EVs... no one wants them!
Discussion
CG2020UK said:
Spot on.
Few EVs are getting 4 miles per kWh as well.
Model Y or BMW IX is 3.1 mi/kWh. Works out at 30mpg for petrol.
Mercedes EQC down in the 2.5 range is under 25mpg.
Inside EV have a good table with average mi/kWh in the US.
https://insideevs.com/news/709706/electric-cars-en...
Those examples are not really your average Fiesta/Focus competitor.Few EVs are getting 4 miles per kWh as well.
Model Y or BMW IX is 3.1 mi/kWh. Works out at 30mpg for petrol.
Mercedes EQC down in the 2.5 range is under 25mpg.
Inside EV have a good table with average mi/kWh in the US.
https://insideevs.com/news/709706/electric-cars-en...
Leaf will do 4.2 miles per kWh. We need a better range of EV shopping hatchbacks for Fred Bloggs of Surbiton to take this seriously. But the manufacturers have been focussing on big fast sports things.
Nissan's next thing is Ariya, bigger than the Leaf.
Tesla Model3 is (to me) about the same size as an Insignia.
Kia/Hyundai have EV6, EV9, Ioniq5 & 6, and not a lot in the small sector (Soul?). EV3 coming soon though.
ID3 is a sensible size, but we've had to wait years for the ID2. meanwhile we have ID4 and ID5.
Same everywhere.
M4cruiser said:
Those examples are not really your average Fiesta/Focus competitor.
Leaf will do 4.2 miles per kWh. We need a better range of EV shopping hatchbacks for Fred Bloggs of Surbiton to take this seriously. But the manufacturers have been focussing on big fast sports things.
Nissan's next thing is Ariya, bigger than the Leaf.
Tesla Model3 is (to me) about the same size as an Insignia.
Kia/Hyundai have EV6, EV9, Ioniq5 & 6, and not a lot in the small sector (Soul?). EV3 coming soon though.
ID3 is a sensible size, but we've had to wait years for the ID2. meanwhile we have ID4 and ID5.
Same everywhere.
hoping the R5 kickstarts thisLeaf will do 4.2 miles per kWh. We need a better range of EV shopping hatchbacks for Fred Bloggs of Surbiton to take this seriously. But the manufacturers have been focussing on big fast sports things.
Nissan's next thing is Ariya, bigger than the Leaf.
Tesla Model3 is (to me) about the same size as an Insignia.
Kia/Hyundai have EV6, EV9, Ioniq5 & 6, and not a lot in the small sector (Soul?). EV3 coming soon though.
ID3 is a sensible size, but we've had to wait years for the ID2. meanwhile we have ID4 and ID5.
Same everywhere.
tamore said:
hoping the R5 kickstarts this
Princess Diana had an R5. So it really depends on whether Fred Bloggs from Surbo thinks this is a priapismic reckoning or a French insult to the true heir to the English throne. The future rests in the hands of the Express and what they decide their potato people must think. Tough call. People's Princess or Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys. Meanwhile, I suspect a lot of blokes in their 50s will be buying them as gifts for their other half like they once bought a skateboard for their mother.
M4cruiser said:
CG2020UK said:
Spot on.
Few EVs are getting 4 miles per kWh as well.
Model Y or BMW IX is 3.1 mi/kWh. Works out at 30mpg for petrol.
Mercedes EQC down in the 2.5 range is under 25mpg.
Inside EV have a good table with average mi/kWh in the US.
https://insideevs.com/news/709706/electric-cars-en...
Those examples are not really your average Fiesta/Focus competitor.Few EVs are getting 4 miles per kWh as well.
Model Y or BMW IX is 3.1 mi/kWh. Works out at 30mpg for petrol.
Mercedes EQC down in the 2.5 range is under 25mpg.
Inside EV have a good table with average mi/kWh in the US.
https://insideevs.com/news/709706/electric-cars-en...
Leaf will do 4.2 miles per kWh. We need a better range of EV shopping hatchbacks for Fred Bloggs of Surbiton to take this seriously. But the manufacturers have been focussing on big fast sports things.
Nissan's next thing is Ariya, bigger than the Leaf.
Tesla Model3 is (to me) about the same size as an Insignia.
Kia/Hyundai have EV6, EV9, Ioniq5 & 6, and not a lot in the small sector (Soul?). EV3 coming soon though.
ID3 is a sensible size, but we've had to wait years for the ID2. meanwhile we have ID4 and ID5.
Same everywhere.
If my maths is right that’s around £315 which would get me circa 46 gallons or 240 mpg.
I’m currently on holiday and my drive to Heathrow and back will be 270 miles which is more than a single charge, so stopped at Reading services for convenience. I topped up costing me £29.33 (think it was 72p per kw) so in total the journey will cost around £34.93 or the equivalent of 52 mpg.
My man maths might be wrong!
nickfrog said:
loudlashadjuster said:
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We have had two mpg equivalent figures for the EQC at 25mpg and 240mpg. Which is the correct one? Or are they both wrong?.
Apologies if I have missed something?
Let's say a gallon costs £6.75
2.8 miles per KW at 7.5p per KW.
7.5p is 1.11% of £6.75 (a gallon)
In order to get 2.8 miles from 1.11% of a gallon, a car would need to do 2.8 / 1.11% = 252mpg.
M4cruiser said:
The assertiveness over purchase choice in this thread is because the government is mandating it (for new ones anyway). That always makes us angry.
Just imagine what would happen if the government said from 2035 you can't buy a new dog, you must buy a cat instead if you want a pet. Dog owners would be all over threads like this justifying why a dog is much better than a cat.
Maybe they should. I'm sure I read somewhere that a large dog can have a bigger carbon footprint than the average car!Just imagine what would happen if the government said from 2035 you can't buy a new dog, you must buy a cat instead if you want a pet. Dog owners would be all over threads like this justifying why a dog is much better than a cat.
Can't see it being a vote winner with the nation's 10 million dog owners, though. But in a way it illustrates that gradually forcing new car buyers into EVs is the easy bit. Harder and more costly choices lie ahead.
number2 said:
The 240 (ish) mpg one.
Let's say a gallon costs £6.75
2.8 miles per KW at 7.5p per KW.
7.5p is 1.11% of £6.75 (a gallon)
In order to get 2.8 miles from 1.11% of a gallon, a car would need to do 2.8 / 1.11% = 252mpg.
As an EV agnostic, but an avid reader of this thread, this is an unhelpful and confusing comparison. The issue being, as highlighted subsequently, that the conversion factor relies upon the price of electricity which, it seems, can vary by up to 1000%. Let's say a gallon costs £6.75
2.8 miles per KW at 7.5p per KW.
7.5p is 1.11% of £6.75 (a gallon)
In order to get 2.8 miles from 1.11% of a gallon, a car would need to do 2.8 / 1.11% = 252mpg.
While this remains the case, no wonder the argument can’t be settled. Imagine if petrol/diesel prices varied from £1.59/litre at the local supermarket up to £15.90 on the motorway.
griffter said:
number2 said:
The 240 (ish) mpg one.
Let's say a gallon costs £6.75
2.8 miles per KW at 7.5p per KW.
7.5p is 1.11% of £6.75 (a gallon)
In order to get 2.8 miles from 1.11% of a gallon, a car would need to do 2.8 / 1.11% = 252mpg.
As an EV agnostic, but an avid reader of this thread, this is an unhelpful and confusing comparison. The issue being, as highlighted subsequently, that the conversion factor relies upon the price of electricity which, it seems, can vary by up to 1000%. Let's say a gallon costs £6.75
2.8 miles per KW at 7.5p per KW.
7.5p is 1.11% of £6.75 (a gallon)
In order to get 2.8 miles from 1.11% of a gallon, a car would need to do 2.8 / 1.11% = 252mpg.
While this remains the case, no wonder the argument can’t be settled. Imagine if petrol/diesel prices varied from £1.59/litre at the local supermarket up to £15.90 on the motorway.
There are 2 forms of charging, public and private. The costs vary by 10x but the cost of each is actually fairly stable, more so than petrol as you tend to fix your domestic electricity prices for a year at a time.
The cost of public chargers is too high, yes, but don’t invent issues that are not real!
Also it’s like a petrol car that a lot of the time you can fill up at home at a 90% discount and you’re telling us that’s worse, really?
Edited by 740EVTORQUES on Saturday 25th May 08:44
griffter said:
number2 said:
The 240 (ish) mpg one.
Let's say a gallon costs £6.75
2.8 miles per KW at 7.5p per KW.
7.5p is 1.11% of £6.75 (a gallon)
In order to get 2.8 miles from 1.11% of a gallon, a car would need to do 2.8 / 1.11% = 252mpg.
As an EV agnostic, but an avid reader of this thread, this is an unhelpful and confusing comparison. The issue being, as highlighted subsequently, that the conversion factor relies upon the price of electricity which, it seems, can vary by up to 1000%. Let's say a gallon costs £6.75
2.8 miles per KW at 7.5p per KW.
7.5p is 1.11% of £6.75 (a gallon)
In order to get 2.8 miles from 1.11% of a gallon, a car would need to do 2.8 / 1.11% = 252mpg.
While this remains the case, no wonder the argument can’t be settled. Imagine if petrol/diesel prices varied from £1.59/litre at the local supermarket up to £15.90 on the motorway.
The comparison depends on the cost of energy - electricity or petrol/diesel, and the efficiency of a car - that's quite obvious. Anyone can update it and test sensitivities if it's important to them.
The argument you mention that isn't settled is one I'm not part of. I'm here for the maths, I'm not confused in the slightest about EVs
.nickfrog said:
Isn't Octopus 7.5p tariff available to anyone with a home charger?
Unfortunately not. You need a "compatible charging system", which basically means either certain cars or a certain chargers that Octupus can integrate with.If you click this link and then the button "I am eligible" it will tell you if your setup is compatible.
https://octopus.energy/smart/intelligent-octopus-g...
Anyone with a smart meter can get EDF Go which is 8p/ kWh for 6 hours overnight and a slightly higher daytime rate of 36p (which if you have solar plus batteries you will hardly use.) our car costs 2.5p/ mile using this so it’s a big saving. The Zappi charger just handles it all (car is a KIA)
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