Fiesta 1.0 Ecoboost

[stevemcs]

Master Bean said:

I have a 2015 on 67k. Impending doom.

If you intend to keep it get the belt done early

[stickylabels]

Got hooligan no.1 into a '65 plate 'zetec s' with just 18k on it a couple years back. It's been really good and now on 35k, upwards of mid 40's mpg. Its had 8 oil changes over that time but the belt does concern me. Started looking around about 1 month ago up near Dundee for someone brave enough to change the belt. No-one (so far) wants to touch it. The Ford dealer in Forfar quoted me £2500.......In other words, we don't want your business type quote.

Thought about changing it but we would prefer to keep and get the belts done properly. If anyone knows a decent bod around Dundee or thereabouts who would do this please post up!

Cheers

[wyson]

ACCYSTAN said:

What reg is the car? 73 plate?

That surely incorrect.

My mate has a 72 plate Citroen Berlingo MPV 7 seater with the same 1.2 puretech engine and gets low 30s around town, 45mpg on a motorway run at 70mph.
Surely the Berlingo aerodynamics are worse than a 3008?

Yes those sorts of figures were what I was expecting. 73 plate car. Instead I'm getting this:



Anyway, going to avoid these small high specific output engines in the future, I think 20mpg on the school run is dire.

To be fair to the 3008, sometimes if the traffic is lighter than normal, it does hit the dizzy heights of 22mpg. My latest theory is, because one of the schools is on a slight hill, it's making the small 1.2 pure tech engine work much harder than the bigger engines of the other cars I took for extended test drives. Disabling the stop start system did nothing for the economy, it remained the same.

Edited by wyson on Tuesday 5th December 09:08

[wyson]

Was just looking at Toyota's range.

I think it's telling they are beloved by Uber drivers, score top marks in their class on Whatcars real fuel economy tests and the Yaris has a 1.5l engine. Corolla 1.8l or 2.0l. RAV4 2.5l. NA engines right sized for their applications. Just no high specific output turbo engines at all for their bread n butter cars.

Edited by wyson on Friday 8th December 12:09

[macron]

Does the belt issue only apply to these early 1.0'd then?

How about the 1.25 eco boost? Same issue?

And what year did they swap to chainsaw and does that apply to all the fords, as plenty of their bigger cars have 1.0 and 1.25'sz and I'm assuming they're either the same or at least the same central components, drive mechanism specifically, but you tell me!

Called into a v quiet ford dealer earlier today, sat in a few, seats are a bit weak with a lack of side bolster on say the Vignales, including the Kuga, but 0%'s on a lot now to stimulate a total absence of sales was interesting.

[Master Bean]

macron said:

Does the belt issue only apply to these early 1.0'd then?

How about the 1.25 eco boost? Same issue?

And what year did they swap to chainsaw and does that apply to all the fords, as plenty of their bigger cars have 1.0 and 1.25'sz and I'm assuming they're either the same or at least the same central components, drive mechanism specifically, but you tell me!

Called into a v quiet ford dealer earlier today, sat in a few, seats are a bit weak with a lack of side bolster on say the Vignales, including the Kuga, but 0%'s on a lot now to stimulate a total absence of sales was interesting.

Only 1.0 made until about 2020. There's no such engine as the 1.25 ecoboost. There is a fairly simple 1.25 4 cylinder on the Fiesta with either 68 or 82hp.

[flumpy]

I've been looking at Focuses/Fiestas lately and from what I've read, the 125bhp version of the 1.0 switched to camchain first, around 2019 in the focus and mid-2020 in the fiesta (shortly before the hybrid arrived). I think the 100bhp kept the belt until it was replaced by the 95bhp version in 2021 and the 140bhp never got updated. It's easy to see what a particular an engine has, as the camchain one doesn't have the big silver turbo heatshield at the front (as the turbo's now at the back).

But even the camchain-equipped Ecoboosts still have a wetbelt to drive the oilpump (as does the 1.5 in the Fiesta ST from 2019 onwards). This will still deteriorate and has the same 10-year service life as a wet cambelt (and is nearly as big a replacement job, requiring the camchain to be removed to get at it).

Edited by flumpy on Saturday 9th December 17:51

Edited by flumpy on Saturday 9th December 18:00

[Phil.]

I have a 1.0 ecoboost Fiesta that I bought at 11 months old. It has 25k miles on the clock and has been serviced annually. But it’s 10 years old next service and I’m being told it needs the cambelt changing for around £1k. It’s worth £6k ish presently. Options are:

1. Sell and buy something else
2. Keep and leave it another year beyond the next service before swapping the cambelt
3. Keep and swap the cambelt at the next service

What would you do?

[stevemcs]

If you intend to keep it get it done now, if you intend to sell it do it now. You could always drop the sump and see what the oil pump is like.

[Phil.]

stevemcs said:

If you intend to keep it get it done now, if you intend to sell it do it now. You could always drop the sump and see what the oil pump is like.

The preference would be to keep it as it’s otherwise in good condition. The only complication is it’s not getting used because my son who drives it has gone on indefinite worldwide travels. He may return in 3-6 months or carry on travelling.

[stevemcs]

The belt will still degrade, as it sits in the oil.

[Phil.]

I suppose £100 per year for the belt over 10 years isn’t too bad so looks like I’ll be keeping it and replacing the belt at the next service.

[stevemcs]

In theory it shouldn't cost much for a service if done at the same time. We are £1300 but there are places that charge £800 around essex

[Master Bean]

Phil. said:

I have a 1.0 ecoboost Fiesta that I bought at 11 months old. It has 25k miles on the clock and has been serviced annually. But it’s 10 years old next service and I’m being told it needs the cambelt changing for around £1k. It’s worth £6k ish presently. Options are:

1. Sell and buy something else
2. Keep and leave it another year beyond the next service before swapping the cambelt
3. Keep and swap the cambelt at the next service

What would you do?

Option 4. Leave it. If it's been properly serviced it should be alright. Live life on the edge etc.

[Phil.]

stevemcs said:

In theory it shouldn't cost much for a service if done at the same time. We are £1300 but there are places that charge £800 around essex

Thanks for your input into my decision it has been helpful. I have a neighbour with a good setup who has serviced the Fiesta since I owned it. He quoted £1k for the cambelt which seems reasonable. Of all the cars I’ve owned this one has cost me the least in servicing and depreciation so I have nothing to complain about

[stevemcs]

Phil. said:

Thanks for your input into my decision it has been helpful. I have a neighbour with a good setup who has serviced the Fiesta since I owned it. He quoted £1k for the cambelt which seems reasonable. Of all the cars I’ve owned this one has cost me the least in servicing and depreciation so I have nothing to complain about

Just make sure he has the torque multiplier and replaces the washer behind the crank pulley. We only use the genuine Ford stuff, change the water pump too, its not belt driven but worth changing. Do the front crank seal too. Sump off, wash the pump out and replace the oil pump belt too.

[Phil.]

stevemcs said:

Just make sure he has the torque multiplier and replaces the washer behind the crank pulley. We only use the genuine Ford stuff, change the water pump too, its not belt driven but worth changing. Do the front crank seal too. Sump off, wash the pump out and replace the oil pump belt too.

Thanks Steve. I know him well so will have a conversation beforehand.

[Nyloc20]

BenS94 said:

Nyloc20 said:

In case anyone’s thinking about buying a newer 1.0L Ecoboost, we’ve had my wife’s 70 plate ST Line X from almost new. It’s now on 26k miles and has been totally reliable(as you’d hope) and enjoyable to drive. I used to say it wasn’t a car for long distances but we often use it now for such trips to keep the miles down on my Focus ST for pleasure trips.

Thats the Fox engine with a timing chain. Much better unit with a lot more torque!

Thanks for the info, I wouldn’t have known the difference but reassuring all the same. Ours is the mild hybrid, we don’t drive it hard but every so often it’s good to have a bit of a blast.

[Gas1883]

I had the 1.0 focus , ran faultlessly from 62 , 000 - 94,000( 3 yrs ) , it then lost power , ran but definite loss of power , ford quoted £120 too diagnose the fault ( did it for £97 in the end ) , said believed it was vacuum pump related , £250 to take pump apart & repair , if unable to repair £500 for a new vacuum pump , if that didn’t work they’d then look at cam belt at £1,500 , but no guarantee the issue would then be solved , we said leave it , they then suggested just spending £250 looking at pump , we said leave it
Took it too a independent Ford garage who said after reading codes I believe , showed as turbo fault ( apx £1,000) , but he wanted to speak to his mate who is a Ford tech to confirm his diagnosis, his mate said could point to various things
We then p/ x the car , making garage aware of fault
We bought a 46,000 mile 1.0 focus that runs perfect but leaks water like a sieve , boot , footwells ( front & back ) , water all over back seat , water marks everywhere , but no obvious signs of where water on seat is comming from
After various attempts resealing body / roof rails etc we seem to have solved boot but foot wells are better but still not 100% solved
I love my fords , focus does everything I require but though I’m thinking the new one ( mk4 ) might be the answer , I will probably ( sadly ) try another manufacturer

[wyson]

All those problems for your 1st Focus tally with the wetbelt breaking up in the engine oil. Exactly the same problems on the Peugeot 1.2 Puretech and Honda 1.0 when the wetbelt starts breaking up.

Edited by wyson on Friday 15th December 07:13