BMW M140i vs Golf R. Which is best for Britain and tuning?

[CG2020UK]

HM-2 said:

CG2020UK said:

Now your making stuff up with blanket statements, you need to define a finish. The M140i needs time and road to grip up and get going simple as. 0-60 the Golf is quicker

Firstly, I'm using the measures you yourself have provided. Secondly, you're wrong. The M140i is faster 0-60 than the Mk7 Golf. 4.7 plays 4.6 in official stats and plenty of standard 140s have pulled times in the 4.4 range. Iirc the 140i is something like 10.9 0-100 with the R being a good20% slower.

CG2020UK said:

Even coming up with specific days for your car to be quicker is just silly.

Nobody did, you dolt.

CG2020UK said:

Car Wow videos are objective

The might be, but representative they are not. "Some random wker only managed X time on a greasy March day so that's as fast as a car can possibly go" makes you look utterly delusional.

CG2020UK said:

You coming in with your quarter mile time in the 12s means nothing as there is no evidence off it

Well, except the photos of my car doing a 12.7 second quarter, and the literally dozens of other 140is that have photographic proof and printed slips from drag racing showing completely bone stock cars doing mid 12s, and dipping as low as 12.4.

CG2020UK said:

and it’s no different to everyone claiming their engine comes with an extra 50bhp from the factory.

Well it sort of is because there's a huge wealth of documentary evidence of unmodified B58s dynoing in the 360-370 range.

Edited by HM-2 on Sunday 23 October 19:59

Jesus mate plenty of standard Rs are producing more coming out the factory come on.

End of the day both good cars depending on what you want I even think both are fun.

Real world unless your rolling and it’s dry a Golf R is going to be quicker. If it makes you feel better an M140i is better on track they say.

I know I’d be a lot more cautious poking a Golf R in the real world than an M140i coming off a slow round about or back road.

[HM-2]

CG2020UK said:

Jesus mate plenty of standard Rs are producing more coming out the factory

More than 370bhp? From a claimed 300? Where?

CG2020UK said:

Real world unless your rolling and it’s dry a Golf R is going to be quicker.

"Real world" the R is faster in the wet, 100%. Up to maybe 60 from a stationary start it's a toss up at best in the dry, and the 40 will be faster in every other metric.

Edited by HM-2 on Sunday 23 October 20:27

[CG2020UK]

HM-2 said:

CG2020UK said:

Jesus mate plenty of standard Rs are producing more coming out the factory

More than 370bhp? Where?

CG2020UK said:

Real world unless your rolling and it’s dry a Golf R is going to be quicker.

"Real world" the R is faster in the wet, 100%. Up to maybe 60 from a stationary start it's a toss up at best in the dry, and the 40 will be faster in every other metric.

Edited by HM-2 on Sunday 23 October 20:27

No mate, more than VW state not more than an M140i.

Listen if it matters that much to you and it helps you sleep better it’s as quick as you say it is.

At least your more honest than your man and his 100% traction at all times physics defying m140i.

[HM-2]

CG2020UK said:

Listen if it matters that much to you and it helps you sleep better it’s as quick as you say it is.

Personally I don't really care which is faster, I bought an M140i purely because it was vastly more enjoyable to me than the R and A45 AMG were. I gain no better sleep from stating the fact it's faster than a Golf R than I do lose it over the A45 being faster than the 140i. Both just so happens to be readily demonstrable facts.

[CG2020UK]

HM-2 said:

CG2020UK said:

Listen if it matters that much to you and it helps you sleep better it’s as quick as you say it is.

Personally I don't really care which is faster, I bought an M140i purely because it was vastly more enjoyable to me than the R and A45 AMG were. I gain no better sleep from stating the fact it's faster than a Golf R than I do lose it over the A45 being faster than the 140i. Both just so happens to be readily demonstrable facts.

Yes mate completely agree your m140i is faster as a fact when it’s bone dry and you are doing a 0-100 or a rolling race as as you aren’t sure about the 0-60 any more.

[ScoobyChris]

CG2020UK said:

At least your more honest than your man and his 100% traction at all times physics defying m140i.

Physics defying LOL

Chris

[Dylanaledhall]

When I drove the M140 it was a bone dry day granted but I was extremely impressed with the traction, didn't feel like it was RWD car in all honesty

[CG2020UK]

Dylanaledhall said:

When I drove the M140 it was a bone dry day granted but I was extremely impressed with the traction, didn't feel like it was RWD car in all honesty

I’d suggest rereading this thread from the start.

Some very knowledgeable and honest people about both cars. You’ll see a lot of the same trends pop up that echo what I say.

Both are great cars for the right user however I’m just going to stop commenting now as I’m having to attack a car I like due to some ridiculous claims.

Both good cars with neither being perfect. It’s apples vs oranges. Hope you enjoy whatever you get.

[Dylanaledhall]

CG2020UK said:

I’d suggest rereading this thread from the start.

Some very knowledgeable and honest people about both cars. You’ll see a lot of the same trends pop up that echo what I say.

Both are great cars for the right user however I’m just going to stop commenting now as I’m having to attack a car I like due to some ridiculous claims.

Both good cars with neither being perfect. It’s apples vs oranges. Hope you enjoy whatever you get.

Thanks a lot man, you've been very useful and trust me, your views are valued so thank you for taking the time not just to read the thread but also comment and engage with myself. Remember, drive safe

[JonDerz]

I’ve flicked through this thread as there’s a lot here so forgive me if I get some of the info wrong.

Am I right in saying I read someone mention your budget is £13.5k?
If so, golf R’s in the 80k odd region are around that on auction for traders, so a retail one at that price is going to be ropey and probably thrashed within an inch of its life. I saw the red one you test drove and personally (rightly or wrongly) I had alarm bells just looking at it.
M140i’s, you’re going to have the same issue, M135’s are more realistic.
If that’s not your budget then ignore the above, what is it if I’ve missed it? How much are you willing to spend on running costs/insurance/fuel etc?

When I was younger I had a similar mind set with cars. I chased power and spent a stupidly large amount of money building engines, turbo conversions etc.
If you enjoy that side of it then crack on but from a driving enjoyment point of view, Willy waving big power gets boring very quickly. Theres a lot more fun to be had from other aspects of a car than simply how fast it is in a straight line.
I MUCH preferred my remapped 330d at 300bhp to my s3 at 420bhp.
If you are interested in just pushing the power, why not keep your ST and finish the project like you planned before?

[Glenn63]

My m140 standard made 355bhp on the dyno. When it had no LSD and damp it would certainly struggle to get the power down off the line or coming out of tight bends, one wheel would be lighting up! Any 4wd car would beat it in those conditions.
It now has an LSD, PS5 tyres and 500bhp and grips just fine if it’s dry, wet will still struggle. But that’s also where I found 4wd to be more boring than rear, it takes more effort to be quick in the m140 rather than just pin the throttle and stay there in a golf R.

[JonDerz]

Glenn63 said:

My m140 standard made 355bhp on the dyno. When it had no LSD and damp it would certainly struggle to get the power down off the line or coming out of tight bends, one wheel would be lighting up! Any 4wd car would beat it in those conditions.
It now has an LSD, PS5 tyres and 500bhp and grips just fine if it’s dry, wet will still struggle. But that’s also where I found 4wd to be more boring than rear, it takes more effort to be quick in the m140 rather than just pin the throttle and stay there in a golf R.

Yeah I agree, it’s a lot more fun having to manage rwd than prodding the pedal in like a golf R imo.

[Dylanaledhall]

JonDerz said:

I’ve flicked through this thread as there’s a lot here so forgive me if I get some of the info wrong.

Am I right in saying I read someone mention your budget is £13.5k?
If so, golf R’s in the 80k odd region are around that on auction for traders, so a retail one at that price is going to be ropey and probably thrashed within an inch of its life. I saw the red one you test drove and personally (rightly or wrongly) I had alarm bells just looking at it.
M140i’s, you’re going to have the same issue, M135’s are more realistic.
If that’s not your budget then ignore the above, what is it if I’ve missed it? How much are you willing to spend on running costs/insurance/fuel etc?

When I was younger I had a similar mind set with cars. I chased power and spent a stupidly large amount of money building engines, turbo conversions etc.
If you enjoy that side of it then crack on but from a driving enjoyment point of view, Willy waving big power gets boring very quickly. Theres a lot more fun to be had from other aspects of a car than simply how fast it is in a straight line.
I MUCH preferred my remapped 330d at 300bhp to my s3 at 420bhp.
If you are interested in just pushing the power, why not keep your ST and finish the project like you planned before?

Hiya mate,

I've completely lost track of what the hell this thread was talking about at first so my apologies for that budget-wise, I can't remember if I'd set one or not so you may be correct but to be honest since this thread started I've had 3 different jobs so circumstances have changed more than once too.

I would really like to finish my ST, or at least get it to a place where I'm happy with it. But my predicament is spending more money ( at least 2k extra ) on it to get it above the 300bhp mark, to then just sell on and get another car instead. I think that's why this thread has gone on for so long. I've got an entire thread on that car too but I won't bore you with it

To be honest, it seems the 140 is a much better car than the 135 so I think it's worth the extra premium if I'm honest. I know I'm against the Golf unless someone was selling a stage 3 one with not many miles and a very good price. 240s are tickling my fancy at the mo, never driven a 2 series but can't imagine it would feel all that different to an M140 (daily driving of course).

[popeyewhite]

JonDerz said:

Yeah I agree, it’s a lot more fun having to manage rwd than prodding the pedal in like a golf R imo.

I disagree. There's no fun at all if you can't use the power half the year in a rwd car. I know because I've done it many times. However in the summer rwd cars are much more fun than all but the best awd performance cars. IMO. I seem to keep switching between the two, an expensive pastime.

[QuattroDave]

popeyewhite said:

JonDerz said:

Yeah I agree, it’s a lot more fun having to manage rwd than prodding the pedal in like a golf R imo.

I disagree. There's no fun at all if you can't use the power half the year in a rwd car. I know because I've done it many times. However in the summer rwd cars are much more fun than all but the best awd performance cars. IMO. I seem to keep switching between the two, an expensive pastime.

Interesting point and quite correct, it's always more fun driving a car where you can use all of its power. Which is why an old Alfa 147 I had with its might 120bhp 1.9JTD motor was possibly the most fun to drive of all my 60 odd cars, including my old M140i!

[JonDerz]

Dylanaledhall said:

JonDerz said:

I’ve flicked through this thread as there’s a lot here so forgive me if I get some of the info wrong.

Am I right in saying I read someone mention your budget is £13.5k?
If so, golf R’s in the 80k odd region are around that on auction for traders, so a retail one at that price is going to be ropey and probably thrashed within an inch of its life. I saw the red one you test drove and personally (rightly or wrongly) I had alarm bells just looking at it.
M140i’s, you’re going to have the same issue, M135’s are more realistic.
If that’s not your budget then ignore the above, what is it if I’ve missed it? How much are you willing to spend on running costs/insurance/fuel etc?

When I was younger I had a similar mind set with cars. I chased power and spent a stupidly large amount of money building engines, turbo conversions etc.
If you enjoy that side of it then crack on but from a driving enjoyment point of view, Willy waving big power gets boring very quickly. Theres a lot more fun to be had from other aspects of a car than simply how fast it is in a straight line.
I MUCH preferred my remapped 330d at 300bhp to my s3 at 420bhp.
If you are interested in just pushing the power, why not keep your ST and finish the project like you planned before?

Hiya mate,

I've completely lost track of what the hell this thread was talking about at first so my apologies for that budget-wise, I can't remember if I'd set one or not so you may be correct but to be honest since this thread started I've had 3 different jobs so circumstances have changed more than once too.

I would really like to finish my ST, or at least get it to a place where I'm happy with it. But my predicament is spending more money ( at least 2k extra ) on it to get it above the 300bhp mark, to then just sell on and get another car instead. I think that's why this thread has gone on for so long. I've got an entire thread on that car too but I won't bore you with it

To be honest, it seems the 140 is a much better car than the 135 so I think it's worth the extra premium if I'm honest. I know I'm against the Golf unless someone was selling a stage 3 one with not many miles and a very good price. 240s are tickling my fancy at the mo, never driven a 2 series but can't imagine it would feel all that different to an M140 (daily driving of course).

Ah okay gotcha. You test drove an m140i didn’t you and liked it? How come you’ve not pulled the trigger if it ticks your boxes? Maybe you should try test driving an m240i and see if that feels a bit more special to you kinda thing.

[JonDerz]

popeyewhite said:

JonDerz said:

Yeah I agree, it’s a lot more fun having to manage rwd than prodding the pedal in like a golf R imo.

I disagree. There's no fun at all if you can't use the power half the year in a rwd car. I know because I've done it many times. However in the summer rwd cars are much more fun than all but the best awd performance cars. IMO. I seem to keep switching between the two, an expensive pastime.

Hmm each to their own, personally I find it more fun feeling the back end moving about rather than planting it in awd. I think it might also depend on how much power we’re talking in a rwd. I might think differently in say a pre LCI M4 which are meant to be quite spiky from what I’ve read.

[popeyewhite]

JonDerz said:

Hmm each to their own, personally I find it more fun feeling the back end moving about rather than planting it in awd. I think it might also depend on how much power we’re talking in a rwd. I might think differently in say a pre LCI M4 which are meant to be quite spiky from what I’ve read.

Sure, but how is it fun to need to overtake a couple of cars in the wet and feel the back end moving about? Or need to cut power back to avoid slithering about? Gets tiresome after a while and an awd avoids most of that during winter months. however having a high torque rwd car helps, high revvers like the older M3 are a f'kin nuisance. Heresy i know but there's not much wrong with fwd. Horses for courses.

[ScoobyChris]

popeyewhite said:

I disagree. There's no fun at all if you can't use the power half the year in a rwd car.

Was that on summer tyres? Running on winters I find my mildly powerful RWD continues to be enjoyable in the winter months too…

Chris

[popeyewhite]

ScoobyChris said:

Was that on summer tyres? Running on winters I find my mildly powerful RWD continues to be enjoyable in the winter months too…

Chris

Yes, summers. However I've tried both a 911 Carrera S and E63 on winters and the handling noticeably suffered/tc was triggered early. Quite possibly a power issue.