Future car market (speculation?)

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LightningBlue said:

The Swift Sport is more warm than hot hatch. A Mini Cooper is equivalent and another level is the Cooper S - the latter has better performance but you’d have to check what insurance is like. There’s also the Ford Fiesta ST which would be cracking and I think the Zetec S is the warm version.

I've been in the ecoboost fiesta before, quite nippy for what they are. a good warm hatch for sure.

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ChrisH72 said:

I mentioned the Swift as a way of getting something more entertaining than the Aygo for not much money. 2-3k for a tidy mk1, maybe 5k plus for a mk2 although I haven't looked in a while.

I'm driving a mk7 ST3 at the moment and it's brilliant. It replaced a BMW 325i coupe which had plenty of PH characteristics like RWD, 6 cylinders, manual box etc. The Fiesta is way more fun to be honest.

I've looked into a lot of Jap cars but as you've noticed rust is a worry. Even the best and most expensive ep3 type r will have plenty of rust issues mentioned in its MOT history. And by the time you've forked out for the better Jap cars you may as well buy the GT86 which is at least a bit newer.

Exaclty, like the ones that go for 7k have a rough MOT history. The same even goes for the s2000.

From my point of view, I'd rather not plunge £2k to 3k on a warm hatch as I'd bear the risk of unseen potential issues etc which means i'd have to fork out more money for a car that i'm not that into. I'd be better off keeping my aygo with known issues that i can work on.I've had good reliability on ir means i'm saving money in the long run (unless it gets written off)...

from a cost analysis perspective, I don't want to take the risk of getting another car that im just not that into and go through the same potential high cost of repairs i went with my aygo discovering issues. So I'm better off just waiting it out whilst hoping for the market to cool down too.

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ZX10R NIN said:

Just for context lowering springs don't equal a crashy ride

I'm not sure if its because of my wheel size setup that makes the car lower than it actually needs to. But I can't go over normal speed humps above 10mph without hearing it scrape or thump badly onto something.

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Mr Whippy said:

It all depends what you want, but those ST180 Fiestas (really 200bhp) are a hoot.
Plus they felt solid mechanically, and very sure footed and safe.


I’d wait 12 months as I think prices of the stuff you’re after will soften quite a bit.

There is a LOT of utter crap out there priced like mint examples.

I think it makes more sense to wait out for a gt86. I'll be in a better position to bear the risk of their known engine issues etc. Could even be in a good position to get an ND2 RF by then.

But looking at the market extensively, its a pile of crap for sure.

In the meantime, good opportunity for me to actually tinker with the aygo etc.

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samoht said:

I only described them as 'crashy' because OP said 'I actually hate it (it thumps onto the road)', I'm not sure if that means it rides poorly OR if the springs are actually so short it's either grounding out or hitting the bump stops abruptly in normal driving.

I concur that it is in general possible to have lowering springs that ride as well or better than stock, it just sounds like that isn't the case with this particular setup.

Yeah the Aygo is the chepeast to run. Rather just stick with it since I don't like the prospect of owning another car I'm not into and having to pay more to own it etc, reducing any savings for the car I actually want.

I think it's definitely due to the wheel setup. It's meant to be 16 in the rear but it's got 15s on.