Tesla 3 Performance vs. I-Pace S

[pghstochaj]

Dear All,

I am looking at getting one of the above on lease (to replace an aging 635d), My 2010 635d, whilst dated now, offers a really strong performance all round so I want to find something different rather than better to replace it. Through NHS Fleet Solutions, we can currently get:

I-Pace S with metallic option /15k per annum / maintenance, servicing and insurance / new charging point for £366/month without any deposit (36 months). This is an offer.
Tesla Performance (no options)/ 15k per annum / maintenance, servicing and insurance / new charging point for £460/month without any deposit (36 months). This doesn't seem to be a special offer.


I don't like the I-Pace in S specification, I think it looks like a cheap car on the outside and obviously it is anything but. Taking the specification up to HSE specification makes it the same price as the Tesla. I also like the idea of having a 3.2 second 0-60 party piece in the Tesla and given that I am leaving a well specified 6 series which will be hard to match, I like the idea of something so fast to make up for the other shortcomings.. However, I am struggling to ignore the £100/month lower price for what is a higher list price car.

For my purposes, either car is sufficiently practical and I don't expect to use any supercharging network except very infrequently. I imagine the Tesla basic automatic driving features would be quite useful in some circumstances to me. I like comfortable and high quality interiors.

I was looking for opinions, would it be madness to go for the Tesla 3 Performance for an entire £100/month more than the I-Pace. The reviews I see are comparing the Tesla as the cheaper car of the two so it's hard to know if they would rate the Tesla as good as they do if the prices were switched.

Thanks.

[pghstochaj]

TheRainMaker said:

£366.00 a month for an I-Pace is fantastic.

That's what I am afraid about! £100/month extra for a car which has a lower list price. It makes the I-Pace a very desirable choice, but my heart still says the Tesla. I was therefore hoping for somebody to either say "follow your heart" or "you've got to be out of your mind to think that the Tesla is the better option here".

Also, the longer I take to make the decision, the more likely it is that they will sell out at that price so I will be forced to go to the Tesla!

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aestetix1 said:

Have you test driven either? They are very different, the Model 3 is much smaller and you should check if you fit in before anything else, otherwise it's a non-starter. Similarly some people don't like the step up to get in the iPace.

No, I can’t see a way to test drive the Tesla at the moment, just online consultations. I’m not far from stockport so have both Tesla and Jaguar here but was expecting a blind “purchase” given the current situation and Tesla’s approach to avoiding test drives (perceived or actual).

I’m about 6’ and average weight so I think either would be fine. The I-pace doesn’t look large on the road, but I’ll check out the size difference, thanks.

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gangzoom said:

£460/month for a P Model 3 on NHS salary sacrifice is a discounted rate, Tusker which charges you the list price is around £570/month take home pay and well over £1000/month gross - equating to nearly £40k over 3 years!!

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However £366/month on any iPace is even more discounted. Given you wouldn't own these cars I would treat them as what you want to try for 3 years, rather than been obsessive about spec/options or even brand. Personally I would go for the cheapest deal possible.

Just make sure you work out your pension reduction as well.

Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 11th July 16:32

Thanks. This is through nhs fleet solutions. I say “not a special offer” because the Tesla is just priced through the quote system, the I-pace is on a special offer page.

I’ll fixate on this decision for ages! I want the Tesla but the price difference is huge.

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Blue Oval84 said:

The tech in the 3 will be a bit better, and it'll be noticeably quicker I imagine. But the iPace is undoubtedly the nicer of the two to sit in (and better looking in my opinion but that's in the eye of the beholder I guess)

Do you mind me asking, are those net deduction figures based on higher rate tax?

I think I need to look at an ipace property. In a spec I think they look fairly bad

Yes, those figures are both take home pay reductions for a higher rate tax payer.

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gangzoom said:

You need to change your mindset, when go and get a rental car on holiday do you really care about the spec??

Its not your car, its a rental, but a good rental none the less at a massive discount. Treat it purely as cheap transport rather than any kind of ownership proposition to get attached to.

I suspect some people will be paying £100/month+ just on insurance for an iPace. You are getting the car + insurance + tyres for not that much more!!

Don't tick any options, just get one and enjoy very good value motoring for 3 years.

I really don’t agree. If I’m going to spend 45,000 miles in a car over three years I want to be certain it’s the right choice. It’s not like a quick rental whilst on holiday. For obvious reasons I’m worried about long term reliability or residuals like I would be in buying the car. I normally change cars at around the 3 year mark, it’s only the 635d I’ve kept for a long time (nearly 8 years!) but I don’t want to leave that for something that feels wrong for three years.

I won’t miss the extra £100/month very much but equally, it’s a difficult comparison to make!

I know both are cheap, so it’s just a comparison between the two rather than an absolute decision.

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Blue Oval84 said:

Thanks, I had a feeling they were. I looked into one on our salary sacrifice scheme and was confused at first as to why the net difference in take home was much bigger for me than it was for one of the top bosses until she pointed out that she pays higher rate tax and I don't, therefore gets a bigger saving...

One other thing that people have picked up on, the ride quality of the Tesla can be a bit harsh, it's probably fine compared to many but I find the LR AWD to be very firm compared to my S80 (unsurprisingly) and even compared to things like the Leaf. The iPace, whilst it doesn't go around corners quite as well as the Tesla, is certainly a more comfortable place to spend time as well as being a nicer interior.

That said, I'm sure the Tesla is fine compared to most performance orientated cars.

Sorry I bet I'm not helping much

No, you're not! I sat in my colleague's HSE today and whilst it was nice, it wasn't as nice as I expected. It felt like many other cars, where as my 6 series feels like a glove you've put on. Maybe after nearly ten years I am just too used to it!

I think if it was anything other than the S I would seriously consider it, but I don't think I want the S and I am not willing to pay the uplift for the HSE

Another colleague has a Tesla Model 3 so I will ask him nicely to have a look. I don't think his is a performance model though so it looks less good from the ouside but I am guesisng fairly similar on the inside.

I keep refreshing the NHS fleet solutions website to see if a HSE becomes available. .

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SWoll said:

S wheels are 19", SE and HSE come on 20" which still looks a little small IMHO. The top of the range 22" wheels you see on a lot of press cars are a £3k option on all specs unfortunately.

They're a nice car but even on the HSE if you want the big wheels, panoramic roof etc. you're looking at adding £5k+ in options and ending up with an £80k+ list price.

Still looks a lot better value than the iX3 though..

According to everything I can find, the S has 18”. See even the jag site.

[pghstochaj]

That's not what I get on the website. The 18" comes up as standard, and there is no 19" option.

[pghstochaj]

I get that if I follow your link, but the 18" was what I got going through the jaguar.co.uk website when posted before. Maybe it was a cached version and using your link has rebooted it. I have now gone through the main site and get your wheels so I think you're right now.

I don't think this changes my mind though, I think I'm going for the model 3 Performance [Performance upgrade]. However, at least it improves the offering slightly, the 18" multispoke are really not good.

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RobDickinson said:

good choice!

Thanks, I am going for white exterior and white interior, feel like it's a stupid choice but I like it in white and the white interior looks stunning in pictures.

I am just holding off ordering in case the lease price comes down to reflect the current economic climate. They seem to be doing so on private leases but not through the NHS deal yet.

The only last hurdle is insurance, it is my wife that works for the NHS and the insurance offer only covers business use for NHS use. I need to get my own insurance. This is fine and I prefer to do so, but apparently not all trusts accept third party insurance. So all of this could be just a wasted dream! I'll see shortlty when I press order.