Early 350Z v Late 350Z v Early 370Z
Discussion
coldel said:
Shifter1 said:
I have a friend who has leather heated seats in his SSangyong, which he uses in his farm. 
I would disagree the 350Z kept up with proper GTs of its time. I'm sure a XKR, BMW 6 etc are all way above it.
Exactly, the definition is a long distance driver which can go fast, a bit sporty and luxurious. The luxury must be there for the long distances. so it's an important part of it. It doesn't need to be ultra luxurious like a Bentley or Rolls Royce. But the 350Z just falls too short with the cheap materials and budget interior. Leather doesn't really mean luxury anymore and hasn't for a few decades now. So many cheap cars have leather. Tiburon, Camaro, Mustang, the list goes on.
Its a car that can do miles but does it sporty and has a bit of luxury, it does not have to be luxurious. The sportiness bit seems to have a bigger priority over the luxury bit as well. As defined by the italians that coined the phrase.I would disagree the 350Z kept up with proper GTs of its time. I'm sure a XKR, BMW 6 etc are all way above it.
Exactly, the definition is a long distance driver which can go fast, a bit sporty and luxurious. The luxury must be there for the long distances. so it's an important part of it. It doesn't need to be ultra luxurious like a Bentley or Rolls Royce. But the 350Z just falls too short with the cheap materials and budget interior. Leather doesn't really mean luxury anymore and hasn't for a few decades now.
So many cheap cars have leather. Tiburon, Camaro, Mustang, the list goes on.Anyway happy to agree to disagree on this one. Not to detract from the point of the thread
Anyway
Shifter1 said:
coldel said:
Shifter1 said:
I have a friend who has leather heated seats in his SSangyong, which he uses in his farm.
I would disagree the 350Z kept up with proper GTs of its time. I'm sure a XKR, BMW 6 etc are all way above it.
Exactly, the definition is a long distance driver which can go fast, a bit sporty and luxurious. The luxury must be there for the long distances. so it's an important part of it. It doesn't need to be ultra luxurious like a Bentley or Rolls Royce. But the 350Z just falls too short with the cheap materials and budget interior. Leather doesn't really mean luxury anymore and hasn't for a few decades now. So many cheap cars have leather. Tiburon, Camaro, Mustang, the list goes on.
Its a car that can do miles but does it sporty and has a bit of luxury, it does not have to be luxurious. The sportiness bit seems to have a bigger priority over the luxury bit as well. As defined by the italians that coined the phrase.I would disagree the 350Z kept up with proper GTs of its time. I'm sure a XKR, BMW 6 etc are all way above it.
Exactly, the definition is a long distance driver which can go fast, a bit sporty and luxurious. The luxury must be there for the long distances. so it's an important part of it. It doesn't need to be ultra luxurious like a Bentley or Rolls Royce. But the 350Z just falls too short with the cheap materials and budget interior. Leather doesn't really mean luxury anymore and hasn't for a few decades now.
So many cheap cars have leather. Tiburon, Camaro, Mustang, the list goes on.Anyway happy to agree to disagree on this one. Not to detract from the point of the thread
Anyway
In saying that apart from preferring the car to be a touch lighter, I do absolutely love everything else about it in fairness. Plus if I didn't like it then I definitely wouldn't have kept for 4 years either. My Z4M Roadster only lasted 5 months with me in comparison for example.
cerb4.5lee said:
It does look sweet sat there. 
Just look at it. I mean, I'm not gonna lie, the way it looks is certainly a factor in why I want one. I do love the 350z but the 370 is better looking for me, and the z4c while also being a seriously good looking car, doesn't look quite as "meaty"(I did feel a little bit of a tool taking a photo of an old Nissan in a car park though
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It does look absolutely spot on I agree. 
The 370Z does seem quite marmite in the looks department, but like you I've always loved the way it looks though. I looked around one(Coupe) a few years ago when it was parked in a retail car park, and both me and my missus said how nice it looked(that was a black one).
It is always nice when you see the odd one out on the roads too.
The 370Z does seem quite marmite in the looks department, but like you I've always loved the way it looks though. I looked around one(Coupe) a few years ago when it was parked in a retail car park, and both me and my missus said how nice it looked(that was a black one).
It is always nice when you see the odd one out on the roads too.
soad said:
Belle427 said:
I think the 370 is a fantastic looking car, they sound tremendous with the right exhaust too.
True, but not in a stock form. 350Z sounds good, probably much cheaper to tax also (not an issue if you do big miles).
cerb4.5lee said:
The previous owner of my 370 got it sounding lovely(although arguably a bit too loud to use everyday though). He put a full custom stainless exhaust system on it with high flow sports cats and stillen gen 3 intakes. The noise it makes is my favourite bit about it.
I always think people get hung up on V8s, and a good one is clearly an absolute delight, but so is the Z with its big V6 I reckon, especially with an upgraded induction and exhaust. It's still one of the best 6 cylinder sounds I've heard. You would probably know as an ex-TVR owner. Shifter1 said:
All good. We can agree to disagree. The sticky point is the "bit of luxury" part. I just don't see it in the 350Z.
I think you are very much overthinking this. GT is just a term that someone made up once and has a loose meaning, its not a specific thing like for example a Saloon may be. I had a 350z and it was a sporty coupe that I found comfy. It doesn't HAVE to have a made up category to fit into...
TameRacingDriver said:
cerb4.5lee said:
The previous owner of my 370 got it sounding lovely(although arguably a bit too loud to use everyday though). He put a full custom stainless exhaust system on it with high flow sports cats and stillen gen 3 intakes. The noise it makes is my favourite bit about it.
I always think people get hung up on V8s, and a good one is clearly an absolute delight, but so is the Z with its big V6 I reckon, especially with an upgraded induction and exhaust. It's still one of the best 6 cylinder sounds I've heard. You would probably know as an ex-TVR owner. The noise the Z makes has kept me more than happy for sure, and I'm a big V8 fan as it is.
I class the 370z as a Sports GT! It has most of the characteristics associated with a sports car (2drs/seats, RWD etc) but shares many of those of a GT car - more interior space/storage, equipment and for the type of car a good ride. It may not be luxurious but it is well put together and rattle free.
I have driven long distances in mine and find it a great car to cruise along in and at the same time have enough ability to have fun with as well. For me it is a great compromise - especially at the price point. I have written elsewhere, but last year we drove 300 miles from N. Wales to Surrey with 2 of us, the dog and luggage for a long weekend, attended the Shere hill climb - with the car on display, then did three runs up the hill and returned home the next day with another 300 mile drive, averaging just under 34mpg.
When I was buying I did look at the late 350z but there was little difference in price and I found the interior of the 350 to be a little too basic - not surprising considering the age in comparison. I also have always preferred the shape of the 370 over the 350 (plus there was more practicality with the boot space in the 370).
As far as depreciation goes it is hard to tell at the moment as prices are still weird - mine 3yrs on was worth more than I paid for it a couple of months ago when I last checked. To buy the same car now would cost me about 3k more than when I bought!
I obviously love it…
I have driven long distances in mine and find it a great car to cruise along in and at the same time have enough ability to have fun with as well. For me it is a great compromise - especially at the price point. I have written elsewhere, but last year we drove 300 miles from N. Wales to Surrey with 2 of us, the dog and luggage for a long weekend, attended the Shere hill climb - with the car on display, then did three runs up the hill and returned home the next day with another 300 mile drive, averaging just under 34mpg.
When I was buying I did look at the late 350z but there was little difference in price and I found the interior of the 350 to be a little too basic - not surprising considering the age in comparison. I also have always preferred the shape of the 370 over the 350 (plus there was more practicality with the boot space in the 370).
As far as depreciation goes it is hard to tell at the moment as prices are still weird - mine 3yrs on was worth more than I paid for it a couple of months ago when I last checked. To buy the same car now would cost me about 3k more than when I bought!
I obviously love it…
Om said:
I class the 370z as a Sports GT! It has most of the characteristics associated with a sports car (2drs/seats, RWD etc) but shares many of those of a GT car - more interior space/storage, equipment and for the type of car a good ride. It may not be luxurious but it is well put together and rattle free.
I have driven long distances in mine and find it a great car to cruise along in and at the same time have enough ability to have fun with as well. For me it is a great compromise - especially at the price point. I have written elsewhere, but last year we drove 300 miles from N. Wales to Surrey with 2 of us, the dog and luggage for a long weekend, attended the Shere hill climb - with the car on display, then did three runs up the hill and returned home the next day with another 300 mile drive, averaging just under 34mpg.
When I was buying I did look at the late 350z but there was little difference in price and I found the interior of the 350 to be a little too basic - not surprising considering the age in comparison. I also have always preferred the shape of the 370 over the 350 (plus there was more practicality with the boot space in the 370).
As far as depreciation goes it is hard to tell at the moment as prices are still weird - mine 3yrs on was worth more than I paid for it a couple of months ago when I last checked. To buy the same car now would cost me about 3k more than when I bought!
I obviously love it…
Impressive feats. Must admit I really love how the 370z looks. It's a car I've deliberately not gone and driven though. Although probably a step down in practicality from my current 2+2 coupe.I have driven long distances in mine and find it a great car to cruise along in and at the same time have enough ability to have fun with as well. For me it is a great compromise - especially at the price point. I have written elsewhere, but last year we drove 300 miles from N. Wales to Surrey with 2 of us, the dog and luggage for a long weekend, attended the Shere hill climb - with the car on display, then did three runs up the hill and returned home the next day with another 300 mile drive, averaging just under 34mpg.
When I was buying I did look at the late 350z but there was little difference in price and I found the interior of the 350 to be a little too basic - not surprising considering the age in comparison. I also have always preferred the shape of the 370 over the 350 (plus there was more practicality with the boot space in the 370).
As far as depreciation goes it is hard to tell at the moment as prices are still weird - mine 3yrs on was worth more than I paid for it a couple of months ago when I last checked. To buy the same car now would cost me about 3k more than when I bought!
I obviously love it…
Re: prices. I think all car prices have been weird over lockdown and then the chip shortage. Used cars have been retaining crazy value and selling for way more than they really should have.
Although I think that bubble has burst now. Lots of car prices are down to more like their pre-covid levels and things don't seem to be selling the same. It was never going to be sustainable with the way prices had been.
I guess looking back longer term at what happen price wise to the Z31 & Z32 300ZX and pre-covid 350z's is a pretty good indication what will happen with the 370z's over the next 1-3 years+.
300bhp/ton said:
Re: prices. I think all car prices have been weird over lockdown and then the chip shortage. Used cars have been retaining crazy value and selling for way more than they really should have.
Although I think that bubble has burst now. Lots of car prices are down to more like their pre-covid levels and things don't seem to be selling the same. It was never going to be sustainable with the way prices had been.
Prices do seem to have dropped back down to normal now as you say. At one stage I could've sold the M4 for more than I paid for it(I was still happy with it though so I didn't want to swap it). Whereas the backside has dropped out of the value of it now as expected I guess. Although I think that bubble has burst now. Lots of car prices are down to more like their pre-covid levels and things don't seem to be selling the same. It was never going to be sustainable with the way prices had been.
I have an immaculate 2005 350Z DE on 34K miles. Theres nothing really to compare with them in the UK market,i think theyre getting better looking every year admist the sea of modern boring SUVS,and they are rare on the roads.
Yes they are quite heavy,but once you drive in the right rev range they are as quick as any 5.5 sec hot hatch. They do need an aftermarket exhaust,i feel my stock one is too quiet and needs a bit more growl - but that V6 does sound great in the higher revs.
Im trying to look for a 4 seater with more room,which is comparable in looks,perfomance and rarity. And im finding it quite tough!
Yes they are quite heavy,but once you drive in the right rev range they are as quick as any 5.5 sec hot hatch. They do need an aftermarket exhaust,i feel my stock one is too quiet and needs a bit more growl - but that V6 does sound great in the higher revs.
Im trying to look for a 4 seater with more room,which is comparable in looks,perfomance and rarity. And im finding it quite tough!
Yorkshire_LY said:
Im trying to look for a 4 seater with more room,which is comparable in looks,perfomance and rarity. And im finding it quite tough!
The only real options I can think of are the cars the Nissan was designed to compete against in the N. American market. Namely the Mustang and to a lesser extent the Camaro/Firebird.
I have a 4th Gen Camaro. It weighs in quite similar to the 350z but a bit faster and more power. But it has 2+2 seating.
The S197 Mustang isn’t quite as sharp as the 350z out of the box. But quite easy to improve. Similar performance. And again the 2+2 seating.
A late SN95 Mustang might also be worth looking at. Specifically the Mach 1 model or the 2003/4 Cobra, aka The Terminator. The Cobra is a lot faster. But a hugely capable machine.
After that you are probably looking at things like XK Jags. But they are heavier and all automatic. Or maybe even a 996 Porsche 911. But you’d have to go older.
300bhp/ton said:
The only real options I can think of are the cars the Nissan was designed to compete against in the N. American market.
Namely the Mustang and to a lesser extent the Camaro/Firebird.
I have a 4th Gen Camaro. It weighs in quite similar to the 350z but a bit faster and more power. But it has 2+2 seating.
The S197 Mustang isn’t quite as sharp as the 350z out of the box. But quite easy to improve. Similar performance. And again the 2+2 seating.
A late SN95 Mustang might also be worth looking at. Specifically the Mach 1 model or the 2003/4 Cobra, aka The Terminator. The Cobra is a lot faster. But a hugely capable machine.
After that you are probably looking at things like XK Jags. But they are heavier and all automatic. Or maybe even a 996 Porsche 911. But you’d have to go older.
I forgot to say around £12K budget hehe. Yeah those Jags do look great VFM. Audi TTS was another,but id have to have the seats down all the time.Namely the Mustang and to a lesser extent the Camaro/Firebird.
I have a 4th Gen Camaro. It weighs in quite similar to the 350z but a bit faster and more power. But it has 2+2 seating.
The S197 Mustang isn’t quite as sharp as the 350z out of the box. But quite easy to improve. Similar performance. And again the 2+2 seating.
A late SN95 Mustang might also be worth looking at. Specifically the Mach 1 model or the 2003/4 Cobra, aka The Terminator. The Cobra is a lot faster. But a hugely capable machine.
After that you are probably looking at things like XK Jags. But they are heavier and all automatic. Or maybe even a 996 Porsche 911. But you’d have to go older.
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