Best Lease Car Deals Available? (Vol 3)

Best Lease Car Deals Available? (Vol 3)

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rongagin

481 posts

138 months

Monday 1st August 2016
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Burwood said:
rongagin said:
Beefmeister said:
rongagin said:
Sorry if this is the wrong thread to ask for advice, if very wrong then please advise where is better.

My daughter has 6 months left on her personal lease with Arval on a BMW.
After a split with her partner she needs to apply for a mortgage. So wants to reduce financial commitments.
She has rang Arval and asked if she can pay them the 6 months left in one lump sum, they so no. She asked could she hand car back, yes but she has to pay remaining payments, ok expected. She also asked she transfer to someone else, told no.

So the guy she spoke to is saying they want the 6 payments monthly, no lump sums, whether she has the car or not? Ideally she would like to pay the 6 months now and have less monthly outgoings which will affect her mortgage application.

Has anyone else had this experience? Is there another option? Thank you in advance and sorry for a thread hijack, it may be of interest to others though?
If she still wants the car, get her to transfer the 6m money to you, and change the DD account to yours. Then she won't have them on her account.
Thanks for the reply, I don't understand what you mean by "change the DD account to yours" . Do you mean me take over the DD? Surely Arval won't let me do that? If it is possible then that is a way around things?
he means you receive 6m cash then set up a direct debit to lease company. they will have no clue what has changed because there will be a contract number as the payee reference which is all that is picked up by their bank 'rec' system. and i still think the offer to pay the 6m all at once should be an option for the lease company. if they received it they would only chip away at it monthly anyway so i suspect the advice given is wrong (by lease company) or your daughter misunderstood
My daughter specifically asked to pay the remaining payments left, in one lump sum. Which to me seems a good offer, they get the money now. But she was told you can't it must be the payment as agreed, in stages. Seems wrong, that is why I came on here to ask for the combined wisdom of PH, in the thread where people do leasing. I think I will suggest she tries again, maybe escalate higher if the same answer?'
As for the DD idea, I will certainly do that, even though the reference may be the same my account and bank would obviously be different. But if will work then it is an option.

Edit to add she didn't speak to the lease company it was Arval she spoke to.

CYMR0

3,940 posts

202 months

Monday 1st August 2016
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Harry Flashman said:
Chaps, I have never leased a car, so forgive some basic questions.

My mother needs a new car - her 2003 Audi RS6 is frankly past its last legs and despite her sentimental attachment to it (it was my Dad's) it has to go. Too unreliable, and too far expensive to run.

She wants another Audi, probably an A6 saloon or A7 sportback.

I was thinking that a lease may be her best option: she has her own business that the car can be run through, or she can go personal.

Anyone have a go-to place for Audi? I'd like minimum hassle for her, so a service package/tax etc would be great (which is more standard in PCH I think?)

Her other option is financing a car through the approved used network of course. She is not wedded to brand new, but it does need warranty etc. Personally, I think she should just have a new car.

Diesel preferred (although not essential if she can get decent economy), has to be automatic.

Any tips helpful! I am searching through google as well. I aso need her to speak to her accountant about whether leasing through the business is the best plan or not: I have no idea what the tax implications are. She does about 8000 miles a year, her daily commute is about 20 miles in total, so needs to have a 10,000 mile limit on it, 5000 won't be enough.

Her nearest Audi dealer is in Camberley. I'm arranging some test drives etc, but wouldn't mind some input from anyone who knows more about this than I do (which is anyone posting on this thread!).

Help appreciated.

Edited by Harry Flashman on Monday 1st August 15:56
The mileage issue isn't huge with Audi - she can just pay the 7.2 ppm for the extra. At 8k miles p.a. that would be £432 at the end of the contract.

For cash, a new A6 2.0 TDi SE automatic saloon is £25,693 via DriveTheDeal. Given that she's had the last car for so long, she's probably better off buying this and keeping it until it is getting on. If that's ten years away and she gets £2k for it in 2026, it will have cost her ~£200 a month.

The cheapest leased A6 I can find is here

http://www.ultimatevehicleleasing.co.uk/show/vehic...

That works out at £312/month once you take the deposit into account. Still worth considering if she's likely to change after less than about four or five years.

Her P11D contribution on a company car is likely to be £100/£200 a month depending on whether she is a basic or higher rate taxpayer. Against that, the business could offset the lease cost and potentially claim back half the VAT - and a quick (non-qualified) calculation suggests that that would be about £85 in total, so probably cheaper for her to go down the personal lease route.

rongagin

481 posts

138 months

Monday 1st August 2016
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senorblm said:
If it is a lease and not PCP I didnt think that it was viewed in the same way for mortgage applications because you are not financing the full value of the car.

Obviously individual circumstances but I would talk to the mortgage adviser on the likely impact of having it in her outgoings. If she has funds to pay the 6 months upfront then it seems silly that something like that would have a massive impact the lending decision
Unfortunately it does have an impact on the application for a mortgage, as a lease, pcp or whatever is basically finance.
Agreed about being silly, but lending is stricter now and often a case of "the computer says no".
Easier to shed the payments by paying them off if she can?

Unclegerry

137 posts

96 months

Monday 1st August 2016
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Beefmeister said:
rongagin said:
Sorry if this is the wrong thread to ask for advice, if very wrong then please advise where is better.

My daughter has 6 months left on her personal lease with Arval on a BMW.
After a split with her partner she needs to apply for a mortgage. So wants to reduce financial commitments.
She has rang Arval and asked if she can pay them the 6 months left in one lump sum, they so no. She asked could she hand car back, yes but she has to pay remaining payments, ok expected. She also asked she transfer to someone else, told no.

So the guy she spoke to is saying they want the 6 payments monthly, no lump sums, whether she has the car or not? Ideally she would like to pay the 6 months now and have less monthly outgoings which will affect her mortgage application.


Has anyone else had this experience? Is there another option? Thank you in advance and sorry for a thread hijack, it may be of interest to others though?
If she still wants the car, get her to transfer the 6m money to you, and change the DD account to yours. Then she won't have them on her account.

My understanding is that most lenders will disregard any loans etc with less than 6 months to run

rongagin

481 posts

138 months

Monday 1st August 2016
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Unclegerry said:

My understanding is that most lenders will disregard any loans etc with less than 6 months to run
Ok, thanks for that bit of info, will check?

fataitch

56 posts

167 months

Monday 1st August 2016
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MullacAbz said:
fataitch said:
I'm guessing you boys didn't bother calling leaseplango then ? From memory £260 on a 3/23 for 6k miles, no fees. Excess miles were a little on the high side, but only about 9p/mile if you paid upfront.
On a like for like for S3 Sportback S Tronic with metallic paint, 3+23 and 8000 miles Leaseplango were £311 and Vesoruce were £325. Two things that swung it for me:

- Lease plan go excess of 21p per mile compared to 12p on Vesource
- Leaseplango wanted the full option price to add privacy glass (£550), Vesource only added on £150

By the time you took the above into account it made more sense to go with Vesource.
I was "literally" about to commit to the Leon Cupra 3 dr but didn't really like the wheels on the black edition so was hanging back (even though it was ridiculously cheap !). My missus uses it too so went for the easy life (yet a chunk more expensive) option and plumped for the S3 instead. 6k miles was £260, but i added 2k miles more and the service pack, mainly for the tyres, ending up at £290. the excess miles weren't cheap but are negotiable and mine will show around 18p once the cooling off period is complete, but 8k is more than i need anyway. I didn't bother with options as the whole point of leasing was to bag a good deal and keep the price down. We have other cars with toys for that stuff and i only work about 3 miles away. I genuinely can't fathom the options thing, it must be down to each finance house how they value the residual, there's no consistency though. Option to extend ad-infinitum at the end too as per current deal.

fataitch

56 posts

167 months

Monday 1st August 2016
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clio007 said:
fataitch said:
JD said:
MullacAbz said:
It is the same deal, it is the one I signed up for at the beginning of June.

EDIT: Broker also sent through the audi order number so I can track the build online, currently in for build week 38 (19th September).

Edited by MullacAbz on Friday 29th July 17:00
Snap, 26th of September for mine cool
I'm guessing you boys didn't bother calling leaseplango then ? From memory £260 on a 3/23 for 6k miles, no fees. Excess miles were a little on the high side, but only about 9p/mile if you paid upfront.
Thats a great deal if true. I cant see it being 6750 for the S3 over 2 years.



I know, £6750 is way too cheap, it was £6760; and it is a great deal. 20.9% of rrp, 24.3% of discounted price (orange wheels).


Edited by clio007 on Monday 1st August 09:44

beeej

1,400 posts

195 months

Monday 1st August 2016
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Trabi601 said:
With admin, works out at £227.50 per month all-in.
Isn't it £222.49? lease maths, I could be wrong: (2400+180+(23*119.99))/24 ?

Either way, this seems to be £20pm *cheaper* than the price for these A4 1.4T FSI Sports when first available a few months ago.

So I also make it one of the best value lease deals going.

beeej

1,400 posts

195 months

Monday 1st August 2016
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Harry Flashman said:
She wants another Audi, probably an A6 saloon or A7 sportback.

I was thinking that a lease may be her best option: she has her own business that the car can be run through, or she can go personal.

Anyone have a go-to place for Audi?

Diesel preferred
Might be worth a browse of Stable, which has a particularly well laid out site for browsing Ze Germans:

http://www.stablevehiclecontracts.co.uk/audi-leasi...

CYMR0

3,940 posts

202 months

Monday 1st August 2016
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beeej said:
Harry Flashman said:
She wants another Audi, probably an A6 saloon or A7 sportback.
Another RS6?

http://www.stablevehiclecontracts.co.uk/audi-rs6-a...

Lynch91

471 posts

141 months

Monday 1st August 2016
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Harry Flashman said:
Chaps, I have never leased a car, so forgive some basic questions.

My mother needs a new car - her 2003 Audi RS6 is frankly past its last legs and despite her sentimental attachment to it (it was my Dad's) it has to go. Too unreliable, and too far expensive to run.

She wants another Audi, probably an A6 saloon or A7 sportback.

I was thinking that a lease may be her best option: she has her own business that the car can be run through, or she can go personal.

Anyone have a go-to place for Audi? I'd like minimum hassle for her, so a service package/tax etc would be great (which is more standard in PCH I think?)

Her other option is financing a car through the approved used network of course. She is not wedded to brand new, but it does need warranty etc. Personally, I think she should just have a new car.

Diesel preferred (although not essential if she can get decent economy), has to be automatic.

Any tips helpful! I am searching through google as well. I aso need her to speak to her accountant about whether leasing through the business is the best plan or not: I have no idea what the tax implications are. She does about 8000 miles a year, her daily commute is about 20 miles in total, so needs to have a 10,000 mile limit on it, 5000 won't be enough.

Her nearest Audi dealer is in Camberley. I'm arranging some test drives etc, but wouldn't mind some input from anyone who knows more about this than I do (which is anyone posting on this thread!).

Help appreciated.

Edited by Harry Flashman on Monday 1st August 15:56
https://www.selectcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/audi/a7/hatchback/30_tdi_ultra_s_line_5dr_s_tronic/65466.html

Telecaster_

66 posts

96 months

Monday 1st August 2016
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Completely inexperienced with car leasing, are most of you business users or are these personal leases? Thinking about it but don't really have a car in mind, but would be interested in something quick that is on a good deal.

tali1

5,267 posts

203 months

Monday 1st August 2016
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With personal lease is it worth including maintenance ? Also , a friend of mine can get Motability @£230 pm) , but he does low miles(less than 8k pa) -so is he better off with personal lease ? Also his max deposit(advance payment) for Motability would be no more than £500 he wants to pay.
His insurance would be okay as he is over 40 but high risk are but reckon on between £500 -£1200 for that.

Trabi601

4,865 posts

97 months

Monday 1st August 2016
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beeej said:
Trabi601 said:
With admin, works out at £227.50 per month all-in.
Isn't it £222.49? lease maths, I could be wrong: (2400+180+(23*119.99))/24 ?

Either way, this seems to be £20pm *cheaper* than the price for these A4 1.4T FSI Sports when first available a few months ago.

So I also make it one of the best value lease deals going.
You're probably right - I had 24 payments plus deposit. Doh!

Seems like a decent deal, although I'm not convinced you'd want a small TSI engine in something as big and heavy as an A4.

beeej

1,400 posts

195 months

Monday 1st August 2016
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Telecaster_ said:
Completely inexperienced with car leasing, are most of you business users or are these personal leases?
Personal leases. To generalise, you might get a business lease if you were a VAT registered business. #LMGTFY

Telecaster_ said:
Thinking about it but don't really have a car in mind, but would be interested in something quick that is on a good deal.
Well the last page had the Audi A4 on it which is a better than average deal. And a good example of what we say most lease deals are: a compromise (the A4 is Sport trim not S-Line, a 1.4 petrol not a 2.0, etc). So read back a few pages, or read over the next few days, so that you start to get a feel for what we think is a deal and what isn't.


Telecaster_

66 posts

96 months

Monday 1st August 2016
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beeej said:
Well the last page had the Audi A4 on it which is a better than average deal. And a good example of what we say most lease deals are: a compromise (the A4 is Sport trim not S-Line, a 1.4 petrol not a 2.0, etc). So read back a few pages, or read over the next few days, so that you start to get a feel for what we think is a deal and what isn't.
I was thinking 300bhp or up and £300p/m or under.

Park

54 posts

112 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2016
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£316.80 and 272PS in an A4 Avant not close enough then ?

Sub 6 seconds to 60, with Quattro and all in S Line trim

Edit: Just realised the want is Sub £300 amortised, so £200-£250 a month. Better get on that VIP list mentioned pages back

Edited by Park on Tuesday 2nd August 06:43

talksthetorque

10,815 posts

137 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2016
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Telecaster_ said:
I was thinking 300bhp or up and £300p/m or under.
Have a look over this thread from the start,
Recently been S3s, Leon Cupras and Golf Rs all within that price, depending on your initial monthly payment of course.

WWESTY

2,690 posts

240 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2016
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Harry Flashman said:
Chaps, I have never leased a car, so forgive some basic questions

Any tips helpful! I am searching through google as well. I aso need her to speak to her accountant about whether leasing through the business is the best plan or not: I have no idea what the tax implications are. She does about 8000 miles a year, her daily commute is about 20 miles in total, so needs to have a 10,000 mile limit on it, 5000 won't be enough.

Her nearest Audi dealer is in Camberley. I'm arranging some test drives etc, but wouldn't mind some input from anyone who knows more about this than I do (which is anyone posting on this thread!).

Help appreciated.

Edited by Harry Flashman on Monday 1st August 15:56
For Audis I have found the cheapest deals at Claris, Nationwide and Vanarama.

Biggest "issue" with buying or leasing new A6's eems to be availability - seems to be about 4-6 months from date of order at the moment, but SE spec maybe better.

WWESTY

2,690 posts

240 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2016
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Has anyone on here had a response to an enquirer on the Nationwide site? The website is one of the better ones in my opinion and gives clear details both of the deals on offer and also of cars they say they have in stock. However I have sent a number of enquiries to them and yet to receive a response!

Ps yes, I know I can phone.
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