EVs... no one wants them!

[barryrs]

superlightr said:

of e-fuels sound like the way forward.

I think these will be taxed so heavily that it will only be available to those that can afford it.

[starsky67]

barryrs said:

superlightr said:

of e-fuels sound like the way forward.

I think these will be taxed so heavily that it will only be available to those that can afford it.

There is no exemption for eFuels planned in the UK, so it's not an issue. It also makes the financial case for European manufacturers developing a range of cars that will not be able to be sold in the UK much less certain, and of course if you buy one in Europe you will not be able to drive it into the UK as there won't be any synthetic fuel on sale anyway.

[Macron]

skinnyman said:

How will this work practically? Could we end up in a situation whereby I'm in a dealership being told I'm not allowed to buy a petrol car because the dealership has missed their quota?

Yes, absolutely.

Some manufacturers, generally the dinosaurs, might say "fk the UK" as a result. Why bother when we make it hard and they have other markets?

[TheRainMaker]

Macron said:

skinnyman said:

How will this work practically? Could we end up in a situation whereby I'm in a dealership being told I'm not allowed to buy a petrol car because the dealership has missed their quota?

Yes, absolutely.

Some manufacturers, generally the dinosaurs, might say "fk the UK" as a result. Why bother when we make it hard and they have other markets?

New car sales in the UK will drop through the floor, the uptake on EVs has slowed right down, it will be interesting to see how many they shifted last month.

[Essarell]

I wonder how the upcoming bank holiday weekend is going to play out? Will we see similar scenes at the charging stations as Christmas ? This will be the real test for EV ownership, how well they work in real useage not just getting a company car driver to and from their respective free workplace charging station

[The Rotrex Kid]

TheRainMaker said:

Macron said:

skinnyman said:

How will this work practically? Could we end up in a situation whereby I'm in a dealership being told I'm not allowed to buy a petrol car because the dealership has missed their quota?

Yes, absolutely.

Some manufacturers, generally the dinosaurs, might say "fk the UK" as a result. Why bother when we make it hard and they have other markets?

New car sales in the UK will drop through the floor, the uptake on EVs has slowed right down, it will be interesting to see how many they shifted last month.

As someone ‘on the ground’ getting a battering from a manufacturer about EV sales, I too am very, very interested to see how many EV have sold this quarter overall.

[confused_buyer]

Macron said:

Yes, absolutely.

Some manufacturers, generally the dinosaurs, might say "fk the UK" as a result. Why bother when we make it hard and they have other markets?

I believe Europe has similar quotas and next year's Euro 7 will make many current ICEs uneconomic as well.

[confused_buyer]

The Rotrex Kid said:

As someone ‘on the ground’ getting a battering from a manufacturer about EV sales, I too am very, very interested to see how many EV have sold this quarter overall.

I don't suppose it has occured to any of the manufacturers that maybe they just asking too much money for the bloody things?

No, probably not.

[The Rotrex Kid]

confused_buyer said:

The Rotrex Kid said:

As someone ‘on the ground’ getting a battering from a manufacturer about EV sales, I too am very, very interested to see how many EV have sold this quarter overall.

I don't suppose it has occured to any of the manufacturers that maybe they just asking too much money for the bloody things?

No, probably not.

Very, very unlikely

[HTP99]

The Rotrex Kid said:

confused_buyer said:

The Rotrex Kid said:

As someone ‘on the ground’ getting a battering from a manufacturer about EV sales, I too am very, very interested to see how many EV have sold this quarter overall.

I don't suppose it has occured to any of the manufacturers that maybe they just asking too much money for the bloody things?

No, probably not.

Very, very unlikely

I do wonder about the pricing, a Megane E-Tech or ID.3 is circa £40k, the MG4 is a significant amount cheaper but MG is heavily subsidised by the Chinese government, a bespoke electric platform can't be cheap to develop especially with the relative smaller electric market, compared to an ICE vehicle, yes they are expensive but is this due to the development costs vs market share or are manufacturers just taking the piss and having backed themselves into a corner where they can't just drop the prices to a more acceptable level, not wanting to admit their mistake as they've initially read the room wrong or "it's priced similarly to everything else out there"?!

Edited by HTP99 on Saturday 1st April 19:35

[JAMSXR]

starsky67 said:

There is no exemption for eFuels planned in the UK, so it's not an issue. It also makes the financial case for European manufacturers developing a range of cars that will not be able to be sold in the UK much less certain, and of course if you buy one in Europe you will not be able to drive it into the UK as there won't be any synthetic fuel on sale anyway.

Luckily there will be lots of dino juice available for quite some time.

[Longy00000]

I've come away for a long weekend with the family to a lodge in the arse end of nowhere. They advertise an electric station and they do duly have such a facility.
It caters for 2 cars and I'm not sure at what rate.
However we arrived yesterday, Friday at approx 4.30pm in an ICE ( as i dont trust public charging). The same 2 vehicles which were hooked up on arrival are still hooked up now, Sat evening. FFS , selfish or what. Now I don't need to charge as im in rhe ICE but what if I did? Had I brought our EV we would have been buggered today.
This made me think, if you remain connected and your battery is full ...I'm assuming as you're not drawing any current to charge so it's not costing you anything extra??
If that's the case then an excessive time connection charge could be applied for those who can't be arsed to go and remove their vehicle once done? Just rambling but it peed me off just seeing it and I'm not even affected.

[C G]

Essarell said:

I wonder how the upcoming bank holiday weekend is going to play out? Will we see similar scenes at the charging stations as Christmas ? This will be the real test for EV ownership, how well they work in real useage not just getting a company car driver to and from their respective free workplace charging station

Also, there are thousands of people trying to drive from the UK to France and beyond this weekend. Now stuck in massive delays yet presumably needing to run engines to keep warm enough. This type of use case is probably a problem for an EV.

[The Rotrex Kid]

HTP99 said:

The Rotrex Kid said:

confused_buyer said:

The Rotrex Kid said:

As someone ‘on the ground’ getting a battering from a manufacturer about EV sales, I too am very, very interested to see how many EV have sold this quarter overall.

I don't suppose it has occured to any of the manufacturers that maybe they just asking too much money for the bloody things?

No, probably not.

Very, very unlikely

I do wonder about the pricing, a Megane E-Tech or ID.3 is circa £40k, the MG4 is a significant amount cheaper but MG is heavily subsidised by the Chinese government, a bespoke electric platform can't be cheap to develop especially with the relative smaller electric market, compared to an ICE vehicle, yes they are expensive but is this due to the development costs vs market share or are manufacturers just taking the piss and having backed themselves into a corner where they can't just drop the prices to a more acceptable level, not wanting to admit their mistake as they've initially read the room wrong or "it's priced similarly to everything else out there"?!

Edited by HTP99 on Saturday 1st April 19:35

I think that a lot of the ‘legacy’ manufacturers are relying on their perceived ‘brand’ to support their EV sales, which is a bit foolhardy IMO. When you have a legacy brand EV for £450pm or a Tesla for the same, it takes a lot to say ‘I think I’ll buy the car from the brand who doesn’t have the integration, support, charging network, product knowledge (in showrooms or at manufacturer level!)’ etc etc

I’m sure you know what I mean!

[confused_buyer]

I had a quick scan through some of the new April CAP prices versus March earlier.

Bloody hell is all I can say. Carnage on most of them.

[SpeckledJim]

confused_buyer said:

I had a quick scan through some of the new April CAP prices versus March earlier.

Bloody hell is all I can say. Carnage on most of them.

Can you post a few assorted highlights please?

[The Rotrex Kid]

confused_buyer said:

I had a quick scan through some of the new April CAP prices versus March earlier.

Bloody hell is all I can say. Carnage on most of them.

Yes. I have had that pleasure today on some things as well.

50k miles 2018 Nissan leaf - Dec £15700, Jan £14350, Feb £12800, March £11550, April £10850 (CAP live £10600) So £5k gone since December.

5k miles 2022 Renault ZOE GT line - Dec £22350, Jan £20800, Feb £19000, March £17550, April £15950 (CAP live actually showing £15500!)

[confused_buyer]

The Rotrex Kid said:

Yes. I have had that pleasure today on some things as well.

50k miles 2018 Nissan leaf - Dec £15700, Jan £14350, Feb £12800, March £11550, April £10850 (CAP live £10600) So £5k gone since December.

5k miles 2022 Renault ZOE GT line - Dec £22350, Jan £20800, Feb £19000, March £17550, April £15950 (CAP live actually showing £15500!)

Bearing in mind the CAP prices only officially became "current" on April 1 that Zoe has lost £450 in just over 9 hours.

[anonymous-user]

Ouch, no wonder dealers don't want them, would you want to take one when it is losing £1500+ a month?

[Macron]

Interesting contrast to the two cheapest Model A's on AT.





Those in the know may think "ooh I bet that second one has had a new battery, a new this, that and the other", meanwhile Joe public sees something with those numbers on and it ain't never getting bought.