EVs... no one wants them!
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moktabe said:
DonkeyApple said:
A spot of conscription would up your chippy retort game. 
How do you know I haven't already?.
But it's your right to self identify as a gammon or to leap to their defence so do crack on.
DonkeyApple said:
DonkeyApple said:
Saweep said:
It's a shame they didn't engineer it for both powertrains; I'm sure that must have been possible.
They're a very striking looking car that although not my cup of tea, I can see why plenty of folks would want one.
I've not followed the product at all bar seeing the ThrottleHouse video. They're a very striking looking car that although not my cup of tea, I can see why plenty of folks would want one.
My wild guess is that as it's a BMW product and their mainstream stuff currently shares powertrains for sensible cost sharing that they saw with RR there was the margin to do a pure EV model which could then filter into the 7 series and SUVs later? Just guessing.
Harry likes it as a car and is especially impressed by the dynamics....despite not being able to see his driveway posts, which must be annoying around town. That's where the range, that he says is approx 250, will be the downfall of the car to me.
It's fun to drive but no use as a long distance cruiser. Around town is where it is in its element therefore, one would think...but it's clearly too unwieldy and massive to make that experience relaxing.
The car in the video is expected by the finance company to depreciate from 440k to 180k in 3 years. Not an unheard of % for a car in this sector of course, but the rrp makes that a punchy ownership cost!
I doubt this will be taking many Cullinan sales.
Another 100miles of range and it would make an interesting purchase for many I'm sure.
DonkeyApple said:
You wouldn't have had an over emotional outburst on a thread that few are really taking all that seriously, would be the best guess.
But it's your right to self identify as a gammon or to leap to their defence so do crack on.
I'm so pleased to have your approval, it's made my day complete.But it's your right to self identify as a gammon or to leap to their defence so do crack on.
Saweep said:
Thanks, just watched it.
Harry likes it as a car and is especially impressed by the dynamics....despite not being able to see his driveway posts, which must be annoying around town. That's where the range, that he says is approx 250, will be the downfall of the car to me.
It's fun to drive but no use as a long distance cruiser. Around town is where it is in its element therefore, one would think...but it's clearly too unwieldy and massive to make that experience relaxing.
The car in the video is expected by the finance company to depreciate from 440k to 180k in 3 years. Not an unheard of % for a car in this sector of course, but the rrp makes that a punchy ownership cost!
I doubt this will be taking many Cullinan sales.
Another 100miles of range and it would make an interesting purchase for many I'm sure.
Yup. That said, BMW have 25 years of customer data as to how their cars are really used and I'd guess that it may not be any kind of real issue. Harry likes it as a car and is especially impressed by the dynamics....despite not being able to see his driveway posts, which must be annoying around town. That's where the range, that he says is approx 250, will be the downfall of the car to me.
It's fun to drive but no use as a long distance cruiser. Around town is where it is in its element therefore, one would think...but it's clearly too unwieldy and massive to make that experience relaxing.
The car in the video is expected by the finance company to depreciate from 440k to 180k in 3 years. Not an unheard of % for a car in this sector of course, but the rrp makes that a punchy ownership cost!
I doubt this will be taking many Cullinan sales.
Another 100miles of range and it would make an interesting purchase for many I'm sure.
There is a Phantom that has pounded up and down the M40 for years but almost all the other ones I've seen are just pottering around Town and the Home Counties. And I'd be surprised if there weren't other cars should a longer drive be required or just use an airfield etc? Maybe more of an issue in markets like the US? But ideal for a commute still?
D4rez said:
It’s the perfect powertrain for a Rolls Royce customer. Low mileage users, quiet and powerful, sustainable…. I’m sure there are flippers and demo spec cars for sale by now.
Out of interest I went to look at the Spectres on Autotrader. There’s about 20 of them, all by one are dealer sales with very few miles (less than 1000) on and nearly all are VAT qualifying. The one private sale is in Leicester and they want over 400k for it. That’s an odd one. But anyway, I wouldn’t say sales of any Rolls Royce model are in any way reflective of the larger market.
DonkeyApple said:
I've not followed the product at all bar seeing the ThrottleHouse video.
My wild guess is that as it's a BMW product and their mainstream stuff currently shares powertrains for sensible cost sharing that they saw with RR there was the margin to do a pure EV model which could then filter into the 7 series and SUVs later? Just guessing.
https://www.bmw.co.uk/en/all-models/bmw-i/i7/2022/bmw-i7-saloon-highlights.htmlMy wild guess is that as it's a BMW product and their mainstream stuff currently shares powertrains for sensible cost sharing that they saw with RR there was the margin to do a pure EV model which could then filter into the 7 series and SUVs later? Just guessing.
But if the Spectre reviews are to be believed they don’t share any powertrain
Saweep said:
Harry likes it as a car and is especially impressed by the dynamics....despite not being able to see his driveway posts, which must be annoying around town. That's where the range, that he says is approx 250, will be the downfall of the car to me.
It's fun to drive but no use as a long distance cruiser.
Rolls Royce say they conducted customer surveys before building Spectre. Overall, all potential customers said the range was fine. Any further they’d use their helicopter. It's fun to drive but no use as a long distance cruiser.
DonkeyApple said:
Saweep said:
Thanks, just watched it.
Harry likes it as a car and is especially impressed by the dynamics....despite not being able to see his driveway posts, which must be annoying around town. That's where the range, that he says is approx 250, will be the downfall of the car to me.
It's fun to drive but no use as a long distance cruiser. Around town is where it is in its element therefore, one would think...but it's clearly too unwieldy and massive to make that experience relaxing.
The car in the video is expected by the finance company to depreciate from 440k to 180k in 3 years. Not an unheard of % for a car in this sector of course, but the rrp makes that a punchy ownership cost!
I doubt this will be taking many Cullinan sales.
Another 100miles of range and it would make an interesting purchase for many I'm sure.
Yup. That said, BMW have 25 years of customer data as to how their cars are really used and I'd guess that it may not be any kind of real issue. Harry likes it as a car and is especially impressed by the dynamics....despite not being able to see his driveway posts, which must be annoying around town. That's where the range, that he says is approx 250, will be the downfall of the car to me.
It's fun to drive but no use as a long distance cruiser. Around town is where it is in its element therefore, one would think...but it's clearly too unwieldy and massive to make that experience relaxing.
The car in the video is expected by the finance company to depreciate from 440k to 180k in 3 years. Not an unheard of % for a car in this sector of course, but the rrp makes that a punchy ownership cost!
I doubt this will be taking many Cullinan sales.
Another 100miles of range and it would make an interesting purchase for many I'm sure.
There is a Phantom that has pounded up and down the M40 for years but almost all the other ones I've seen are just pottering around Town and the Home Counties. And I'd be surprised if there weren't other cars should a longer drive be required or just use an airfield etc? Maybe more of an issue in markets like the US? But ideal for a commute still?
The younger, on their way up rich here in the Midlands seem to me to want one car that does it all, and that car should be an SUV, hence the popularity of the Cullinan. Supercars are out of fashion and you rarely see anyone under 50 in a Conti GT or a Wraith.
My gut feeling is these are gonna be the depreciation king in 6-12 months (something the Cullinan and other RR models bar the Phantom seem to have avoided).
Scrimpton said:
KingGary said:
I find it’s normally the insecure people who accuse others of being insecure. 
Anyway, it comes down to personal choice and some of us just don’t want an EV yet. This thread is dominated by people wanting to save money, the main reason for driving one, and for many of us, it’s not a priority.
I probably will get one one day, but only when the technology is a bit better.
I'd pay extra to avoid petrol for a day to day wagon. I'd pay double never to have to drive a skanky diesel. The cheapness is a bonus not the main motivation. Anyway, it comes down to personal choice and some of us just don’t want an EV yet. This thread is dominated by people wanting to save money, the main reason for driving one, and for many of us, it’s not a priority.I probably will get one one day, but only when the technology is a bit better.
Saweep said:
I'm just not sure I believe the "All RR customers have 7 other cars" alongside "The average age is 42 for new car buyers".
The younger, on their way up rich here in the Midlands seem to me to want one car that does it all, and that car should be an SUV, hence the popularity of the Cullinan. Supercars are out of fashion and you rarely see anyone under 50 in a Conti GT or a Wraith.
My gut feeling is these are gonna be the depreciation king in 6-12 months (something the Cullinan and other RR models bar the Phantom seem to have avoided).
I guess the '7 cars' is just a play with stats. For example, the Sultan of Brunei has a few hundred cars and I'd wager more than a few RR customers also have large collections. Add in the chaps in flats with Wraith in an NCP and you get that high average but one where few actually have 8 cars?The younger, on their way up rich here in the Midlands seem to me to want one car that does it all, and that car should be an SUV, hence the popularity of the Cullinan. Supercars are out of fashion and you rarely see anyone under 50 in a Conti GT or a Wraith.
My gut feeling is these are gonna be the depreciation king in 6-12 months (something the Cullinan and other RR models bar the Phantom seem to have avoided).
The age thing could just have been re the Wraith type products where in London I've not noticed anyone my age or older with them. But it may be that something like the Asian and tech bro client base slaps the average down across the brand?
They may well have some interesting depreciation, either way, any competent third party lender would definitely make sure there was a very good safety margin. Especially as the buyers are of the demographic who are classically impossible to get to settle their debts and love the 'all my money is tied up at the moment so you'll have to wait' line.
. I learned to never lend to that segment over twenty years ago, very luckily before the credit crunch or Is have been bankrupted by them. climate-emergency said:
The problem with Electric Cars is that you are not allowed say anything or question them without having the words tin foil and conspiracy theorist associate against you. Electric cars with batteries approaching a tonne charged up with fossil fuel, struggling to get 300 miles range. They all seem to be floundering around driving at 40 too, so much for progress. The cynic in me says because they are basically digital devices nowadays they are much easier to control.. and we have seen at first hand how that's going
What was your previous username soft scoop?climate-emergency said:
The problem with Electric Cars is that you are not allowed say anything or question them without having the words tin foil and conspiracy theorist associate against you. Electric cars with batteries approaching a tonne charged up with fossil fuel, struggling to get 300 miles range. They all seem to be floundering around driving at 40 too, so much for progress. The cynic in me says because they are basically digital devices nowadays they are much easier to control.. and we have seen at first hand how that's going
doing well on that bingo card above!climate-emergency said:
The problem with Electric Cars is that you are not allowed say anything or question them without having the words tin foil and conspiracy theorist associate against you. Electric cars with batteries approaching a tonne charged up with fossil fuel, struggling to get 300 miles range. They all seem to be floundering around driving at 40 too, so much for progress. The cynic in me says because they are basically digital devices nowadays they are much easier to control.. and we have seen at first hand how that's going
There's no problem with electric cars, everyone is very aware of their benefits & limitations, very similar to diesel cars, which are often criticised too.The simple answer as always is to buy the drivetrain that suits YOUR needs end of. Criticising someone who buys one because it suits them is where the problem is.
Are they the be all & end all answer? Of course they're not but they are a decent alternative for certain usage in the same way a diesel/diesel hybrid drivetrain is a good option for others & a petrol/petrol hybrid covers most bases.
KingGary said:
Scrimpton said:
KingGary said:
I find it’s normally the insecure people who accuse others of being insecure. Anyway, it comes down to personal choice and some of us just don’t want an EV yet. This thread is dominated by people wanting to save money, the main reason for driving one, and for many of us, it’s not a priority.
I probably will get one one day, but only when the technology is a bit better.
I'd pay extra to avoid petrol for a day to day wagon. I'd pay double never to have to drive a skanky diesel. The cheapness is a bonus not the main motivation. Anyway, it comes down to personal choice and some of us just don’t want an EV yet. This thread is dominated by people wanting to save money, the main reason for driving one, and for many of us, it’s not a priority.I probably will get one one day, but only when the technology is a bit better.
That they save money is nice but it’s not the main reason for getting one, not in my case at least.
KingGary said:
Scrimpton said:
KingGary said:
I find it’s normally the insecure people who accuse others of being insecure. Anyway, it comes down to personal choice and some of us just don’t want an EV yet. This thread is dominated by people wanting to save money, the main reason for driving one, and for many of us, it’s not a priority.
I probably will get one one day, but only when the technology is a bit better.
I'd pay extra to avoid petrol for a day to day wagon. I'd pay double never to have to drive a skanky diesel. The cheapness is a bonus not the main motivation. Anyway, it comes down to personal choice and some of us just don’t want an EV yet. This thread is dominated by people wanting to save money, the main reason for driving one, and for many of us, it’s not a priority.I probably will get one one day, but only when the technology is a bit better.
Scrimpton said:
KingGary said:
Scrimpton said:
KingGary said:
I find it’s normally the insecure people who accuse others of being insecure. Anyway, it comes down to personal choice and some of us just don’t want an EV yet. This thread is dominated by people wanting to save money, the main reason for driving one, and for many of us, it’s not a priority.
I probably will get one one day, but only when the technology is a bit better.
I'd pay extra to avoid petrol for a day to day wagon. I'd pay double never to have to drive a skanky diesel. The cheapness is a bonus not the main motivation. Anyway, it comes down to personal choice and some of us just don’t want an EV yet. This thread is dominated by people wanting to save money, the main reason for driving one, and for many of us, it’s not a priority.I probably will get one one day, but only when the technology is a bit better.
Jk89 said:
Don’t know much about EV’s as they don’t interest me, but Taycans look good value and extended warranty seems cheap.
Are they a bad EV?
Hard trying to find balanced opinions on EV’s because they are so polarising.
shouldn't be hard to bag a decent test drive. make your own mind up. surely better than getting the opinion of internet guys and girls? and you know, the ones who are a bit of both.Are they a bad EV?
Hard trying to find balanced opinions on EV’s because they are so polarising.
Jk89 said:
Don’t know much about EV’s as they don’t interest me, but Taycans look good value and extended warranty seems cheap.
Are they a bad EV?
Hard trying to find balanced opinions on EV’s because they are so polarising.
Friend of mine has a Sport Turismo 4s. Loves the handling. As a used buy they make a lot of sense. For me personally, I think they are a bit too wide for UK roads. If was spending £50k+ on a used Taycan, and I didn't need the more practical Sport Turismo bodyshape, I think I would get the e-tron GT instead as I prefer the looks. But if you wanted to tip a toe into the EV waters, you can get most of the performance (if not the handling) at half the price buying a Model 3 LR and adding Acceleration Boost.Are they a bad EV?
Hard trying to find balanced opinions on EV’s because they are so polarising.
tamore said:
climate-emergency said:
The problem with Electric Cars is that you are not allowed say anything or question them without having the words tin foil and conspiracy theorist associate against you. Electric cars with batteries approaching a tonne charged up with fossil fuel, struggling to get 300 miles range. They all seem to be floundering around driving at 40 too, so much for progress. The cynic in me says because they are basically digital devices nowadays they are much easier to control.. and we have seen at first hand how that's going
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