EVs... no one wants them!
Discussion
Joey Deacon said:
Ouch, no wonder dealers don't want them, would you want to take one when it is losing £1500+ a month?
Sold a 20 plate used ZOE Gt-Line yesterday for £15,500.00, it was advertised for £15,995.00, we paid £19,250.00 for it in October/November 22, the anticipated book drop for April is £1300.00.Interestingly I received an email last month from a customer of mine who's had 2 ZOE's from me, he ordered an ID3 around 18m ago, finally receiving it in March 23, asking if we'd buy his 19 plate 40 kWh battery rental ZOE from him, we declined. I'd been trying to push him into a Megane E-Tech since late last year, there was stock but no he wanted to wait for the ID3.
Anyway I WBAC'd his ZOE yesterday just to see, the reg didn't register so I manually entered the details, for a company who say they take any car, they didn't want his battery rental ZOE, however they will bid on a battery owned version, the "i"; 19 plate ZOE 40kWh with an owned battery, 20,000, miles...... £2800!
We are under strict instructions not to purchase any EV's.
Longy00000 said:
This made me think, if you remain connected and your battery is full ...I'm assuming as you're not drawing any current to charge so it's not costing you anything extra??
If that's the case then an excessive time connection charge could be applied for those who can't be arsed to go and remove their vehicle once done? Just rambling but it peed me off just seeing it and I'm not even affected.
I'm sure that is the case with many public chargers.If that's the case then an excessive time connection charge could be applied for those who can't be arsed to go and remove their vehicle once done? Just rambling but it peed me off just seeing it and I'm not even affected.
I picked up my polestar 2 today. Very impressed so far!!!
And fear not, its only going to lose just over £5k after 2 years and 30k miles,... according to my GFV....
found the pilot assist excellent on the motorway. Acceleration is stupid fast. Harmon kardon stereo very good and the whole Google and Google maps integration is brilliant
skinnyman said:
silent ninja said:
" Car manufacturers will be forced to ration the number of petrol and diesel cars it sells from next year until 2030 when these sales will face an outright ban.
The Government’s Zero Emissions Vehicle mandate (ZEV) will put yearly restrictions on car manufacturers on the proportion of petrol cars they can sell, in a bid to drive up electric vehicle use and hit net zero targets.
With the need for an increased proportion of electric car sales, this will inevitably lead to the production of fewer petrol and diesel cars as manufacturers switch focus.
The much-anticipated ZEV mandate, which is now being consulted on, will require manufacturers to ensure 22 per cent of all new cars sold are electric by the start of next year, with this growing to 80 per cent in 2030.
Carmakers who do not hit their targets, will face fines of £15,000 per car under the target"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/30/ban-pe...
How will this work practically? Could we end up in a situation whereby I'm in a dealership being told I'm not allowed to buy a petrol car because the dealership has missed their quota?The Government’s Zero Emissions Vehicle mandate (ZEV) will put yearly restrictions on car manufacturers on the proportion of petrol cars they can sell, in a bid to drive up electric vehicle use and hit net zero targets.
With the need for an increased proportion of electric car sales, this will inevitably lead to the production of fewer petrol and diesel cars as manufacturers switch focus.
The much-anticipated ZEV mandate, which is now being consulted on, will require manufacturers to ensure 22 per cent of all new cars sold are electric by the start of next year, with this growing to 80 per cent in 2030.
Carmakers who do not hit their targets, will face fines of £15,000 per car under the target"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/30/ban-pe...
Take any of the brands that sell the "same" car in the US and UK and the US will get a bunch of engines we don't even get. 3l V6's where we get a 2l inline 4 etc. It would be trivial for example for Ford to have released a UK Mondeo mk5 with a V6 2.7T but wasn't ever going to happen here.
The interesting engines will be "saved" for the halo cars which will have a **hefty** mark up on them.
So expect it to be that when your brand of choice has used up their allocation for their halo car they'll either just go "nope", stick you down the list for *next" years allocation or go, sure, that'll be £20k[1] extra please.
[1] I would fully expect those who go down *that* route to just add the fine plus a bit more on.
The Rotrex Kid said:
Yes. I have had that pleasure today on some things as well.
50k miles 2018 Nissan leaf - Dec £15700, Jan £14350, Feb £12800, March £11550, April £10850 (CAP live £10600) So £5k gone since December.
5k miles 2022 Renault ZOE GT line - Dec £22350, Jan £20800, Feb £19000, March £17550, April £15950 (CAP live actually showing £15500!)
Aren't most of these just falling into line with expected deprecation of mainstream cars prior to COVID?50k miles 2018 Nissan leaf - Dec £15700, Jan £14350, Feb £12800, March £11550, April £10850 (CAP live £10600) So £5k gone since December.
5k miles 2022 Renault ZOE GT line - Dec £22350, Jan £20800, Feb £19000, March £17550, April £15950 (CAP live actually showing £15500!)
The bubble couldn't last forever, there are only so many people that can afford to premium prices for an average car. Now that EV's aren't exactly shiny and new anymore.
WonkeyDonkey said:
Aren't most of these just falling into line with expected deprecation of mainstream cars prior to COVID?
The bubble couldn't last forever, there are only so many people that can afford to premium prices for an average car. Now that EV's aren't exactly shiny and new anymore.
This is what I was expecting to happen across the entire car market, but for some reason it’s focused just on EVs.The bubble couldn't last forever, there are only so many people that can afford to premium prices for an average car. Now that EV's aren't exactly shiny and new anymore.
ICE cars are still hugely inflated in price.
covmutley said:
I picked up my polestar 2 today. Very impressed so far!!!
And fear not, its only going to lose just over £5k after 2 years and 30k miles,... according to my GFV....
found the pilot assist excellent on the motorway. Acceleration is stupid fast. Harmon kardon stereo very good and the whole Google and Google maps integration is brilliant
Essarell said:
I wonder how the upcoming bank holiday weekend is going to play out? Will we see similar scenes at the charging stations as Christmas ? This will be the real test for EV ownership, how well they work in real useage not just getting a company car driver to and from their respective free workplace charging station
This is the Spring & Summer of reality, if EV sales are low now his help them when the pictures of 50 car queues at Rugby are all over the news. Our £200 a month Ioniq goes back soon, it’s been wonderful apart from when we tried Wirral to St Albans and back - that was horrific I think we will replace with a Chinese something as my wife doesn’t care.
soupdragon1 said:
covmutley said:
I picked up my polestar 2 today. Very impressed so far!!!
And fear not, its only going to lose just over £5k after 2 years and 30k miles,... according to my GFV....
found the pilot assist excellent on the motorway. Acceleration is stupid fast. Harmon kardon stereo very good and the whole Google and Google maps integration is brilliant
t happening. Although to get to where we we've seen some really weird st... Jaguar99 said:
Even at £150 per hour, what are they spending all those hours actually servicing/checking? We already established they checked the tyres. Brakes unlikely to be very worn on an EV. Washer fluid and wiper blades? Body corrosion check? Software updates? Doesn’t sound like many hours work to me.
It's because the dealers can't up-sell anything (AKA wallet flushing), so they just charge more for the base service.The normal things a garage will suggest such as coolant and transmission flushes, new belts and hoses etc. can't be sold anymore because an EV doesn't have any. Garages need to make up for that lost potential profit.
Pepperpots said:
TheRainMaker said:
covmutley said:
Whoever did that is going to lose a fortune, mine has lost 29k in 14 months…..
How much was it new?defblade said:
Mogul said:
That 300k miles S is ‘one registered keeper’ and did 50k miles in 2021 and the same again in 2022, with twice yearly MOT’s thrown in for good measure. Would love to know the back story…
Don't taxis have to have MOTs every 6 months...?
Edited by Earthdweller on Sunday 2nd April 16:47
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