BMW M140i vs Golf R. Which is best for Britain and tuning?
Discussion
liner33 said:
Ride and equipment in the mk7 is woeful so couldn’t even consider one
I find the ride in my Mk7 like a rolls royce compared to my Mk6 Zetec S 
as for equipment I find mine absolutely fine. The only things I wish I had were auto lights and auto wipers which I assume come on the ST3 but other than that. Really happy with the car in that regard. The only reason I didn't go for an ST3 is because security reasons (keyless entry is the main reason). As much as I'd love a fully loaded ST3 I just couldn't because of the scumbags around unfortunately.
Edited by Dylanaledhall on Friday 29th January 22:03
Dylanaledhall said:
liner33 said:
Ride and equipment in the mk7 is woeful so couldn’t even consider one
I find the ride in my Mk7 like a rolls royce compared to my Mk6 Zetec S as for equipment I find mine absolutely fine. The only things I wish I had were auto lights and auto wipers which I assume come on the ST3 but other than that. Really happy with the car in that regard. The only reason I didn't go for an ST3 is because security reasons (keyless entry is the main reason). As much as I'd love a fully loaded ST3 I just couldn't because of the scumbags around unfortunately.
Edited by Dylanaledhall on Friday 29th January 22:03
liner33 said:
They have sleepy keys , not sure there has been a single one stolen without keys so far , but I had a ghost fitted . Security on the mk8 is far superior to the mk7
I'm happy ford have made an attempt to improve security. It's a shame buying a car then having to buy additional security measures such as ghost alarms and disk locks. Dylanaledhall said:
liner33 said:
Yes but often stolen with keys although heard of one carjacking
Jesus that's mental 
The BMWs are keyless go by design, but keyless entry was optional and if enabled can be disabled with esys or possibly even bimmercode, however that just stops the signal boost thefts, ultimately if they want the car badly enough they'll break in to ask you where the keys are.
Golfs are easier to drive fast, the last thing I'd assume you'd want is the car pirouetting itself into a hedge when you're running from plod!
Mr Happy said:
Most reported thefts on babybmw are from cars where they're parked on the drive, and subsequently have had the house broken into for the keys. There have been a few carjackings/attempted carjackings but you've got more chance of having one nicked if its displayed on your drive.
The BMWs are keyless go by design, but keyless entry was optional and if enabled can be disabled with esys or possibly even bimmercode, however that just stops the signal boost thefts, ultimately if they want the car badly enough they'll break in to ask you where the keys are.
Golfs are easier to drive fast, the last thing I'd assume you'd want is the car pirouetting itself into a hedge when you're running from plod!
It's a shame it happens. I have to agree the Golf being easier to drive at speed may be why they're being targeted.The BMWs are keyless go by design, but keyless entry was optional and if enabled can be disabled with esys or possibly even bimmercode, however that just stops the signal boost thefts, ultimately if they want the car badly enough they'll break in to ask you where the keys are.
Golfs are easier to drive fast, the last thing I'd assume you'd want is the car pirouetting itself into a hedge when you're running from plod!
liner33 said:
Fast 4 door cars are always popular with thieves as it allows fast entry and exit , they are usually stolen with a view to committing more crime
Hence why i went with the 235i and the 2 door ST
I still worry about my ST even though I've got my own CCTV that covers my drive and CCTV from my neighbors that cover my drive as well. I also have a disklock. I know that's not going to prevent the worst from happening but I'd like to think it's somewhat of a deterrent. I'm in the process of looking into things such as a new alarm system maybe, not sure which one yet. Hence why i went with the 235i and the 2 door ST
If I got an M135i/M140i ( or a Golf R) I'd still be using a disklock and upgrade the security. They're not currently on my list but I believe RS3's are a massive target too.
Edited by Dylanaledhall on Sunday 31st January 17:21
I've had my 140i for 3 years now and only had attention once from scrotes. Three ballied up kids who had one of the relay devices tried to break in when that failed to work (my car doesn't have keyless entry). Thankfully I was up and awake and the kitchen light coming on was enough to make them scarper. We beefed up security a bit but honestly I think it was opportunistic rather than targeted.
I don't think 140s have it worse than other performance cars. A colleague has a Focus RS and lives round the corner from me and he's had about four attempts to steal it.
I don't think 140s have it worse than other performance cars. A colleague has a Focus RS and lives round the corner from me and he's had about four attempts to steal it.
HM-2 said:
I've had my 140i for 3 years now and only had attention once from scrotes. Three ballied up kids who had one of the relay devices tried to break in when that failed to work (my car doesn't have keyless entry). Thankfully I was up and awake and the kitchen light coming on was enough to make them scarper. We beefed up security a bit but honestly I think it was opportunistic rather than targeted.
I don't think 140s have it worse than other performance cars. A colleague has a Focus RS and lives round the corner from me and he's had about four attempts to steal it.
It's really worrying. My dad has an RS but hasn't got any security upgrades (that I know of). I think the fact an RS is rarer than an ST would make my car possibly more attractive to scum bags but I do want him to get a disklock at the minimum. I don't think 140s have it worse than other performance cars. A colleague has a Focus RS and lives round the corner from me and he's had about four attempts to steal it.
Quick question for people that have had an M135i and M140i. Do you think an M140i is worth the upgrade over an M135i?
Only reason I'm asking is because M135i's are quite good value at the moment so if I got into an M135i earlier I could probably go onto an M3/M4 after that. Do people think it's worth it or should I just try and get into an M140i and ignore the m135i? Thanks guys
Only reason I'm asking is because M135i's are quite good value at the moment so if I got into an M135i earlier I could probably go onto an M3/M4 after that. Do people think it's worth it or should I just try and get into an M140i and ignore the m135i? Thanks guys
liner33 said:
M140 is cheaper to tune and gives you larger gains so the better choice if you really want to push the envelope
If you are happy with around 430hp a late model m135 will suffice
That's what I'm thinking, I know the N55 isn't as good of an engine ( in my opinion) as the B58 but I don't think I will personally feel a great load of difference between 430bhp and 450bhp (providing this is what both the N55 vs B58 can produce on a stage 2). If you are happy with around 430hp a late model m135 will suffice
I think if I was looking at doing some serious tuning I think I'd rather it be through the chassis of an M3 or an M4 just because it's decently set up from factory as we are all aware. If they come down to the 20k mark I think I could get into one quite soon after having an M135i if I kept the M135i for 2 or 3 years. An M140i is a bit more expensive than an M135i so may stall me a bit because I imagine M140i's keeping their value for a while. I foresee M135i's possibly going down in price because surely everyone would prefer M140's? So that's my predicament at the moment, would I notice a massive difference and is it worth it if I'd be planning on moving onto an M3/M4 in future anyway?
Dylanaledhall said:
liner33 said:
M140 is cheaper to tune and gives you larger gains so the better choice if you really want to push the envelope
If you are happy with around 430hp a late model m135 will suffice
That's what I'm thinking, I know the N55 isn't as good of an engine ( in my opinion) as the B58 but I don't think I will personally feel a great load of difference between 430bhp and 450bhp (providing this is what both the N55 vs B58 can produce on a stage 2). If you are happy with around 430hp a late model m135 will suffice
I think if I was looking at doing some serious tuning I think I'd rather it be through the chassis of an M3 or an M4 just because it's decently set up from factory as we are all aware. If they come down to the 20k mark I think I could get into one quite soon after having an M135i if I kept the M135i for 2 or 3 years. An M140i is a bit more expensive than an M135i so may stall me a bit because I imagine M140i's keeping their value for a while. I foresee M135i's possibly going down in price because surely everyone would prefer M140's? So that's my predicament at the moment, would I notice a massive difference and is it worth it if I'd be planning on moving onto an M3/M4 in future anyway?
Also the difference between 430bhp and 450bhp is 4% I.e. to small to notice as you’ve said especially as you’ll spend practically zero time at full throttle with that much power on the road.
Scobblelotcher said:
The N55 has a more fun engine standard vs standard against the B58 imho. I’ve had both and the N55 makes a (slightly) better noise and always seemed to rev harder and be more willing to hit the redline. The B58 has some tuning advantages and is slightly better on fuel.
Also the difference between 430bhp and 450bhp is 4% I.e. to small to notice as you’ve said especially as you’ll spend practically zero time at full throttle with that much power on the road.
I think an M135i with a BCS exhaust sounds the business in my opinion, I'm sure there are loads of other options out there I've just stumbled upon a couple of BCS videos and they sound amazing. Fuel isn't a massive concern to me as long as I can achieve around the 30-35mpg when I'm just cruising I'll be happy with that. Also the difference between 430bhp and 450bhp is 4% I.e. to small to notice as you’ve said especially as you’ll spend practically zero time at full throttle with that much power on the road.
Yeah I didn't think I'd notice much difference between the two once tuned. Anything over 400bhp is going to feel quick enough imo, will probably take a while to get used to
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