EVs... no one wants them!
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GeneralBanter said:
All I can say is I get 600+ miles on a tank, so fill up and know that:
1. For 2-3 weeks I can forget about it
2. There's no range anxiety
3. I don't have to plan trips around charging points
4. I don't have to wait in a queue or hang around mid journey while charging
5. I don't have to remember to charge at home
6. There's no being ripped off for electricity charging
7. I can choose when and where I next fill up, usually leave it to get on reserve.
8. When I do fill up its straight to the pump and less than 5 minutes.
Incredible isn't it
While consuming finite natural resources and spewing out s1. For 2-3 weeks I can forget about it
2. There's no range anxiety
3. I don't have to plan trips around charging points
4. I don't have to wait in a queue or hang around mid journey while charging
5. I don't have to remember to charge at home
6. There's no being ripped off for electricity charging
7. I can choose when and where I next fill up, usually leave it to get on reserve.
8. When I do fill up its straight to the pump and less than 5 minutes.
Incredible isn't it
tloads of noxious tailpipe emissions. It isn't sustainable.EVs are suitable today for virtually every UK household with a driveway, especially for 2-car households. That is many millions of households that can transition easily to EVs in the coming years. Provision for the millions of people without driveways is improving rapidly and will continue to do so in the coming decade.
And so the thread goes around in circles.
EVs aren't suitable. Unless you're one of the >56% of households that have offstreet parking. Or unless you're one of the >99% of drivers who aren't needing to regularly do 400+ miles without stopping.
I can't see why anyone would buy one to be honest.
EVs aren't suitable. Unless you're one of the >56% of households that have offstreet parking. Or unless you're one of the >99% of drivers who aren't needing to regularly do 400+ miles without stopping.
I can't see why anyone would buy one to be honest.
LowTread said:
KingGary said:
I agree, and it’s not arbitrary at all if it becomes a barrier to adoption. Of course most people won’t do 400 miles in one go, it’s not unheard of to do 200, which means you’ll need to recharge before making a return journey. Great if you can find a charger and are prepared to wait several hours to “refuel” but some people cannot be arsed with that. Refuelling with petrol or diesel is completely different as it’s widely available and takes less than 10 minutes to complete.
Doesn’t matter if you agree with me, but I bet it’s a major consideration for some people.
"Several hours". "If you can find a charger". Righto. Utter bDoesn’t matter if you agree with me, but I bet it’s a major consideration for some people.
ks. You have no idea what you're on about. Jog on pal 
Real life longer journeys in an ev end up being much longer journeys in real life. Up here in Scotland I budget two hours of driving is one hour of charging in the real world of 50kw chargers only giving you 30kw that or large detours via the very few reliable Ionity chargers.
My average journeys are 2-3 hours but that is living in remote Scotland. Perhaps I'm the 2% but there's a few others up here who have the same issue.
My average journeys are 2-3 hours but that is living in remote Scotland. Perhaps I'm the 2% but there's a few others up here who have the same issue.
cptsideways said:
Real life longer journeys in an ev end up being much longer journeys in real life. Up here in Scotland I budget two hours of driving is one hour of charging in the real world of 50kw chargers only giving you 30kw that or large detours via the very few reliable Ionity chargers.
My average journeys are 2-3 hours but that is living in remote Scotland. Perhaps I'm the 2% but there's a few others up here who have the same issue.
chargeplace scotland do seem to think 50kW speeds are up to the job. someone needs to tell them it isn't 2018 anymore!My average journeys are 2-3 hours but that is living in remote Scotland. Perhaps I'm the 2% but there's a few others up here who have the same issue.
KingGary said:
LowTread said:
KingGary said:
I agree, and it’s not arbitrary at all if it becomes a barrier to adoption. Of course most people won’t do 400 miles in one go, it’s not unheard of to do 200, which means you’ll need to recharge before making a return journey. Great if you can find a charger and are prepared to wait several hours to “refuel” but some people cannot be arsed with that. Refuelling with petrol or diesel is completely different as it’s widely available and takes less than 10 minutes to complete.
Doesn’t matter if you agree with me, but I bet it’s a major consideration for some people.
"Several hours". "If you can find a charger". Righto. Utter bDoesn’t matter if you agree with me, but I bet it’s a major consideration for some people.
ks. You have no idea what you're on about. Jog on pal About 30-40mins from 10% to 90%
Or a quick volt-n-bolt on a long journey every 180 miles (3 hrs) or so would be about 25 mins. Time for a coffee and a pee
Edited by LowTread on Monday 29th April 18:31
tamore said:
you appear to have missed off the times for supercharging/ ultra rapid. whoops! 
Here you go, they didn’t have a 0-100% option for rapid charging as it slows down to avoid boiling the battery apparently 
Still looking at up to an hour with anything but the fastest 150kw charge rates to get from 20-80%Dave200 said:
I get 300+ miles on a 'tank'.
I fill up at home, which takes me less than 30 seconds of effort and those 300 miles cost me a tenner.
Now that's incredible.
What isn't incredible is when you come to sell and replace your car it is worth buttons and you have lost a chunk of cash because residuals are rubbish. Much rather fill up for 5 minutes once a month whilst doing the shopping in that respect than throwing good money away. I fill up at home, which takes me less than 30 seconds of effort and those 300 miles cost me a tenner.
Now that's incredible.
My Aston can't do more than 300 miles on a tank (and is more like 250). Not a car.
Also, my bladder can't go more than 200 miles (if I'm lucky).
It is unsafe to drive for more than 2 hours according to the Highway Code (Rule 91 of the Code states that a break of at least 15 minutes should be taken every two hours – with regular breaks essential in keeping a driver focused, alert and, above all, safe on the road). That said 90% will drive 3 hours and 58% will drive 4 hours.
Also, my bladder can't go more than 200 miles (if I'm lucky).
It is unsafe to drive for more than 2 hours according to the Highway Code (Rule 91 of the Code states that a break of at least 15 minutes should be taken every two hours – with regular breaks essential in keeping a driver focused, alert and, above all, safe on the road). That said 90% will drive 3 hours and 58% will drive 4 hours.
BricktopST205 said:
What isn't incredible is when you come to sell and replace your car it is worth buttons and you have lost a chunk of cash because residuals are rubbish. Much rather fill up for 5 minutes once a month whilst doing the shopping in that respect than throwing good money away.
i think you're in for a shock at what ICE vehicles will be worth once EVs are dominant in the sales. oh, and petrol stations either close due to falling demand or convert to charging stations. BricktopST205 said:
What isn't incredible is when you come to sell and replace your car it is worth buttons and you have lost a chunk of cash because residuals are rubbish. Much rather fill up for 5 minutes once a month whilst doing the shopping in that respect than throwing good money away.
If it's worth buttons then it's a fantastic used purchase. I reckon used EVs will get similar residuals as ICE, perhaps better.BricktopST205 said:
What isn't incredible is when you come to sell and replace your car it is worth buttons and you have lost a chunk of cash because residuals are rubbish. Much rather fill up for 5 minutes once a month whilst doing the shopping in that respect than throwing good money away.
Which is why I had one on a PCP. I like my Honda e:Ny1 a lot, but I agree that there's no way I'd have bought one. £45k? You can get 73 reg 2024 ones from a dealer for £30k. At £200 per month for 3 years, there are barely any petrol / diesel ones available at that, nor do they cost 3p per mile. It only has a range just over 200 miles in real use, my Griffith 500 is about the same unless you're gentle on the pedal.
Mikehig said:
Could part of the reason for "range anxiety" be that some (many?) folk have no idea of their car's range nor of how many miles they drive in a typical week or month?
Maybe they just trundle around, checking the fuel gauge occasionally, and fill up when necessary.
Some may have some idea of range from the car's dashboard display - those that bother to look after filling up.
This may apply particularly to shared cars, used by two or more members of the same family, for example. (We've all experienced, or heard of, getting into the car and wondering how long the fuel light has been on!).
So all the talk about range might create uncertainty for those considering EV because they have no idea what they need, charging requirements, etc.
Some people will have memories of things like motorbikes with limited range, pottering home on reserve after the garages are shut.Maybe they just trundle around, checking the fuel gauge occasionally, and fill up when necessary.
Some may have some idea of range from the car's dashboard display - those that bother to look after filling up.
This may apply particularly to shared cars, used by two or more members of the same family, for example. (We've all experienced, or heard of, getting into the car and wondering how long the fuel light has been on!).
So all the talk about range might create uncertainty for those considering EV because they have no idea what they need, charging requirements, etc.
If you're used to a 24 hour fuels station every couple of miles, some people would find rural life a shock.
My car goes 'bing' and the fuel light comes on with 60 miles to go.
My wife's car goes bing and oh s
t, it has 32 miles of fuel. I hate that car! A lot of people are happy to do one more round with petrol.
Friend of my wife has just ordered a hybrid.
All-in cost over 3 years is slightly less than a similar EV, and the car will do any long trips.
Give it another couple of years, there will be more chargers, and the price difference might be the other way.
There will come a point where a lot more people will see the inconvenience of finite range as tolerably compensated by cash in their pocket.
Apart from Tesla, 300 mile 'alleged' range basically means a 21 or newer EV.
Two years' time, those cars are going to start looking tempting to a lot of people who do the odd long journey.
They could hammer the residual values of IC cars.
I think we are already seeing 200 mile + EVs hammering the value of short range chariots like the Leaf and the i3.
tamore said:
BricktopST205 said:
What isn't incredible is when you come to sell and replace your car it is worth buttons and you have lost a chunk of cash because residuals are rubbish. Much rather fill up for 5 minutes once a month whilst doing the shopping in that respect than throwing good money away.
i think you're in for a shock at what ICE vehicles will be worth once EVs are dominant in the sales. oh, and petrol stations either close due to falling demand or convert to charging stations. LowTread said:
Superchargers are generally 150kw. And only 40p/kwh.
About 30-40mins from 10% to 90%
Or a quick volt-n-bolt on a long journey every 180 miles (3 hrs) or so would be about 25 mins. Time for a coffee and a pee
Interesting. As of March this year, there were 59,590 charging “devices” across the UK. 19,461 of those are in London (33%). Just over 4000 chargers nationally are 150kw (7%). I’d guess many of those are also based in the south? About 30-40mins from 10% to 90%
Or a quick volt-n-bolt on a long journey every 180 miles (3 hrs) or so would be about 25 mins. Time for a coffee and a pee
Edited by LowTread on Monday 29th April 18:31
https://www.zap-map.com/ev-stats/how-many-charging...
AstonZagato said:
My Aston can't do more than 300 miles on a tank (and is more like 250). Not a car.
Also, my bladder can't go more than 200 miles (if I'm lucky).
It is unsafe to drive for more than 2 hours according to the Highway Code (Rule 91 of the Code states that a break of at least 15 minutes should be taken every two hours – with regular breaks essential in keeping a driver focused, alert and, above all, safe on the road). That said 90% will drive 3 hours and 58% will drive 4 hours.
That is me buggered then. I did 7 hours of driving yesterday with my longest stint being about 3 and half hours. I did use 160 litres of diesel however when I topped up the tank at the end of the day Also, my bladder can't go more than 200 miles (if I'm lucky).
It is unsafe to drive for more than 2 hours according to the Highway Code (Rule 91 of the Code states that a break of at least 15 minutes should be taken every two hours – with regular breaks essential in keeping a driver focused, alert and, above all, safe on the road). That said 90% will drive 3 hours and 58% will drive 4 hours.
. Highway code is a bit of joke really if it states that. Truckers can do 4.5 hours without a break.
tamore said:
i think you're in for a shock at what ICE vehicles will be worth once EVs are dominant in the sales. oh, and petrol stations either close due to falling demand or convert to charging stations.
That is 100% true and I am not in for a shock as I know it is going to happen and when that time comes in say 10-15 years then that is time to get rid of the ICE and get an EV. At the moment I will continue to enjoy my 2 appreciating ICE cars and my new car that has only lost 10% in a years ownership.
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