EVs... no one wants them!
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TheRainMaker said:
No thanks 
I drove to work in the V8 today, fantastic weather, windows down, looking forward to the drive home
Only a measly 4 cylinder boxer here but lightness and rowing through the gears makes up for it. I drove to work in the V8 today, fantastic weather, windows down, looking forward to the drive home
All the money I "saved" through depreciation compared to the EV I could have bought helps pay for dino juice to keep it going.
Is that the end of the thread then?
Some bloke from Lincolnshire is happily commuting across The Wolds in his ICE car and doesn't want an EV, but has decided that nobody else should have one either?
If that's the case then perhaps he needs to sit back and let everyone else get on with it.
Some bloke from Lincolnshire is happily commuting across The Wolds in his ICE car and doesn't want an EV, but has decided that nobody else should have one either?
If that's the case then perhaps he needs to sit back and let everyone else get on with it.
I'm actually not far from you Bricktop. I've been to evening track events at Cadwell plenty of times in my Clio 200. Raced there a few times, even got a few trophies for my efforts.
Lovely part of the world up there. Relatively undiscovered and not any/many 50 limits.
Been up there on sunday mornings in my old 986 Boxster S, and been across to the coast on my motorbikes.
Enjoy the car.
Lovely part of the world up there. Relatively undiscovered and not any/many 50 limits.
Been up there on sunday mornings in my old 986 Boxster S, and been across to the coast on my motorbikes.
Enjoy the car.
Janluke said:
Just checking, are you saying on a 3 pin lead you can still add 120 miles over night (12 hours)?
If so you're right I hadn't realised that. Can you still get cheaper overnight tariffs without a home charger?
The maximum a 3-pin lead can do is 13 amps although most which come with EVs are limited to 10 amps to give a bit of overhead on the socket and the home circuit.If so you're right I hadn't realised that. Can you still get cheaper overnight tariffs without a home charger?
13 x 230v = 2.99Kw/h. Most Evs do something in the range of 3-4 miles per kwh. So per hour max you could add is 12 miles. In 12 hours you could add 144 miles.
This is absolute maximum. In practice at 10 amps (2.3kw/h) and a little bit of transmission loss and doing 3m/kw you'd be looking at 7 miles range per hour or 84 miles in 12 hours.
BricktopST205 said:
TheRainMaker said:
No thanks
I drove to work in the V8 today, fantastic weather, windows down, looking forward to the drive home
Only a measly 4 cylinder boxer here but lightness and rowing through the gears makes up for it. I drove to work in the V8 today, fantastic weather, windows down, looking forward to the drive home
All the money I "saved" through depreciation compared to the EV I could have bought helps pay for dino juice to keep it going.
confused_buyer said:
Janluke said:
Just checking, are you saying on a 3 pin lead you can still add 120 miles over night (12 hours)?
If so you're right I hadn't realised that. Can you still get cheaper overnight tariffs without a home charger?
The maximum a 3-pin lead can do is 13 amps although most which come with EVs are limited to 10 amps to give a bit of overhead on the socket and the home circuit.If so you're right I hadn't realised that. Can you still get cheaper overnight tariffs without a home charger?
13 x 230v = 2.99Kw/h. Most Evs do something in the range of 3-4 miles per kwh. So per hour max you could add is 12 miles. In 12 hours you could add 144 miles.
This is absolute maximum. In practice at 10 amps (2.3kw/h) and a little bit of transmission loss and doing 3m/kw you'd be looking at 7 miles range per hour or 84 miles in 12 hours.
Has no need for the max range every day, so it works perfectly for her.
DonkeyApple said:
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It'll be interesting to see how BYD open up the U.K. market. Someone like that is a huge potential threat to an ICE manufacturer trying to hit 22% EV sales.
I saw this article and thought of your post. Seems like BYD are indeed setting their sights on the UK/EU market.... It'll be interesting to see how BYD open up the U.K. market. Someone like that is a huge potential threat to an ICE manufacturer trying to hit 22% EV sales.
https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/178894121...
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/05/10/byd-tesla-eu...
Maracus said:
confused_buyer said:
Janluke said:
Just checking, are you saying on a 3 pin lead you can still add 120 miles over night (12 hours)?
If so you're right I hadn't realised that. Can you still get cheaper overnight tariffs without a home charger?
The maximum a 3-pin lead can do is 13 amps although most which come with EVs are limited to 10 amps to give a bit of overhead on the socket and the home circuit.If so you're right I hadn't realised that. Can you still get cheaper overnight tariffs without a home charger?
13 x 230v = 2.99Kw/h. Most Evs do something in the range of 3-4 miles per kwh. So per hour max you could add is 12 miles. In 12 hours you could add 144 miles.
This is absolute maximum. In practice at 10 amps (2.3kw/h) and a little bit of transmission loss and doing 3m/kw you'd be looking at 7 miles range per hour or 84 miles in 12 hours.
Has no need for the max range every day, so it works perfectly for her.
Octopus gives you 23:30-05:30 by default, so you're only adding ~50 miles per night.
However, Intelligent Octopus will give you more hours than that. I often saw 15-16 hours of cheap rate, which applies for the whole house, so long as Octopus are the ones initiating the charging. If you start it yourself then that doesn't count.
It's entirely possible to live with an EV on a 3 pin unless you're doing back-to-back days of 100+miles.
LowTread said:
You'll add around 8 miles per hour on a 3 pin.
Octopus gives you 23:30-05:30 by default, so you're only adding ~50 miles per night.
However, Intelligent Octopus will give you more hours than that. I often saw 15-16 hours of cheap rate, which applies for the whole house, so long as Octopus are the ones initiating the charging. If you start it yourself then that doesn't count.
It's entirely possible to live with an EV on a 3 pin unless you're doing back-to-back days of 100+miles.
It adds 10 miles an hour whilst it's plugged in, which is not restricted to the Octo Intelligent hours for them. It just gets plugged in.Octopus gives you 23:30-05:30 by default, so you're only adding ~50 miles per night.
However, Intelligent Octopus will give you more hours than that. I often saw 15-16 hours of cheap rate, which applies for the whole house, so long as Octopus are the ones initiating the charging. If you start it yourself then that doesn't count.
It's entirely possible to live with an EV on a 3 pin unless you're doing back-to-back days of 100+miles.
The 6 hours is enough for me on the 7kW wall box.
MightyBadger said:
Muzzer79 said:
Hate to break it to you but the days of Performance ICE cars with 3 pedals and a 6 speed are soon to be behind us.
You can't fight progress. Embrace it
If I only last another 10 years on this planet it will be ICE all the way, there will be no embracing of EVs here.You can't fight progress. Embrace it
We'll see.
You may need very deep pockets.
Given how so many new cars are to fleets in this country, and hence quite a few people who buy used cars in this country (whether 10 year sheds or 3 year old cars) have bought a used car that when new was procured by a fleet somewhere in the UK.
So, given the direction of travel in terms of electrification of fleets, it's likely that even in 5-10 years time, the number of ex fleet petrol/diesel cars coming onto the market will be substantially lower than 2024. I personally think the average age of ICE vehicles in this country will get older and older as private individuals will find it harder to upgrade to a relatively newer used ICE car in the future.
Excerpt is from Lex Autolease report on future of transport.
"While there is no definitive data on the total size of UK fleets, the number of new vehicles registered was up 39% in 20239 and EVs continued to be a popular choice – three in four new models in November last year were registered to fleets.
According to our latest findings, the majority (86%) of fleet managers surveyed said they had maintained or increased the number of EVs in their fleet over the previous 12 months, up from 66% in the last survey.
Given that the switch to EVs is legislated in British law, it’s no surprise to learn that every fleet manager (100%) surveyed said their fleet will ultimately be fully electric.
But it’s heartening to see them going above and beyond their legal obligations, with full fleet electrification forecast in an average of four years, down from seven years in the previous survey.
To gather representative data, Lex Autolease commissioned independent market research consultancy Censuswide to survey 100 UK business fleet managers/decision makers in businesses with fleets of 100+ cars. It also separately surveyed 1,214 private UK drivers. All surveys took place between 29 November and 6 December 2023."
https://www.lexautolease.co.uk/content/bbp/reposit...
So, given the direction of travel in terms of electrification of fleets, it's likely that even in 5-10 years time, the number of ex fleet petrol/diesel cars coming onto the market will be substantially lower than 2024. I personally think the average age of ICE vehicles in this country will get older and older as private individuals will find it harder to upgrade to a relatively newer used ICE car in the future.
Excerpt is from Lex Autolease report on future of transport.
"While there is no definitive data on the total size of UK fleets, the number of new vehicles registered was up 39% in 20239 and EVs continued to be a popular choice – three in four new models in November last year were registered to fleets.
According to our latest findings, the majority (86%) of fleet managers surveyed said they had maintained or increased the number of EVs in their fleet over the previous 12 months, up from 66% in the last survey.
Given that the switch to EVs is legislated in British law, it’s no surprise to learn that every fleet manager (100%) surveyed said their fleet will ultimately be fully electric.
But it’s heartening to see them going above and beyond their legal obligations, with full fleet electrification forecast in an average of four years, down from seven years in the previous survey.
To gather representative data, Lex Autolease commissioned independent market research consultancy Censuswide to survey 100 UK business fleet managers/decision makers in businesses with fleets of 100+ cars. It also separately surveyed 1,214 private UK drivers. All surveys took place between 29 November and 6 December 2023."
https://www.lexautolease.co.uk/content/bbp/reposit...
limpsfield said:
nickfrog said:
^ and that's the problem right there with EVs. None of them are available as used cars, once depreciation has taken its toll.
Exactly. I think they all spontaneously combust after three years. It’s a shame. Bloke from Lincolnshire has cracked it basically.
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