Future of Diesel SUVs

[Deep Thought]

Acamp76144 said:

7k off both the new X5’s on display in the showroom (one a 30d one a M50d)

Probably 4 years and that’s my point, residual could be nil at that point as the norm is hybrids

BMW do big discounts on a lot of their cars. We got £10K off an M140i.

If you want to avoid big depreciation, then i'd be avoiding big new BMWs full stop. (Or most mainstream brands for that matter)

Edited by Deep Thought on Monday 22 April 08:38

[Deep Thought]

What about a hybrid XC90 7 seater?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

If you cant beat 'em, join 'em

[anonymous-user]

Chris32345 said:

Hopefully most of SUV type cars full stop will die off
Most owners can't drive vehicles that large let alone park then
Just bought for appearances sake

Disagree. They have replaced the people carriers that were ugly. Now people can carry their kids and prams while having a car that doesn't look like a shed.

Their popularity is increasing. The numbers of models available is increasing. Car companies are focusing on them more than saloons.

[XMified]

euphoricmess said:

Disagree. They have replaced the people carriers that were ugly. Now people can carry their kids and prams while having a car that doesn't look like a shed.

I think SUVs have replaced not just people carriers, but sadly estates and hatchbacks too. I find them visually objectionable, but I think this is a tide that cannot be turned back. Also falls neatly into line with manufacturers and accessory makers attempts to extract maximum profit from customers- everything is bigger and thus more costly to replace, size and weight wears down components faster.

Wasn't aware that other vehicles look like sheds by merit of their body type?

To be fair, many estates and hatchbacks has more than adequate room for the equipment you mention, and there are quite a few SUVs with no boot space advantage over such vehicles. There may well be a crash safety advantage I suppose.

Sad that you can still buy car-shaped cars on the continent, but not here. I'd love a Renault Talisman, but not a chance here in the UK.

Sorry to have digressed so much, but about diesel- There is market panic and uncertainty, but I see no signs of its demise. I sometimes play a little game when on foot and try to see how many cars I can see that don't take sustenance from the black pump. The results are always miniscule.

I wasn't sure 2 years ago, but now I would say buy and forget.

[Sheepshanks]

XMified said:

I think SUVs have replaced not just people carriers, but sadly estates and hatchbacks too. I find them visually objectionable, but I think this is a tide that cannot be turned back. Also falls neatly into line with manufacturers and accessory makers attempts to extract maximum profit from customers- everything is bigger and thus more costly to replace, size and weight wears down components faster.

I don't mind SUVs - missus has one and I have a Merc estate. Her's is much better than mine at speed bumps and pot-holed roads. To that end, I don't get the point of 'sporty' SUVs on stupidly big wheels - they should have tyres with a decent amount of sidewall.

You're right about profit though - SUV don't cost much more to make but can be sold for higher prices. In the US Ford was making $10K out of every Exporer sold and it's widely suggested that Cayenne sales in the US saved Porsche.

[Jag_NE]

Sheepshanks said:

XMified said:

I think SUVs have replaced not just people carriers, but sadly estates and hatchbacks too. I find them visually objectionable, but I think this is a tide that cannot be turned back. Also falls neatly into line with manufacturers and accessory makers attempts to extract maximum profit from customers- everything is bigger and thus more costly to replace, size and weight wears down components faster.

I don't mind SUVs - missus has one and I have a Merc estate. Her's is much better than mine at speed bumps and pot-holed roads. To that end, I don't get the point of 'sporty' SUVs on stupidly big wheels - they should have tyres with a decent amount of sidewall.

You're right about profit though - SUV don't cost much more to make but can be sold for higher prices. In the US Ford was making $10K out of every Exporer sold and it's widely suggested that Cayenne sales in the US saved Porsche.

Absolutely agree on the profit point, equivalent SUV vs the saloon/estate is serious £, particularly used. Look at an X5 vs a 5er estate. You can go up a class into a 7 series saloon vs the X5. Horses for courses though and I don’t dislike SUVs as such.

[Acamp76144]

Pica-Pica said:

Acamp76144 said:

300bhp/ton said:

Acamp76144 said:

Why do you think that? I noticed that the local BMW dealer had 7k off list on the models
On display. Diesel sales seem to be very weak in general (JLR have specifically called it out as an issue).

7k off what exactly?

Diesel SUVs are hugely popular and common. I just don’t believe the used market will evaporate overnight. How long are you planning on owning the vehicle anyway?

7k off both the new X5’s on display in the showroom (one a 30d one a M50d)

Probably 4 years and that’s my point, residual could be nil at that point as the norm is hybrids

7k off that price car is not at all unusual. It is just the starting point for negotiations. Why do you think that 7k is an unusually large discount? As for residual being nil after 4 years!
Many will still buy diesel for torque and for mileage range.

Not sure that 7k discount off a new model car that has been just hit showrooms is usual..Even if you look in car wow etc don’t see discounts like this, that’s why I was surprised at it being displayed on stands beside the cars in a main dealer showroom. Just makes me think people are holding off on purchases for large suv diesels (certainly if paying cash!)