Buying a used car from non-main dealer

Buying a used car from non-main dealer

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TazLondon

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322 posts

221 months

Friday 9th September 2016
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I see a large number of used luxury and exec cars that are relatively new (less than 3 years old) being sold by used car dealerships that are not main dealers.

Obviously buying such cars through a main dealer gives you at least one year of 'proper' warranty.

Buying from a non-main dealer doesn't give you this protection. What are the other risks associated with buying higher-end cars from such dealerships?

Until today I've only been looking at adverts on AutoTrader of cars that are 'Manufacturer Approved'. For some reason unbeknown to me, I've just assumed that buying these cars from any other source is going to be dodgy! On the plus side, in many cases the prices are a few £K lower than similar cars from main dealers.

tom321

41 posts

94 months

Friday 9th September 2016
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TazLondon said:
I see a large number of used luxury and exec cars that are relatively new (less than 3 years old) being sold by used car dealerships that are not main dealers.

Obviously buying such cars through a main dealer gives you at least one year of 'proper' warranty.

Buying from a non-main dealer doesn't give you this protection. What are the other risks associated with buying higher-end cars from such dealerships?

Until today I've only been looking at adverts on AutoTrader of cars that are 'Manufacturer Approved'. For some reason unbeknown to me, I've just assumed that buying these cars from any other source is going to be dodgy! On the plus side, in many cases the prices are a few £K lower than similar cars from main dealers.
Main worry for me would be the potential loss of any 'goodwill' gestures from the manufacturer in the event of any problems once the car is out of the three year warranty period. I think you would be less likely to get any help if the car had been out of the main dealer network.

Vaud

50,946 posts

157 months

Friday 9th September 2016
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Check the servicing records carefully.

Less than 3 years old of course means no MOT so validate that it hasn't had a major haircut for miles.

jhonn

1,568 posts

151 months

Friday 9th September 2016
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TazLondon said:
Obviously buying such cars through a main dealer gives you at least one year of 'proper' warranty.
Is this the case? I thought that if it was outwith the manufacturers warranty period that was it - if you wanted extended warranty you had to purchase it as an extra.

Could be wrong though.

TazLondon

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322 posts

221 months

Friday 9th September 2016
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No, the cars I've looked at all have an 'Approved Used' warranty from the manufacturer if they're sold by a main dealer. This is at least a year's warranty and, in the case of Jaguar, a 2-year warranty. It's not a new car warranty but an approved used warranty. Some even have MOT insurance where they'll pay for up to £750 of repairs if the car fails an MOT during the warranty period.

I guess it's these kinds of things that cost the extra few £K when buying a used car from a main dealer.

jhonn

1,568 posts

151 months

Friday 9th September 2016
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Ah..fair enough - every day's a school day. smile

I think you're right - that's why they'll be a couple of K more expensive.

briang9

3,340 posts

162 months

Friday 9th September 2016
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TazLondon said:
No, the cars I've looked at all have an 'Approved Used' warranty from the manufacturer if they're sold by a main dealer. This is at least a year's warranty and, in the case of Jaguar, a 2-year warranty. It's not a new car warranty but an approved used warranty. Some even have MOT insurance where they'll pay for up to £750 of repairs if the car fails an MOT during the warranty period.

I guess it's these kinds of things that cost the extra few £K when buying a used car from a main dealer.
Yep, best find a good non main dealer, or private sale example and self insure by sticking the difference in a "car repair" account, if it doesn't break then you can take the other half on a nice holiday somwhere when you sell it, or use the amount towards a newer one.

wildcat45

8,092 posts

191 months

Friday 9th September 2016
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I've often wondered this. The sort of places selling nearly new Bentley, Aston, Range Rovers. I visited one once through work. They had celebrity and titled clients. I'm sure that was the case, but I can't understand why.

If you're going to part with 100k or more surely you're wiser to do this at a main dealer than some non-franchise place.

I'm only in the 40k bracket for my cars and threres no way I'd spend my money on a nearly new car that wasn't approved used. Should the car have problems, you have some sort of redress. I'm sure Jaguar Mercedes or whoever would be quite concerned it it turned out they were selling an approved used car that had been clocked for the example.

Many years ago I bought an approved used Volvo. It transpired that it had been involved in a fatal accident. (The driver of the other car) Somehow it got into the approved used system with the damage repaired and not recorded. I found out about it by chance, told the dealer who without quibbling took it back and put me in a different car. I doubt a non-franchise place would have been so accommodating.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

248 months

Friday 9th September 2016
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jhonn said:
TazLondon said:
Obviously buying such cars through a main dealer gives you at least one year of 'proper' warranty.
Is this the case? I thought that if it was outwith the manufacturers warranty period that was it - if you wanted extended warranty you had to purchase it as an extra. Could be wrong though.
  • IF the car is still under manufacturer warranty that will still apply wherever you buy the car.
  • There is in itself no magic about buying used cars from the main dealer. However, many marques operate an official "Approved Used" program and if that applies there may be additional protection - but read it carefully because it's not like warranty on a new car.
  • All used cars bought from the trade have the same Sale of Goods Act basic protections of "satisfactory condition" and "fitness for purpose". But they are very basic. Basically it's a warranty that it's a car which works when you bought it.
  • Any other warranty (including main dealer Approved Used) will depend upon (1) what's written in the purchase contract, and (2) what's written in any additional warranty policy which the buyer might purchase.

TazLondon

Original Poster:

322 posts

221 months

Friday 9th September 2016
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What I find intriguing is how these used car places (non-main dealer) acquire high net worth cars to sell in the first place. Where do they get them from?

If you've got a top-end Merc, Jag etc., would you sell it to Fred Bloggs and Son after a couple of years?

Do they buy them at auction? And how can they prep a car without the specialist equipment that a main dealer would have?

Sheepshanks

33,189 posts

121 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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Ozzie Osmond said:
  • IF the car is still under manufacturer warranty that will still apply wherever you buy the car.
Only if the service history if full and complete. That can be really difficult to check and I'm sure many buyers don't even ask.

There's a thread on one of the MB forums where a guy bought a 2yr old E Class and the engine threw a rod. Turned out it had never been serviced and MB told him that's why it hadn't been sold in their network.

Magic919

14,126 posts

203 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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TazLondon said:
And how can they prep a car without the specialist equipment that a main dealer would have?
Other buckets and sponges are available.

datum77

470 posts

123 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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TazLondon. I've noticed your other question regarding dealing with a main dealer who treats customers like a bad smell, wanting £1000 before you can test drive a car. Why, oh why, oh why are you falling into the trap of thinking that main stealers are the ONLY place that you can buy the car of your choice.
Doing your research INCLUDING considering buying privately and dealing with the many honest used car dealers that ARE out there is THE secret. Assuming that the only way to buy a car with a comprehensive warranty is from a main dealer is totally misguided. You are walking around with your eyes shut.
You, and people just like you, are a main dealers dream. Narrow visioned and, relatively easily parted from their money.

PositronicRay

27,158 posts

185 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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Magic919 said:
TazLondon said:
And how can they prep a car without the specialist equipment that a main dealer would have?
Other buckets and sponges are available.
For stuff we wanted to preserve a service history on, we'd just send it to the main/indy dealer. Sometimes we'd supply it with a manufacturer's warranty (i.e. Porsche) which we could purchase @ the same time as the service.

Other jobs, brakes, tyres, wheel refubs, paint, etc would be done in our own workshops.

Magic919

14,126 posts

203 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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Except an indie cannot buy a Porsche warranty from Porsche.

PositronicRay

27,158 posts

185 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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Magic919 said:
Except an indie cannot buy a Porsche warranty from Porsche.
No you purchase the warranty in the customers name.

ChasW

2,135 posts

204 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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TazLondon said:
What I find intriguing is how these used car places (non-main dealer) acquire high net worth cars to sell in the first place. Where do they get them from?

If you've got a top-end Merc, Jag etc., would you sell it to Fred Bloggs and Son after a couple of years?

Do they buy them at auction? And how can they prep a car without the specialist equipment that a main dealer would have?
I think some of these people are dealer/brokers with much smaller overheads with decent HNW networks. There are a couple in my vicinity that operate from smart houses with big attractive compounds where they can store and display cars (viewing by appointment). My neighbour runs his own business and uses a "broker/dealer" for his company fleet, about 10 cars, and private vehicles. If he needs and extra vehicle for a new employee he just rings this guy up and it's delivered. If he wants to get rid of his wife's high-end SUV then it's off his drive within days. This method is least hassle for my neighbour.

Krikkit

26,673 posts

183 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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ChasW said:
TazLondon said:
What I find intriguing is how these used car places (non-main dealer) acquire high net worth cars to sell in the first place. Where do they get them from?

If you've got a top-end Merc, Jag etc., would you sell it to Fred Bloggs and Son after a couple of years?

Do they buy them at auction? And how can they prep a car without the specialist equipment that a main dealer would have?
I think some of these people are dealer/brokers with much smaller overheads with decent HNW networks. There are a couple in my vicinity that operate from smart houses with big attractive compounds where they can store and display cars (viewing by appointment). My neighbour runs his own business and uses a "broker/dealer" for his company fleet, about 10 cars, and private vehicles. If he needs and extra vehicle for a new employee he just rings this guy up and it's delivered. If he wants to get rid of his wife's high-end SUV then it's off his drive within days. This method is least hassle for my neighbour.
Sometimes these types of guys will go after non-marque cars from dealerships too. Rather than the dealer chucking it into BCA, the little guy will take the interesting stock direct.

e.g. Buying Range Rover trade-ins from Audi/Merc, and visa-versa.

TazLondon

Original Poster:

322 posts

221 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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Interesting comments. I'll definitely take a closer look at some cars from non-main dealers. It's just that you don't really know how good they are until after you've handed over the cash! Is there some ratings register where you can read some feedback that is genuine feedback?

Edy28

3 posts

93 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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Buying from a main dealer or not, used cars must be purchased carefully. When we buy from the dealers we will have a guarantee that the vehicle is serviced and repaired. Follow this checklist . https://www.aspirefcu.org/resources/vehicle-checkl... . Even then, sometimes we may miss out minor defects which would come out only after the purchase.

Which Car are you going to buy? Even if it is a high-end car, follow the vehicle checklist. Wish you good luck!