Toyota Auris - Hyundai Ioniq A Road mpg vs 3 pot petrol

[fitz1985]

Hi

Currently researching next car purchase and would be interested in what any owners of the above get as economy figures. I have a daily ~75 mile commute which is a combination of dual carriageway - 30%, Single carriageway between 50-60mph, and about 10-15% through 40-30mpg town outer roads.

Currently have an Astra H 1.8 petrol and can get 40-42 mpg out of it taking it easy with the traffic.

Trying to work out if I would be getting decent figures on the commute above in the Auris or Ioniq, compared to something like the 3 cylinder Kia Ceed Petrol or another Astra with the 1.0 or 1.4 Turbo. I've test driven an Auris and got 56mpg on a short test run but that was mostly town / extra urban which I guess would favour its strengths.

Am trying to understand and avoid the experience of paying extra for a hybrid - Auris would be 4 years old 50-60k miles compared to a year old 10k Kia Ceed and finding out that actually I get about 48 or mpg which I'm confident I could probably get in a cheap 1.4T Astra yet alone the Kia. I'm not expecting 70mpg but I'd probably want to hit 60mpg without trying really hard for it to be worth it for me.

Discounting diesel as at 3 years or so old they don't score well on the emissions without the Ad Blue and that is an important consideration for me.

Thanks in advance if you can offer any real work experience!

[fitz1985]

Jonny_ said:

I used to average mid-to-high 50s in my Auris hybrid. Occasionally managed 60+. Best I ever managed over a full tank was 63mpg - that's the "at the pump" figure, the dash said something like 66.

I now have an Ioniq hybrid and that generally averages low to mid 60s. 70mpg is achievable if you're doing long journeys in warm weather. Best I've averaged over a full tank in this car is 72mpg, again "at the pump", the dash readout was a few mpg higher.

Thank you, that is really useful. I feel much happier now that I'd manage something pretty OK in an Auris then. Ioniq looks really good, just not sure if I can live with the really deep boot!

[fitz1985]

MaxSo said:

Is an actual EV out of the question?

Afraid so, budget does not permit something with appropriate range and I have nowhere to charge something at home.

[fitz1985]

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Otispunkmeyer said:

I have a Prius, the 3rd Gen and I've a similar sort of commute to you... thought its a 65 mile roundtrip, its comprised of fast A roads and Motorway sections. I average about 55 mpg in the summer, about 50 in the winter. I don't drive too much with economy in mind, though I think my general style is quite economical anyway as I can get high 40's out of our Mazda 3 without trying (whereas my Wife hovers it around 40). I don't really drive all that slowly either.

It doesn't handle at all so its quite a challenge to hustle one of these things!

Its 10 years old now though and there are non-hybrids that could probably do similar economy. For me half the benefit is how easy and relaxing it is to drive. There is a lot to be said for not having a clutch and a gear stick. Its easy street all the way.

Thanks that's really helpful. I might hope to get a tiny bit more in the prius as the roads tend to be slower than that for me. To be honest the handling / gear changing is the only thing really that is meaning I'm not just plumbing straight for a hybrid. Whilst the Astra is nothing special its not a bad handling car. I test drove the current Astra at the same time as the Auris and there was so little feel from the steering / gearbox that I certainly felt in comparison the Auris had nicer weight to the steering and I might as well just plumb for the economy. Not had a chance to try the Kia yet so I guess that will pretty much dictate what I do.

New Ceed will have a hybrid option soon but that will be 3 years before I can stump up for one at least, that might be something to look forward too.

[fitz1985]

kambites said:

This is quite a useful site for real-world numbers: http://www.fuelly.com/car/hyundai/ioniq (make sure you put it on UK MPG in the top left).

Most people seem to average something in the 57-67mpg range. Since your usage sounds pretty MPG-friendly I guess you should expect to be towards the top of that range.

Thanks have been checking that out but there seems such a range it can be difficult to get an idea!

[fitz1985]

Jag_NE said:

What is your budget OP? Euro6 diesels started c.2015

A bit flexible depending on option, something like say facelift Toyota that I'd keep for a fair while, would get the highest mpg and strongest residuals, maybe up to £16k. The more convential cars closer to 12-13k ideally.

I'm really not sold on the diesels for a lot a reasons. Long and short being it would have to meet strict emissions in real world, that and budget pretty much means it would be an Astra diesel and I don't want to take depreciation risk on that.

[fitz1985]

MaxSo said:

Not sure if the 75 mile commute is round trip or each way?

If round trip, a 40kWh EV would be suitable and depending where you live you can easily manage without home charging. If you are open to leasing, take a look at Evezy - from £290 a month all in (insurance, maintenance and public charging included) for a Renault Zoe (they have Ioniqs, Leafs and i3s too) and you can cancel if after a month if you don't get on with it. If you decide to go ahead, PM me for a referral code for £50 off... www.evezy.co.uk

Also check Zapmap to see nearest charging stations

Edited by MaxSo on Tuesday 21st May 08:34

Thanks for the info, 75 miles is round trip but need to do family trips at a longer distance etc. I checked out the link but I do twice that mileage limit a month and don't want to signup for the monthly cost.

[fitz1985]

Thank you everyone for passing on your experiences its really helpful!

by way of an update I had a test drive in a 1.4T Astra Elite yesterday as my local dealer supplied me with a special loyal customer code and discount and I thought I'd take a look again as it was offered.

I managed 50mpg on the trip on a test drive, I think I could probably nudge 55mpg on my commute.

being ruthless on the financial front - considering either the Auris or the Ioniq would be purchased purely to save money on fuel. The difference between say the Astra, which I can get for between £10-12k and an Auris / Ioniq which would be £15+ for one of comparable miles / condition / age. It would take 10 years to make the money back on fuel / tax savings.

I am going to test drive one of the Kia's next weekend to see what I think, just slightly concerned it might feel underpowered. I may try and see if I can find an Auris on the way to the Kia (Its a couple of hours away) and then I'll have driven them all in recent memory and can make a decision.

I like the idea of the hybrid but I think the prices will be high for a while due to ulez demand etc. I think perhaps the Astra or Kia make more sense this time round and then in a few years when hybrid options are more common perhaps the premium will be less. If I'm still doing the big miles something like the PHEV Ceed about to be launched would be ideal.

I'll keep everyone posted and let you know what I end up getting! At the moment it is an absolute dead heat between the Astra and the Kia, the Auris I'm just not sure I want to pay the extra money for one, given I prefer the looks of the Astra and Kia.

[fitz1985]

So by way of an update I have made a purchase

Went for the Kia Ceed 1.0T SW,

Currently doing a smidge over 50mpg as I get used to it. Based on that works out at ~£800 a year saving on fuel and tax. The extra £4k plus for an equivalent condition toyota hybrid would exceed any likely fuel saving above the little Kia and be less fun to drive. So far am happy with my decision. I think in a few years time come replacement hopefully a PHEV will be in budget and I'll have sorted a way to charge it then.

Thank you so much for everyone's input it was very helpful in making my decision, I was quite happy with the expected economy of the hybrids but it just didn't seem to make financial sense, especially when I enjoyed driving the Kia.