dan charging units available, or rather "we" think we do - this is part of a wider roll out driven partly by local politics which have a significant influence on our future as a business so strategy is set way above my pay grade. As an example, although we won't be recovering the cost initially, we are part of a larger multi user facility and will need the capability to do this later on. Rapid charging will become more of a need as we and the other users around us move more and more to a ZEC based fleet.
5. There is some civils work involved, but this is to create the charging bays rather than anything else, and I was excluding that from my original assessment. The cabling distance is less than 5m and we will probably run the cabling on a gantry rather than below the ground.
TooLateForAName said:
I'd suggest you talk to Michelle at C&C taxis
https://www.facebook.com/candctaxis
They run a fleet of Leafs as taxis and I think I'm correct in saying that they have the highest mileage leafs in the UK.
iirc they use a rapid to 80% and then move them onto 32Amp chargers - they found that the total charge time was faster that way.
That was the guidance we had with the Leaf demonstrator, which was borne out by the https://www.facebook.com/candctaxis
They run a fleet of Leafs as taxis and I think I'm correct in saying that they have the highest mileage leafs in the UK.
iirc they use a rapid to 80% and then move them onto 32Amp chargers - they found that the total charge time was faster that way.
Gareth79 said:
How was the supplier picked? I imagine there are installers taking liberties knowing some companies who write a cheque no matter the total bill.
I believe the DBT units are £8-10k before install? The install won't be any more complex than any other 3-phase commercial electrical works and shouldn't need a specialist as such.
We're part of a complex industrial facility with internal training & qualifications required for electricians (individual and companies) before they can start work on our site. There is a premium charged for work at this location as a result, but we now have gone for several prices rather than the single quote we had before, so we should get to the truth of it soon enoughI believe the DBT units are £8-10k before install? The install won't be any more complex than any other 3-phase commercial electrical works and shouldn't need a specialist as such.
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