Charging points rolled back - quietly.
Discussion
aestetix1 said:
Rapid chargers in car parks would mostly be a waste of time and money. Much better to have large banks of slower chargers in places where people naturally dwell anyway, such as at work or shopping centres.
What's the problem with having 10-20 AC chargers at work? Most people do not need a full charge every day.
But in rotation over a week everyone could get their full weeks charge. What's the problem with having 10-20 AC chargers at work? Most people do not need a full charge every day.
I’d say 200 cars all EVs that’s what you need to plan for. However if WFH is going to be a far bigger thing then genuinely people should be extremely worried as if you can do it here in U.K. from home then why not in India where it’s 5x++ cheaper to do? Why car allowances why allow electric car salary sacrifice?
TheRainMaker said:
This just comes down to money, there is very little to no money to be made in slow chargers (or any chargers really).
Income from a 7 kW charger being used six hours a day for 365 days a year, charging 35p a kW take off the cost of electric @20p a kW leaves you £2299.5 a year from each charger.
Take off groundworks and charger, take off payment system and admin, take off ongoing maintenance, you are left with the square route of sod all.
Unless there are subsidies from the govt then prices per therm need to increase. Income from a 7 kW charger being used six hours a day for 365 days a year, charging 35p a kW take off the cost of electric @20p a kW leaves you £2299.5 a year from each charger.
Take off groundworks and charger, take off payment system and admin, take off ongoing maintenance, you are left with the square route of sod all.
All those without ability to charge at home need to charge in parking lots.
DonkeyApple said:
Yup. And when do they need to be able to do that? Tomorrow? Or maybe in 10-20 years when those people start buying EVs?
I know that you are really keen to find very serious problems and are struggling to find any so let me give you a helping hand with a little clue: underground car parks. Have a look at what's going to happen as more cars using them are EVs. That'll give you a genuine issue to get your teeth into.
The way I like to see things is identify all issues & then are the game changers or real blockers. Then we need a plan or plans to mitigate. I know that you are really keen to find very serious problems and are struggling to find any so let me give you a helping hand with a little clue: underground car parks. Have a look at what's going to happen as more cars using them are EVs. That'll give you a genuine issue to get your teeth into.
I think EVs for say SUVs people carriers are a great idea. Lots of instant max torque, perfect for zero emissions to school clubs etc. and lugging 7 adults with luggage no issue at all. I’d far rather one over our MPV
However the way we use ours involves big miles reasonably often.
On street charging is irrelevant to us but is to countless others - as if there isn’t a solution it means they will hugely occupy filling stations which on a long trip would impact me
Ignoring problems or meh is simply avoiding a real issue. Take the challenge let’s get a solution instead.
No one wants our taxes wasted & we don’t want to needlessly go through the pain of Betamax v vhs if possible.
DonkeyApple said:
Indeed. Not a deliberate message but reminds us, along with other more recent events, that 2035 will go in the bin if by that date almost everyone, ie the lowest paid workers, cannot switch due to economic reasons.
Personally, I don't see that as likely as there will be a big supply of used, there will be a considerable range of bottom of the market new EVs, batteries will be higher quality, there will be a large consumer charging network offering a wide range of solutions and most importantly, finance will adapt to fit. There's absolutely no reason why you can't structure a portable ten year deal on a new car, we don't currently because everyone is happy to pay massively over the a for short term, unportable deals.
I don't see any issue re charging, usage or cost by 2035, even if every new car bought going forward is an EV, which we are well over a decade away from and in 2035 there will remain millions of nearly new ICE vehicles on U.K. roads.
However, where I do see an issue is transport security as it a backbone to economic security and also tied to energy security.
The ideal, secure environment for the U.K. is to retain a viable percentage of vehicles running off a viable remnant of the petrol/diesel infrastructure. As an island that conducts very abnormally high levels of international business we have an economy that is abnormally inflated and at considerable risk to external global affairs. Ensuring smooth transport, like the energy it is built upon, is far more critical here than in most other places.
There isn’t yet a viable solution to commercial vehicles - as per one of the Harry’s Garage videos where the CEO of JCB took us through the reality Personally, I don't see that as likely as there will be a big supply of used, there will be a considerable range of bottom of the market new EVs, batteries will be higher quality, there will be a large consumer charging network offering a wide range of solutions and most importantly, finance will adapt to fit. There's absolutely no reason why you can't structure a portable ten year deal on a new car, we don't currently because everyone is happy to pay massively over the a for short term, unportable deals.
I don't see any issue re charging, usage or cost by 2035, even if every new car bought going forward is an EV, which we are well over a decade away from and in 2035 there will remain millions of nearly new ICE vehicles on U.K. roads.
However, where I do see an issue is transport security as it a backbone to economic security and also tied to energy security.
The ideal, secure environment for the U.K. is to retain a viable percentage of vehicles running off a viable remnant of the petrol/diesel infrastructure. As an island that conducts very abnormally high levels of international business we have an economy that is abnormally inflated and at considerable risk to external global affairs. Ensuring smooth transport, like the energy it is built upon, is far more critical here than in most other places.
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