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LayZ said:
I do think that’s quite smart in those colours. Ostensibly the price isn’t outrageous but need to have these coming in at closer to £3k to be a realistic proposition. That day will come by suspect they will all be sheds by then - so many are already. 
Watched a guy on YT who’s running a V6 one (ex of this parish iirc?) and that seems a bit gentler in running costs and reduced borkage potential.
dscam said:
LayZ said:
I do think that’s quite smart in those colours. Ostensibly the price isn’t outrageous but need to have these coming in at closer to £3k to be a realistic proposition. That day will come by suspect they will all be sheds by then - so many are already. Watched a guy on YT who’s running a V6 one (ex of this parish iirc?) and that seems a bit gentler in running costs and reduced borkage potential.
The only thing which can make them interesting is if you can find one with a ridiculous specification like a W12.
ingenieur said:
dscam said:
LayZ said:
I do think that’s quite smart in those colours. Ostensibly the price isn’t outrageous but need to have these coming in at closer to £3k to be a realistic proposition. That day will come by suspect they will all be sheds by then - so many are already. Watched a guy on YT who’s running a V6 one (ex of this parish iirc?) and that seems a bit gentler in running costs and reduced borkage potential.
The only thing which can make them interesting is if you can find one with a ridiculous specification like a W12.
You say upbadging dross never works, yet the Cayenne was incredibly successful for Porsche?
Edited by E90_M3Ross on Wednesday 6th March 19:34
E90_M3Ross said:
From what I gather, the V8 in the Toureg is a fair bit less powerful than this, and there are some suspension differences, too.
You say upbadging dross never works, yet the Cayenne was incredibly successful for Porsche?
Outside of places like this, do you have ANY idea how stupid average Joe Public is? You say upbadging dross never works, yet the Cayenne was incredibly successful for Porsche?
Edited by E90_M3Ross on Wednesday 6th March 19:34
In my experience, most people are fantastically dim.
RUI488 said:
Outside of places like this, do you have ANY idea how stupid average Joe Public is?
In my experience, most people are fantastically dim.
I've never been under any pretence that there's not a significant bit of Toerag under my Cayenne, but whilst I haven't driven the VW offering, I have to say the engine makes it. Perfectly quiet for the wife to bimble around in and then when it comes on cam from 4,500 revs, makes a glorious noise. From the early days of platform sharing VAG have done a decent job of making the more upmarket offerings at least a bit better, my 1st Gen A3s I thought were signifcantly better than the Mk4s golf of the time. In my experience, most people are fantastically dim.
I'd wager that a Bentley flying spur "feels" better than the A8 of the time (although not enough to warrant the new price differential)
RUI488 said:
E90_M3Ross said:
From what I gather, the V8 in the Toureg is a fair bit less powerful than this, and there are some suspension differences, too.
You say upbadging dross never works, yet the Cayenne was incredibly successful for Porsche?
Outside of places like this, do you have ANY idea how stupid average Joe Public is? You say upbadging dross never works, yet the Cayenne was incredibly successful for Porsche?
Edited by E90_M3Ross on Wednesday 6th March 19:34
In my experience, most people are fantastically dim.
RUI488 said:
E90_M3Ross said:
I'm not sure of the relevance of that in relation to my comment though?
Well, specifically, i was responding to this part - “You say upbadging dross never works, yet the Cayenne was incredibly successful for Porsche”
dscam said:
I do think that’s quite smart in those colours. Ostensibly the price isn’t outrageous but need to have these coming in at closer to £3k to be a realistic proposition. That day will come by suspect they will all be sheds by then - so many are already.
Watched a guy on YT who’s running a V6 one (ex of this parish iirc?) and that seems a bit gentler in running costs and reduced borkage potential.
Unusual colour for one of them but I think the key part in that ad which would have me concerned would be "NO MAJOR ISSUES" which in all likelihood means it's got lot's of minor ones that WILL be ruinous. My Blackpool/Christmas tree Turbo is as I type still serving by sibling well (I hope)Watched a guy on YT who’s running a V6 one (ex of this parish iirc?) and that seems a bit gentler in running costs and reduced borkage potential.
E90_M3Ross said:
RUI488 said:
E90_M3Ross said:
I'm not sure of the relevance of that in relation to my comment though?
Well, specifically, i was responding to this part - “You say upbadging dross never works, yet the Cayenne was incredibly successful for Porsche”
Perhaps i should have been more explicit; of course
it worked, most people are utterly thick.
RUI488 said:
E90_M3Ross said:
RUI488 said:
E90_M3Ross said:
I'm not sure of the relevance of that in relation to my comment though?
Well, specifically, i was responding to this part - “You say upbadging dross never works, yet the Cayenne was incredibly successful for Porsche”
Perhaps i should have been more explicit; of course
it worked, most people are utterly thick.
The context in which that comment was made is one of whether or not it is actually a good car and to my mind, with the weight, running costs and likelihood of many difficult to fix problems it isn't something personally that I'd like to get involved with.
In terms of sales, it is likely it does well for Porsche and the difference between them and Saab is that Saab had all their eggs in one basket. As long as Porsche keep making the 911 they'll be okay and can take some risks.
You can see the difference between a good Porsche and a bad one by looking at how the market values them. 911s hold their value.
ingenieur said:
It's an odd way to argue a point, to call a person thick. I think you were referring to my comment.
The context in which that comment was made is one of whether or not it is actually a good car and to my mind, with the weight, running costs and likelihood of many difficult to fix problems it isn't something personally that I'd like to get involved with.
In terms of sales, it is likely it does well for Porsche and the difference between them and Saab is that Saab had all their eggs in one basket. As long as Porsche keep making the 911 they'll be okay and can take some risks.
You can see the difference between a good Porsche and a bad one by looking at how the market values them. 911s hold their value.
I never called anyone thick on the thread. The context in which that comment was made is one of whether or not it is actually a good car and to my mind, with the weight, running costs and likelihood of many difficult to fix problems it isn't something personally that I'd like to get involved with.
In terms of sales, it is likely it does well for Porsche and the difference between them and Saab is that Saab had all their eggs in one basket. As long as Porsche keep making the 911 they'll be okay and can take some risks.
You can see the difference between a good Porsche and a bad one by looking at how the market values them. 911s hold their value.
In fact, i made a point of saying ‘outside of this thread’.
I’ll try one last time and that’s me done -
Of course a rebadged VW did well for Porsche; most people are pretty stupid/gullible and only care that it has a Porsche badge and not care about the substance underneath.
LayZ said:
AFAIK there is a lot different on a Cayenne than a Touraeg. The VW Diagnostic systems mostly don't work. Probably the air suspension, transfer case and driveline is the same. Engine is of course in-house Porsche.
It's the similarities rather than the differences which matter more. If you look at both of them side-on the whole mid-section of the car is the same. The ends are a bit pointer on the Porsche. RUI488 said:
ingenieur said:
It's an odd way to argue a point, to call a person thick. I think you were referring to my comment.
The context in which that comment was made is one of whether or not it is actually a good car and to my mind, with the weight, running costs and likelihood of many difficult to fix problems it isn't something personally that I'd like to get involved with.
In terms of sales, it is likely it does well for Porsche and the difference between them and Saab is that Saab had all their eggs in one basket. As long as Porsche keep making the 911 they'll be okay and can take some risks.
You can see the difference between a good Porsche and a bad one by looking at how the market values them. 911s hold their value.
I never called anyone thick on the thread. The context in which that comment was made is one of whether or not it is actually a good car and to my mind, with the weight, running costs and likelihood of many difficult to fix problems it isn't something personally that I'd like to get involved with.
In terms of sales, it is likely it does well for Porsche and the difference between them and Saab is that Saab had all their eggs in one basket. As long as Porsche keep making the 911 they'll be okay and can take some risks.
You can see the difference between a good Porsche and a bad one by looking at how the market values them. 911s hold their value.
In fact, i made a point of saying ‘outside of this thread’.
I’ll try one last time and that’s me done -
Of course a rebadged VW did well for Porsche; most people are pretty stupid/gullible and only care that it has a Porsche badge and not care about the substance underneath.
I suppose on a similar basis you can see anyone who bought the entry-level Cayenne, barely capable of pulling the skin off a custard as the biggest sinners and enablers of the bunch.
E90_M3Ross said:
I think the "people are stupid who buy them" comment is daft. They look different, they drive different and have different interiors. Who cares if they share some parts.
Not necessarily. It's a fact that there are wise and unwise car buying decisions. It's also a fact that there exists a broad spectrum of intellectual capacity amongst the car buying public. It's probably not good to generalise and claim that every buyer of a Porsche Cayenne is stupid but there are definitely fewer rational / emotional reasons for buying a Porsche Cayenne v.s. buying most other cars. In fact there are almost no rational reasons for buying a Porsche Cayenne. I suppose if one came along which was reeaaallllly cheap that could be a rational decision for buying one but it's almost an entirely emotional purchase and with it not being especially anything it's difficult to argue there is a strong emotional case for being interested in them. I think the fact it says Porsche on it is about as strong as the case gets. Very few barges are sensible purchases, unless they're an LS, in which case they're boring. There's also the recently discussed case in which a Skoda Octavia was dismissed as a barge and also accussed of being dismal and boring.
At the end of the day, the Cayenne above is a nice colour, cheap, in possession of a V8 and well screwed together.
At the end of the day, the Cayenne above is a nice colour, cheap, in possession of a V8 and well screwed together.
ingenieur said:
In fact there are almost no rational reasons for buying a Porsche Cayenne.
I believe most of the few which exist fall under the caveat of "... if you have a successful YouTube channel where millions of people tune in to see what's broken this week on your ill-advised automotive purchase".Gassing Station | Car Buying | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff