Bjorn Nyland - Tesla Bjorn's 1000km EV challenge

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Some of you may know of TB, he's well known in EV YouTube circles and is generally well regarded for his depth of testing and data generation. Often creating videos showing the comparison of several rapid charging EVs, or filling cars with Banana boxes.

Also, he does a 1000km test, and the latest Model 3 is quite an interesting one, achieving the 1000km in 20 minutes longer than the "control" non-EV vehicle, knocking a big chunk (15 minutes) off the e-tron GT with its flatline to 90% charge curve.

Table of results


YouTube Link
https://youtu.be/CPrhudJiD98

The table itself throws up some interesting results, especially the Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh versus 38kWh.

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jason61c said:

What’s more interesting is how close the e-tron is. That must be a massive win for Audi

The Audi has a very, very good charge curve. It's not the fastest top-rate but it sustains 150kW very well. Benefits of 800V battery.

Only issue being a non-Tesla can be finding a 150kW charger!

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dmsims said:

Wrong e-tron try actually reading the OP

I am the OP...

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LordGrover said:

Am I missing something?

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He's a YouTuber, in Norway. The infrastructure there is world leading, but unfortunately the weather is very seasonal.

But strangely everyone seems to be ignoring that the "best" EV was capable of only taking 20 minutes more to complete a 620 mile journey in similar conditions.

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dmsims said:

Apples and oranges

How so?

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Northernboy said:

Yes, if you insist on crawling along in both cars then that's going to be the likely outcome. Up the pace to something a bit more sensible and the difference would be greater.

I appreciate there's plenty of EV drivers that talk about doing 5miles/kWh at 56mph, but Bjorn is doing the speed limit in both cases. So the idea he should do more "sensible" speeds is quite hilarious

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SWoll said:

JonnyVTEC said:

Evanivitch said:

The Audi has a very, very good charge curve. It's not the fastest top-rate but it sustains 150kW very well. Benefits of 800V battery.

Only issue being a non-Tesla can be finding a 150kW charger!

It’s not 800V …

Yep. That's the charge curve for the eTron 55 SUV, not the eTron GT which uses a completely different 800v architecture it shares with the Taycan as below. Very impressive, especially on the highest speed chargers.

Yeah fair cop.

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Northernboy said:

Evanivitch said:

I appreciate there's plenty of EV drivers that talk about doing 5miles/kWh at 56mph, but Bjorn is doing the speed limit in both cases. So the idea he should do more "sensible" speeds is quite hilarious

Why? Do you never drive above the limit on long motorway trips?

The point I am making is that on longer, faster drives the difference is greater than in this test; are you claiming that that's not the case?

I've not claimed anything of the sort, you're the one suggesting that a test would be more representative if it was 10-20 mph faster than the speed limit

Whether I speed or not is irrelevant, I wouldn't expect someone to be video recording and publishing data that proves there were exceeding the speed limit again and again.

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Heres Johnny said:

Maybe I'm just being a little irritated today having sat at Hilton Park supercharger in 30 degs of heat with a M3 LR sitting on 12% SOC and pulling the heady amount of 34kw - this is a new supercharger site but only V2 and I had a pair all to myself. If Bjorn had by chance stopped at that site he could add an hour+ to the timings.

Out of interest, was the battery preconditioned?

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Murph7355 said:

Alternatively 4% uplift against infrastructure that has a 100yr start....

The infrastructure will arrive fast, IMO. Charging will get quicker. In 10yrs' time I susoect we'll be looking back and asking what all the fuss was about.

The infrastructure is getting better, more chargers (more locations and larger hubs) and higher power (100kW+). As long as it continues to be ahead of the demand then everything is rosy.

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Heres Johnny said:

Watch the Richard Symonds video of him driving a couple of EVs from Scotland to Bournmouth and you'll get a better idea of a 1000km trip in the UK and I can assure you its more than the times quited on that chart.

Do you have a link? I'm not at all surprised if it's based on using Electric Highway 50kW chargers.

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Heres Johnny said:

This was the one I was thinking of

In many respects he’s as bad as Bjorn and makes the odd mistake but it’s worth a look

https://youtu.be/0dipTAQsBgk

Watched a bit and it's interesting to see them stretch it, but can't help feel they fell into some basic pitfalls. For example merging a max range run with a "fastest charging solution" is a poor mix, and obviously the Tesla nab didn't agree with preconditioning if that meant running out of charge short of the target charger, that's a good thing, not a bad thing!

In which case the best thing would have been to let the Tesla do it's own thing and try and manage the ID4 as well as possible.