EVs... no one wants them!
Discussion
Essarell said:
The pro EV comments run along the lines of, “EV for round the doors and ice for when we need to travel farther than the next postcode “ The government mandate means we now have 2.5 t cordless vehicles on our city streets, who would have thought that this unintended consequence would befall us?
If it’s a cheap, reliable, practical car that’s required then why not one of these:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024031375...
Cool as a penguins undercarriage
In the interests of urban air quality you do really want zero tailpipe emissions vehicles in cities. Most ICE cars are a bit chubby these days so the claims around extra weight of an EV are a bit of red herring besides which a Tesla model 3 weighs a broadly similar amount to a 3 series diesel. We all know which one is preferable from an AQI persepective.If it’s a cheap, reliable, practical car that’s required then why not one of these:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024031375...
Cool as a penguins undercarriage
eliot said:
Something will have to be done at some point because the government collect 53p duty and 20% vat on every litre of fuel sold, but only collect 5% vat on every kwh of domestic electricity sold.
Google suggests £26bn is raised on tax and duty - let’s assume hgv isn’t going ev anytime soon, so maybe £10bn deficit in tax that will need to be collected elsewhere
They cant do anything just yet - because ev sales would tank, but there will be a crossover point where they know they can implement it without any pushback - probably when ice cars are no longer made or prohibitively expensive.
proper bik rates for ev will return at some point too.
Road tax is way too cheap, silly cheap for all but the top couple of categories. Google suggests £26bn is raised on tax and duty - let’s assume hgv isn’t going ev anytime soon, so maybe £10bn deficit in tax that will need to be collected elsewhere
They cant do anything just yet - because ev sales would tank, but there will be a crossover point where they know they can implement it without any pushback - probably when ice cars are no longer made or prohibitively expensive.
proper bik rates for ev will return at some point too.
It's needs completely overhauling. I'd start by basing it on weight with the starting price at £300pa. Have the average in the £4-500 range and if you want to run a 3t FFRR then make it something like £2kpa.
I'm not sure why most cars on the road pay virtually nothing (less than 50p a day).
ChocolateFrog said:
Road tax is way too cheap, silly cheap for all but the top couple of categories.
It's needs completely overhauling. I'd start by basing it on weight with the starting price at £300pa. Have the average in the £4-500 range and if you want to run a 3t FFRR then make it something like £2kpa.
I'm not sure why most cars on the road pay virtually nothing (less than 50p a day).
Yeah definitely make it even more expensive to get to work…….im guessing your a SPAD to the current shadow chancellor?It's needs completely overhauling. I'd start by basing it on weight with the starting price at £300pa. Have the average in the £4-500 range and if you want to run a 3t FFRR then make it something like £2kpa.
I'm not sure why most cars on the road pay virtually nothing (less than 50p a day).
ChocolateFrog said:
Road tax is way too cheap, silly cheap for all but the top couple of categories.
It's needs completely overhauling. I'd start by basing it on weight with the starting price at £300pa. Have the average in the £4-500 range and if you want to run a 3t FFRR then make it something like £2kpa.
I'm not sure why most cars on the road pay virtually nothing (less than 50p a day).
A matrix of weight and emissions (I wouldn’t use CO2 personally) would seem logical. After all someone driving a 3t FFRR electric around an urban area is slightly preferable to a 2.8t FFRR petrol and significantly better than a 2.8t FFRR diesel.It's needs completely overhauling. I'd start by basing it on weight with the starting price at £300pa. Have the average in the £4-500 range and if you want to run a 3t FFRR then make it something like £2kpa.
I'm not sure why most cars on the road pay virtually nothing (less than 50p a day).
Dave200 said:
I don't think that's what people here have said. My EV is our primary car and does more than the national average mileage per year. I have other cars but they are getting increasingly less use.
When I originally switched to running two electric cars, one my myself and one for my wife, we decided initially to keep our older s-max as a spare, just in case. In the end, we found we never needed it or used it, and so we sold it, figuring I could always hire a car for the odd day we might need something different. In the end, we have never needed to do that either. I've driven my Tesla all over the UK and taken it several times to the alps. It's a pleasure to use and own.
Essarell said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Road tax is way too cheap, silly cheap for all but the top couple of categories.
It's needs completely overhauling. I'd start by basing it on weight with the starting price at £300pa. Have the average in the £4-500 range and if you want to run a 3t FFRR then make it something like £2kpa.
I'm not sure why most cars on the road pay virtually nothing (less than 50p a day).
Yeah definitely make it even more expensive to get to work…….im guessing your a SPAD to the current shadow chancellor?It's needs completely overhauling. I'd start by basing it on weight with the starting price at £300pa. Have the average in the £4-500 range and if you want to run a 3t FFRR then make it something like £2kpa.
I'm not sure why most cars on the road pay virtually nothing (less than 50p a day).
Yeah it's monumentally expensive.
Cost me less than 50p to do the 21 miles to work this morning in my 2t personal transport.
It would cost about £2.50 on the train and I'd still need to get the station.
Personal transport is epically cheap, by a factor of 10 if we're actually interested in fixing some problems.
djc206 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Road tax is way too cheap, silly cheap for all but the top couple of categories.
It's needs completely overhauling. I'd start by basing it on weight with the starting price at £300pa. Have the average in the £4-500 range and if you want to run a 3t FFRR then make it something like £2kpa.
I'm not sure why most cars on the road pay virtually nothing (less than 50p a day).
A matrix of weight and emissions (I wouldn’t use CO2 personally) would seem logical. After all someone driving a 3t FFRR electric around an urban area is slightly preferable to a 2.8t FFRR petrol and significantly better than a 2.8t FFRR diesel.It's needs completely overhauling. I'd start by basing it on weight with the starting price at £300pa. Have the average in the £4-500 range and if you want to run a 3t FFRR then make it something like £2kpa.
I'm not sure why most cars on the road pay virtually nothing (less than 50p a day).
Edited by ChocolateFrog on Friday 29th March 08:56
EddieSteadyGo said:
When I originally switched to running two electric cars, one my myself and one for my wife, we decided initially to keep our older s-max as a spare, just in case. In the end, we found we never needed it or used it, and so we sold it, figuring I could always hire a car for the odd day we might need something different. In the end, we have never needed to do that either.
I've driven my Tesla all over the UK and taken it several times to the alps. It's a pleasure to use and own.
No you’re wrong. You are only able to drive it to the next post code. It’ll run out in 15 miles. You need either a diesel Discovery or a Panda. I've driven my Tesla all over the UK and taken it several times to the alps. It's a pleasure to use and own.
dmsims said:
No this again 
Slower, smaller, less economical
and you are going to add more equipment to get near the ID3 Match
e.g. Matrix headlights, rear camera
Fair point - I haven’t bought a new car for a while so hadn’t quite realized how expensive a entry level golf has become.Slower, smaller, less economical
and you are going to add more equipment to get near the ID3 Match
e.g. Matrix headlights, rear camera
Boringvolvodriver said:
A new Golf can be had for let’s say £27,000 whilst an ID3 is £36,000 - not allowing for depreciation it will take 8 years to recoup the extra cost.
Seasonal Hero said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
When I originally switched to running two electric cars, one my myself and one for my wife, we decided initially to keep our older s-max as a spare, just in case. In the end, we found we never needed it or used it, and so we sold it, figuring I could always hire a car for the odd day we might need something different. In the end, we have never needed to do that either.
I've driven my Tesla all over the UK and taken it several times to the alps. It's a pleasure to use and own.
No you’re wrong. You are only able to drive it to the next post code. It’ll run out in 15 miles. You need either a diesel Discovery or a Panda. I've driven my Tesla all over the UK and taken it several times to the alps. It's a pleasure to use and own.
Boringvolvodriver said:
Now this is where I start to struggle with the maths - say it went up to £20 compared to say approx £60 for a petrol car doing 40 mpg ish that is a saving of £40 per 350 miles. So on 10000 miles a year a saving of £1150 (if my brain is working).
A new Golf can be had for let’s say £27,000 whilst an ID3 is £36,000 - not allowing for depreciation it will take 8 years to recoup the extra cost.
I admit I don’t know whether the serving costs are lower (I would expect them to be?) but the price differential has to come down to encourage people like me to purchase an electric car.
Your basing your calculations on list price of new models. If you only buy brand new from a dealer and don’t shop around then fair enough, but in the real world how many people actually do that?A new Golf can be had for let’s say £27,000 whilst an ID3 is £36,000 - not allowing for depreciation it will take 8 years to recoup the extra cost.
I admit I don’t know whether the serving costs are lower (I would expect them to be?) but the price differential has to come down to encourage people like me to purchase an electric car.
May be worth rerunning the calculations on this and see how long it takes?
Maracus said:
Seasonal Hero said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
When I originally switched to running two electric cars, one my myself and one for my wife, we decided initially to keep our older s-max as a spare, just in case. In the end, we found we never needed it or used it, and so we sold it, figuring I could always hire a car for the odd day we might need something different. In the end, we have never needed to do that either.
I've driven my Tesla all over the UK and taken it several times to the alps. It's a pleasure to use and own.
No you’re wrong. You are only able to drive it to the next post code. It’ll run out in 15 miles. You need either a diesel Discovery or a Panda. I've driven my Tesla all over the UK and taken it several times to the alps. It's a pleasure to use and own.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024010953...
BYD, keeping oppressive, communist states in power so we can s
t on our own economy but in a green, virtuous signalling way?Essarell said:
I’m guessing this is the kind of thing that tickles your charging leads?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024010953...
BYD, keeping oppressive, communist states in power so we can st on our own economy but in a green, virtuous signalling way?
I assume you're not using anything from China. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024010953...
BYD, keeping oppressive, communist states in power so we can s
t on our own economy but in a green, virtuous signalling way?And that to you, AQ is essentially about virtue signalling. Absolutely nothing else.
Opinions may vary fortunately.
Essarell said:
I’m guessing this is the kind of thing that tickles your charging leads?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024010953...
BYD, keeping oppressive, communist states in power so we can st on our own economy but in a green, virtuous signalling way?
You have nothing from China in your life I guess? You can only buy things made in the UK now you’ve taken that position. And immediately burn anything else. That should keep you busy over the long weekend. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024010953...
BYD, keeping oppressive, communist states in power so we can s
t on our own economy but in a green, virtuous signalling way?Why does it bother you what I or anyone else drives? Tell us. Otherwise your endless bait and switch is plain odd.
Seasonal Hero said:
No you’re wrong. You are only able to drive it to the next post code. It’ll run out in 15 miles. You need either a diesel Discovery or a Panda.
There are certainly different use cases.... who was it here running a diesel Astra because they needed to tow their challenger tank up Ben Nevis at -20c?
nickfrog said:
I assume you're not using anything from China.
And that to you, AQ is essentially about virtue signalling. Absolutely nothing else.
Opinions may vary fortunately.
Use anything Chinese? Nope, definitely not, in fact lunch today is at a lovely Sardinian place in town so they can’t even sneak a foodie one….And that to you, AQ is essentially about virtue signalling. Absolutely nothing else.
Opinions may vary fortunately.
Essarell said:
Use anything Chinese? Nope, definitely not, in fact lunch today is at a lovely Sardinian place in town so they can’t even sneak a foodie one….
Enjoy lunch. Check around your home though you might be quite surprised by how much Chinese stuff you have in it. Or as part of it actually.Seasonal Hero said:
Out of interest what are you posting here on?
Specify the make and model of computer or phone.
You're wasting your breath. He's not going to reply to that because he's not interested in a discussion. He questioned the validity of the average UK mileage data that I posted yesterday. When I shared the source he mysteriously stopped replying. Specify the make and model of computer or phone.
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