EVs... no one wants them!
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Dave200 said:
Seasonal Hero said:
Out of interest what are you posting here on?
Specify the make and model of computer or phone.
You're wasting your breath. He's not going to reply to that because he's not interested in a discussion. He questioned the validity of the average UK mileage data that I posted yesterday. When I shared the source he mysteriously stopped replying. Specify the make and model of computer or phone.
On the “do I have anything in the home from the CCCP” then of course I do, our government have ensured that arrangement is pretty much nailed on, in fact Xi Jinping probably has a whole department following this conversation right now, they’ll be well chuffed at your continued support.
Essarell said:
Dave200 said:
Seasonal Hero said:
Out of interest what are you posting here on?
Specify the make and model of computer or phone.
You're wasting your breath. He's not going to reply to that because he's not interested in a discussion. He questioned the validity of the average UK mileage data that I posted yesterday. When I shared the source he mysteriously stopped replying. Specify the make and model of computer or phone.
On the “do I have anything in the home from the CCCP” then of course I do, our government have ensured that arrangement is pretty much nailed on, in fact Xi Jinping probably has a whole department following this conversation right now, they’ll be well chuffed at your continued support.
Dave200 said:
Essarell said:
Dave200 said:
Seasonal Hero said:
Out of interest what are you posting here on?
Specify the make and model of computer or phone.
You're wasting your breath. He's not going to reply to that because he's not interested in a discussion. He questioned the validity of the average UK mileage data that I posted yesterday. When I shared the source he mysteriously stopped replying. Specify the make and model of computer or phone.
On the “do I have anything in the home from the CCCP” then of course I do, our government have ensured that arrangement is pretty much nailed on, in fact Xi Jinping probably has a whole department following this conversation right now, they’ll be well chuffed at your continued support.
Dave200 said:
The problem is that it's possible to have a car charger installed that doesn't talk to the grid as I have. In that scenario it's impossible for the energy companies to tell what I'm using that overnight cheap energy rate for.
You have similar issues with those who have solar.We'll end up with a per-mile tax. Gets around that issue.
Essarell said:
Dave200 said:
Essarell said:
Dave200 said:
Seasonal Hero said:
Out of interest what are you posting here on?
Specify the make and model of computer or phone.
You're wasting your breath. He's not going to reply to that because he's not interested in a discussion. He questioned the validity of the average UK mileage data that I posted yesterday. When I shared the source he mysteriously stopped replying. Specify the make and model of computer or phone.
On the “do I have anything in the home from the CCCP” then of course I do, our government have ensured that arrangement is pretty much nailed on, in fact Xi Jinping probably has a whole department following this conversation right now, they’ll be well chuffed at your continued support.
Dave200 said:
Essarell said:
Dave200 said:
Essarell said:
Dave200 said:
Seasonal Hero said:
Out of interest what are you posting here on?
Specify the make and model of computer or phone.
You're wasting your breath. He's not going to reply to that because he's not interested in a discussion. He questioned the validity of the average UK mileage data that I posted yesterday. When I shared the source he mysteriously stopped replying. Specify the make and model of computer or phone.
On the “do I have anything in the home from the CCCP” then of course I do, our government have ensured that arrangement is pretty much nailed on, in fact Xi Jinping probably has a whole department following this conversation right now, they’ll be well chuffed at your continued support.
Actually that’s not right.
If petrol and especially diesel cars were taxed in relation to the environmental and health harms these cause then they would be taxed more heavily even than now.
Let alone commercial airliners. Air travel would be priced out of all but the wealthiest tourists.
There’s a good case for keeping taxes on EVs lower as they cause less damage to the environment both local and global.
If petrol and especially diesel cars were taxed in relation to the environmental and health harms these cause then they would be taxed more heavily even than now.
Let alone commercial airliners. Air travel would be priced out of all but the wealthiest tourists.
There’s a good case for keeping taxes on EVs lower as they cause less damage to the environment both local and global.
Essarell said:
Dave200 said:
Essarell said:
Dave200 said:
Essarell said:
Dave200 said:
Seasonal Hero said:
Out of interest what are you posting here on?
Specify the make and model of computer or phone.
You're wasting your breath. He's not going to reply to that because he's not interested in a discussion. He questioned the validity of the average UK mileage data that I posted yesterday. When I shared the source he mysteriously stopped replying. Specify the make and model of computer or phone.
On the “do I have anything in the home from the CCCP” then of course I do, our government have ensured that arrangement is pretty much nailed on, in fact Xi Jinping probably has a whole department following this conversation right now, they’ll be well chuffed at your continued support.
740EVTORQUES said:
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If petrol and especially diesel cars were taxed in relation to the environmental and health harms these cause then they would be taxed more heavily even than now.
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My view is that we will look back at the time when we allowed petrol and diesel cars to belch out poisonous fumes like the time before the smoking ban in pubs. If petrol and especially diesel cars were taxed in relation to the environmental and health harms these cause then they would be taxed more heavily even than now.
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I remember going to the pub before the ban, and even though I didn't smoke, my clothes the following day would reek and be almost stiff with the odour of stale smoke. That used to be normal. Only the most selfish smoker would want to go back to that time.
Now if I take my kids to school in the morning, there is often a long queue of traffic, mostly petrol and diesels, all pushing out various oxides and particulates. And we all have to breathe it in, including children, whether we like it or not.
I suspect in the future, people won't believe how our current society cared so little about the quality of air that we breathe.
740EVTORQUES said:
Actually that’s not right.
If petrol and especially diesel cars were taxed in relation to the environmental and health harms these cause then they would be taxed more heavily even than now.
Let alone commercial airliners. Air travel would be priced out of all but the wealthiest tourists.
There’s a good case for keeping taxes on EVs lower as they cause less damage to the environment both local and global.
Air travel isn’t as bad as it’s made out to be. An A320 burns roughly 3000 litres per hour. With 180 sun-seekers on board that’s less than 70 litres each to get from London to Majorca and back. Trivial really considering most people only do it once or twice a year.If petrol and especially diesel cars were taxed in relation to the environmental and health harms these cause then they would be taxed more heavily even than now.
Let alone commercial airliners. Air travel would be priced out of all but the wealthiest tourists.
There’s a good case for keeping taxes on EVs lower as they cause less damage to the environment both local and global.
EFA
EddieSteadyGo said:
Now if I take my kids to school in the morning, there is often a long queue of traffic, diesels, pushing out various oxides and particulates. And we all have to breathe it in, including children, whether we like it or not.
I suspect in the future, people won't believe how our current society cared so little about the quality of air that we breathe.
I suspect in the future, people won't believe how our current society cared so little about the quality of air that we breathe.
dmsims said:
EFA
Mind you aren’t the latest diesels supposed to be clean enough not to be charged for the ULEZ?EddieSteadyGo said:
Now if I take my kids to school in the morning, there is often a long queue of traffic, diesels, pushing out various oxides and particulates. And we all have to breathe it in, including children, whether we like it or not.
I suspect in the future, people won't believe how our current society cared so little about the quality of air that we breathe.
I suspect in the future, people won't believe how our current society cared so little about the quality of air that we breathe.
I would rather the narrative was that electric cars are better for clean air (which undoubtedly they are) than for the CO2 emissions causing climate change.
Dave200 said:
But the government aren't mandating that all non-evs are crushed in January 2035. And I think you'll still be able to buy hybrids if new cars are your bag It's not the end of the world.
Not in the UK as things stand - new cars sold will have to be Zero emissions, defined as 0g/km CO2 to WLTP from 2035 so that means no petrol or Diesel hybrids. dmsims said:
No this again 
Slower, smaller, less economical
and you are going to add more equipment to get near the ID3 Match
e.g. Matrix headlights, rear camera
This shows what I've been thinking recently, i.e. that petrol and BEV cars have become much closer in price than they were a few years ago. I checked in the early Leaf years and roughly the Leaf was about 70% more than a Note or Pulsar, hybrids similar (Ampera was double the price of an Astra) but the spec differences made comparisons difficult.Slower, smaller, less economical
and you are going to add more equipment to get near the ID3 Match
e.g. Matrix headlights, rear camera
Boringvolvodriver said:
A new Golf can be had for let’s say £27,000 whilst an ID3 is £36,000 - not allowing for depreciation it will take 8 years to recoup the extra cost.
Your example is probably a reasonable match now, i.e. Golf auto vs ID.3 are both about £35,000.
Can't help thinking it's all happened since the elec price cap went up, probably connected!
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