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Wulf Sternhammer said:
At first I thought this was all of the money......However....
https://www.carandclassic.com/l/C1665054
After pondering for a while and having a look at what other, newer cars your £13K would buy, I'm not so sure it is too expensive.
Afterall, It has a smooth, bork resistant petrol V6 in a segmant where newer stuff typically would be fitted with an overly complicated diesel, probably with a miriad of potential timing chain/dpf/adblu issues. It has all the stuff you really want, like ABS, airbags, cruise control, AC and a sunroof but none of the over complicated stuff you don't need.
Such a low mileage in a car which has a reputation for wearing huge mileages well, means it would make long ownership attractive.
As for the fact that it is considered wrong wheel drive by some, the Legend has never had any sporty aspirations at all, so does it really matter? Just look at the depth of those sidewalls and the plushness of the seats. This car is all about the waft. With that engine, the waft would also be fairly effortless.
Plus I doubt many would disagree that it really is a handsome looking thing.
I'm a big fan of these cars and would happily own one, but 13 grand is insane, even for a Friday. https://www.carandclassic.com/l/C1665054
After pondering for a while and having a look at what other, newer cars your £13K would buy, I'm not so sure it is too expensive.
Afterall, It has a smooth, bork resistant petrol V6 in a segmant where newer stuff typically would be fitted with an overly complicated diesel, probably with a miriad of potential timing chain/dpf/adblu issues. It has all the stuff you really want, like ABS, airbags, cruise control, AC and a sunroof but none of the over complicated stuff you don't need.
Such a low mileage in a car which has a reputation for wearing huge mileages well, means it would make long ownership attractive.
As for the fact that it is considered wrong wheel drive by some, the Legend has never had any sporty aspirations at all, so does it really matter? Just look at the depth of those sidewalls and the plushness of the seats. This car is all about the waft. With that engine, the waft would also be fairly effortless.
Plus I doubt many would disagree that it really is a handsome looking thing.
CharlesdeGaulle said:
Wulf Sternhammer said:
At first I thought this was all of the money......However....
https://www.carandclassic.com/l/C1665054
After pondering for a while and having a look at what other, newer cars your £13K would buy, I'm not so sure it is too expensive.
Afterall, It has a smooth, bork resistant petrol V6 in a segmant where newer stuff typically would be fitted with an overly complicated diesel, probably with a miriad of potential timing chain/dpf/adblu issues. It has all the stuff you really want, like ABS, airbags, cruise control, AC and a sunroof but none of the over complicated stuff you don't need.
Such a low mileage in a car which has a reputation for wearing huge mileages well, means it would make long ownership attractive.
As for the fact that it is considered wrong wheel drive by some, the Legend has never had any sporty aspirations at all, so does it really matter? Just look at the depth of those sidewalls and the plushness of the seats. This car is all about the waft. With that engine, the waft would also be fairly effortless.
Plus I doubt many would disagree that it really is a handsome looking thing.
I'm a big fan of these cars and would happily own one, but 13 grand is insane, even for a Friday. https://www.carandclassic.com/l/C1665054
After pondering for a while and having a look at what other, newer cars your £13K would buy, I'm not so sure it is too expensive.
Afterall, It has a smooth, bork resistant petrol V6 in a segmant where newer stuff typically would be fitted with an overly complicated diesel, probably with a miriad of potential timing chain/dpf/adblu issues. It has all the stuff you really want, like ABS, airbags, cruise control, AC and a sunroof but none of the over complicated stuff you don't need.
Such a low mileage in a car which has a reputation for wearing huge mileages well, means it would make long ownership attractive.
As for the fact that it is considered wrong wheel drive by some, the Legend has never had any sporty aspirations at all, so does it really matter? Just look at the depth of those sidewalls and the plushness of the seats. This car is all about the waft. With that engine, the waft would also be fairly effortless.
Plus I doubt many would disagree that it really is a handsome looking thing.
bolidemichael said:
It’s Friday and this S600L looks very nice but, having been stored for two years and dealer selling it ‘as seen’.
Bizarrely, it’s simultaneously declared as being SORN yet welcoming test drives… unless they’re located on a generously sized private estate..?
That's been on here a few times. The more I see it the more I want to buy it and immediately lose all my money. Bizarrely, it’s simultaneously declared as being SORN yet welcoming test drives… unless they’re located on a generously sized private estate..?
ingenieur said:
bolidemichael said:
It’s Friday and this S600L looks very nice but, having been stored for two years and dealer selling it ‘as seen’.
Bizarrely, it’s simultaneously declared as being SORN yet welcoming test drives… unless they’re located on a generously sized private estate..?
That's been on here a few times. The more I see it the more I want to buy it and immediately lose all my money. Bizarrely, it’s simultaneously declared as being SORN yet welcoming test drives… unless they’re located on a generously sized private estate..?
Same with this CL500 which just popped up on my FB marketplace feed.....
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/37259072...
Swervin_Mervin said:
I was about to say the very same. Lovely things but is that not steep? But is it a case of find another? They seem to be very thin on the ground.
They were pretty thin on the ground when they were current! Sure, it'll be a case of 'find another' but I don't think it's special enough to warrant that sort of money, nice though it is. At about half that I'd be seriously tempted.
E90_M3Ross said:
If I had £11k to spend on a barge, an old LS400 wouldn't get a look in. You can get an LS460 for much, much cheaper and have a few grand left for any repairs.
I suppose it's still in limbo, not quite a W126, but getting there. I think someone looking for one won't be considering a later LS in the same way that someone looking for a W126 won't be looking at a W221.Pablo16v said:
ingenieur said:
bolidemichael said:
It’s Friday and this S600L looks very nice but, having been stored for two years and dealer selling it ‘as seen’.
Bizarrely, it’s simultaneously declared as being SORN yet welcoming test drives… unless they’re located on a generously sized private estate..?
That's been on here a few times. The more I see it the more I want to buy it and immediately lose all my money. Bizarrely, it’s simultaneously declared as being SORN yet welcoming test drives… unless they’re located on a generously sized private estate..?
Same with this CL500 which just popped up on my FB marketplace feed.....
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/37259072...
CharlesdeGaulle said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
I was about to say the very same. Lovely things but is that not steep? But is it a case of find another? They seem to be very thin on the ground.
They were pretty thin on the ground when they were current! Sure, it'll be a case of 'find another' but I don't think it's special enough to warrant that sort of money, nice though it is. At about half that I'd be seriously tempted.
Rust is the big worry on these regardless of miles. A shame as I am in the same camp as the General in really liking these in both saloon and coupe form. Ditto the same era Prelude.
Wulf Sternhammer said:
At first I thought this was all of the money......However....
https://www.carandclassic.com/l/C1665054
After pondering for a while and having a look at what other, newer cars your £13K would buy, I'm not so sure it is too expensive.
Afterall, It has a smooth, bork resistant petrol V6 in a segmant where newer stuff typically would be fitted with an overly complicated diesel, probably with a miriad of potential timing chain/dpf/adblu issues. It has all the stuff you really want, like ABS, airbags, cruise control, AC and a sunroof but none of the over complicated stuff you don't need.
Such a low mileage in a car which has a reputation for wearing huge mileages well, means it would make long ownership attractive.
As for the fact that it is considered wrong wheel drive by some, the Legend has never had any sporty aspirations at all, so does it really matter? Just look at the depth of those sidewalls and the plushness of the seats. This car is all about the waft. With that engine, the waft would also be fairly effortless.
Plus I doubt many would disagree that it really is a handsome looking thing.
I bought my first Lexus LS400 from Lexus Park Lane in 1995, at 5 years old and 57,000 miles.https://www.carandclassic.com/l/C1665054
After pondering for a while and having a look at what other, newer cars your £13K would buy, I'm not so sure it is too expensive.
Afterall, It has a smooth, bork resistant petrol V6 in a segmant where newer stuff typically would be fitted with an overly complicated diesel, probably with a miriad of potential timing chain/dpf/adblu issues. It has all the stuff you really want, like ABS, airbags, cruise control, AC and a sunroof but none of the over complicated stuff you don't need.
Such a low mileage in a car which has a reputation for wearing huge mileages well, means it would make long ownership attractive.
As for the fact that it is considered wrong wheel drive by some, the Legend has never had any sporty aspirations at all, so does it really matter? Just look at the depth of those sidewalls and the plushness of the seats. This car is all about the waft. With that engine, the waft would also be fairly effortless.
Plus I doubt many would disagree that it really is a handsome looking thing.
So the same year that this Legend became a legend.
I had previously test driven a similar aged Honda Legend, but felt it was not a patch on the Lexus.
That Lexus was £17,500 (they were about £36,000 new back then) and came with a 3 year manufacturer's warranty.
So while I like the look of this 29 year old car, I am a bit demused by the price.
21st Century Man said:
E90_M3Ross said:
If I had £11k to spend on a barge, an old LS400 wouldn't get a look in. You can get an LS460 for much, much cheaper and have a few grand left for any repairs.
I suppose it's still in limbo, not quite a W126, but getting there. I think someone looking for one won't be considering a later LS in the same way that someone looking for a W126 won't be looking at a W221.QBee said:
I bought my first Lexus LS400 from Lexus Park Lane in 1995, at 5 years old and 57,000 miles.
So the same year that this Legend became a legend.
I had previously test driven a similar aged Honda Legend, but felt it was not a patch on the Lexus.
That Lexus was £17,500 (they were about £36,000 new back then) and came with a 3 year manufacturer's warranty.
So while I like the look of this 29 year old car, I am a bit demused by the price.
The Legend was more in the Vauxhall Omega/Rover 800/Ford Granada sector of the market than the LS400, which was a bonafide S Class beating car, so I'd expect it to be a fair bit crummier particularly if it was the first gen HX model with it's shared development with the Rover 800.So the same year that this Legend became a legend.
I had previously test driven a similar aged Honda Legend, but felt it was not a patch on the Lexus.
That Lexus was £17,500 (they were about £36,000 new back then) and came with a 3 year manufacturer's warranty.
So while I like the look of this 29 year old car, I am a bit demused by the price.
Must have been a huge price difference new and used at the time I'd have thought?
nobrakes said:
I often find myself looking at this seller, some fantastic Mercs I may be showing my naivety with Jap imports here, but how about this for a ~5k offering:
https://carfromjapan.com/cheap-used-lexus-gs-2012-...
https://carfromjapan.com/cheap-used-lexus-gs-2012-...
nobrakes said:
As W201s go that's pretty much perfect. Seems like good value too.GeniusOfLove said:
The Legend was more in the Vauxhall Omega/Rover 800/Ford Granada sector of the market than the LS400, which was a bonafide S Class beating car, so I'd expect it to be a fair bit crummier particularly if it was the first gen HX model with it's shared development with the Rover 800.
Must have been a huge price difference new and used at the time I'd have thought?
I don't remember it as being very much different price-wise. Must have been a huge price difference new and used at the time I'd have thought?
I had seen the LS400 being test driven by Quentin Wilson on old Top Gear, and he raved about it.
I decided I was going to have one so long as nothing else was more reliable and a better drive.
I had a test drive in a used LS400 (I was careful not to test drive a new one, as I knew I wouldn't be spending more than £18k) and absolutely loved it.
The Honda I drove was the same price, possibly a year younger, and was a decent place to be, but it just felt ordinary against the Lexus.
I actually drove the Top Gear car for several months as a loan car while my LS was having a wierd fault fixed under warranty - 212,000 miles on it's clock at the time. It was the high mileage ability that partly sold it to me, as I was doing about 30,000 a year at the time
This thing about them being bland and boring - well, I did 180,000 miles in mine.
I have owned and driven 70,000 miles a W210 E Class Avantgarde, and frankly the Lexus was a more ineresting car.
I have also driven an S class and was similarly unimpressed.
I would have another one now if I didn't have dogs in my life.
eth2190 said:
I may be showing my naivety with Jap imports here, but how about this for a ~5k offering:
https://carfromjapan.com/cheap-used-lexus-gs-2012-...
I feel it would probably be easier to get one that's already here or getting one originally sold in the UK as it's much less admin with insurance/garages. The bigger 3.5V6 has lots of torque and can run on not very much petrol even when making decent progress back from the theatre would be the pick for unruffled transportation. https://carfromjapan.com/cheap-used-lexus-gs-2012-...
Here's the cheapest hybrid GS on autotrader at just over thread max with the 3.5
TommoAE86 said:
I feel it would probably be easier to get one that's already here or getting one originally sold in the UK as it's much less admin with insurance/garages. The bigger 3.5V6 has lots of torque and can run on not very much petrol even when making decent progress back from the theatre would be the pick for unruffled transportation.
Here's the cheapest hybrid GS on autotrader at just over thread max with the 3.5
There were V8 GSs too. In the newer shape, in the UK I've only ever seen the GSF (still well over our Friday limit) but I know there was a GS460 in at least some of the world.Here's the cheapest hybrid GS on autotrader at just over thread max with the 3.5
I thought I looked after cars but bloody hell, looking at that Legend I feel like I'm down in the gutter with the rest of the kerb-thwacking Qashqai jockeys. Old household carpet so you don't wear out the floor mats which are there to stop you from wearing out the carpet. Masterful. I half imagine the owner setting up a security checkpoint near the rear door and frisking any prospective passengers for pens, drinks, sticky sweets or any studded or abrasive items of clothing before they're allowed inside.
Which brings us to the problem of any of these incredibly well-preserved examples of ultimately fairly worthless cars; what are you going to do with it? If you use it properly it's going to be ruined and you may as well have bought one in reasonable condition with a couple of the inevitable age-related scratches and dings for a quarter the price. But it's not the kind of car you can squirrel away in temperature-controlled storage in the hope of it being worth millions because while I've no doubt there are people out there who had posters of these on their bedroom walls and still think about one day fulfilling that dream, even if you gather all of them in the same place at the same time it's not exactly going to be a crowded auction house.
Really you'd have to carry on the current pattern of ownership; keeping it garaged and wanting for nothing, only going out for a couple of thousand miles per year on high days and holidays. Maybe a Festival of the Unexceptional or two in there. To the right person that might be worth £13k but finding that right person might be a bit of a search. (Unless someone wants to make me a billionaire here and now on the spot. For all my cynicism I've no doubt I would actually do it, were I in the kind of financial situation where buying a £13k car and sticking it in about £100k of climate-controlled garage space registers about the same as going down the local record shop and finding an old Who LP for cheap does for me now)
Which brings us to the problem of any of these incredibly well-preserved examples of ultimately fairly worthless cars; what are you going to do with it? If you use it properly it's going to be ruined and you may as well have bought one in reasonable condition with a couple of the inevitable age-related scratches and dings for a quarter the price. But it's not the kind of car you can squirrel away in temperature-controlled storage in the hope of it being worth millions because while I've no doubt there are people out there who had posters of these on their bedroom walls and still think about one day fulfilling that dream, even if you gather all of them in the same place at the same time it's not exactly going to be a crowded auction house.
Really you'd have to carry on the current pattern of ownership; keeping it garaged and wanting for nothing, only going out for a couple of thousand miles per year on high days and holidays. Maybe a Festival of the Unexceptional or two in there. To the right person that might be worth £13k but finding that right person might be a bit of a search. (Unless someone wants to make me a billionaire here and now on the spot. For all my cynicism I've no doubt I would actually do it, were I in the kind of financial situation where buying a £13k car and sticking it in about £100k of climate-controlled garage space registers about the same as going down the local record shop and finding an old Who LP for cheap does for me now)
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