Replacing a 130i m-sport
Discussion
having had four previous subaru's (impreza) I'm leading towards the jap market. certainly seem to harm your wallet a lot less than equivalent European cars.
alas I always end up parting with them as my wife absolutely hates them. she doesn't like the sound or the fact the badge indicates "yob" or youth. can't argue but for a daily fun car or crosa country blast there are few better.
id be tempted by an impreza hatch or saloon again. The 2.5 doesn't put me off. The horror stories can be true but they are such a torque engine. they pull and pull.
I've not had a spec b legacy but I think id miss the turbo if I went for one.
I'm interested in a civic type r (fn2) or Integra dc5 too.
Mazda 6 mps just doesn't look right IMHO but I've heard they drive as well as a Q car type impreza.
alas I always end up parting with them as my wife absolutely hates them. she doesn't like the sound or the fact the badge indicates "yob" or youth. can't argue but for a daily fun car or crosa country blast there are few better.
id be tempted by an impreza hatch or saloon again. The 2.5 doesn't put me off. The horror stories can be true but they are such a torque engine. they pull and pull.
I've not had a spec b legacy but I think id miss the turbo if I went for one.
I'm interested in a civic type r (fn2) or Integra dc5 too.
Mazda 6 mps just doesn't look right IMHO but I've heard they drive as well as a Q car type impreza.
We've had a pair of 2l turbo Imprezas, a pair of 2.5l turbo Imprezas and my mother & brother both have 2.5l turbo Foresters. Both of the 2l Imprezas blew their engines (1 piston on each and both were standard), the 2.5l cars have all been faultless, except for the stupid secondary air pump things on both Foresters. The 2.5l cars lonly seem to give trouble when they are highly tuned.
The Foresters are no quicker than our 3l Outback, I think a manual spec B Legacy might have the edge on a standard Forester turbo. The Forester turbo urge is quite rewarding, the flat 6 n/a throttle response & power/torque delivery characteristics are lovely. It will scream like a 130i if you want it to. The Outback is a presentable country car and the Legacy is acceptable by association, they do not have the Imprezas' image...neither do the Foresters.
Forester XT or XTEN? 2.5l turbo Impreza in country clothes?
The Foresters are no quicker than our 3l Outback, I think a manual spec B Legacy might have the edge on a standard Forester turbo. The Forester turbo urge is quite rewarding, the flat 6 n/a throttle response & power/torque delivery characteristics are lovely. It will scream like a 130i if you want it to. The Outback is a presentable country car and the Legacy is acceptable by association, they do not have the Imprezas' image...neither do the Foresters.
Forester XT or XTEN? 2.5l turbo Impreza in country clothes?
Edited by Toed64 on Monday 2nd April 08:40
stevekoz said:
having had four previous subaru's (impreza) I'm leading towards the jap market. certainly seem to harm your wallet a lot less than equivalent European cars.
alas I always end up parting with them as my wife absolutely hates them. she doesn't like the sound or the fact the badge indicates "yob" or youth. can't argue but for a daily fun car or crosa country blast there are few better.
id be tempted by an impreza hatch or saloon again. The 2.5 doesn't put me off. The horror stories can be true but they are such a torque engine. they pull and pull.
I've not had a spec b legacy but I think id miss the turbo if I went for one.
I'm interested in a civic type r (fn2) or Integra dc5 too.
Mazda 6 mps just doesn't look right IMHO but I've heard they drive as well as a Q car type impreza.
try a SpecB legacy, you will be surprised. I was in a 2.0 TS Legacy and the 0-60 in that is not far off my own SpecB which is remapped (yes, you can remap the H6).alas I always end up parting with them as my wife absolutely hates them. she doesn't like the sound or the fact the badge indicates "yob" or youth. can't argue but for a daily fun car or crosa country blast there are few better.
id be tempted by an impreza hatch or saloon again. The 2.5 doesn't put me off. The horror stories can be true but they are such a torque engine. they pull and pull.
I've not had a spec b legacy but I think id miss the turbo if I went for one.
I'm interested in a civic type r (fn2) or Integra dc5 too.
Mazda 6 mps just doesn't look right IMHO but I've heard they drive as well as a Q car type impreza.
i would find it hard to get a German car that offers specs, performance, AWD and reliability for the same money you would spend on a similar Legacy.
so a fellow forum member reminded me to update the thread as there had been som eupdates following the bank holiday.
Following a conversatin with my mechanic he advised that there were a few areas left to investigate that hadn't already.So over the bank holiday i decided to give those a go myself.
Which. Currently (fingers crossed) seemed to have sorted my woes with the misfire.
I swapped out injector no.6 and cleaned the remaining five. I also emoved and cleaned the vanos solenoids and after all refitting a day of slightly lumpy running. Thins now appear to be much smoother and there is no apparent misfire at all across any of the rev range. My money is on the injector being at fault.
That said. I am now left wondering whether to keep the 130i or to continue along the path of seling and replacing. You know, sometimes, whn you've just fallen out of love (or never fell in love for that matter) a car. So now question is do i sell it and or do i keep it.
I fi do sell im still going to struggle finding a "better" replacement for th emoney i guess, but i can't help feeling unattached to this car now its p*ssed me off lol
Following a conversatin with my mechanic he advised that there were a few areas left to investigate that hadn't already.So over the bank holiday i decided to give those a go myself.
Which. Currently (fingers crossed) seemed to have sorted my woes with the misfire.
I swapped out injector no.6 and cleaned the remaining five. I also emoved and cleaned the vanos solenoids and after all refitting a day of slightly lumpy running. Thins now appear to be much smoother and there is no apparent misfire at all across any of the rev range. My money is on the injector being at fault.
That said. I am now left wondering whether to keep the 130i or to continue along the path of seling and replacing. You know, sometimes, whn you've just fallen out of love (or never fell in love for that matter) a car. So now question is do i sell it and or do i keep it.
I fi do sell im still going to struggle finding a "better" replacement for th emoney i guess, but i can't help feeling unattached to this car now its p*ssed me off lol
stevekoz said:
so a fellow forum member reminded me to update the thread as there had been som eupdates following the bank holiday.
Following a conversatin with my mechanic he advised that there were a few areas left to investigate that hadn't already.So over the bank holiday i decided to give those a go myself.
Which. Currently (fingers crossed) seemed to have sorted my woes with the misfire.
I swapped out injector no.6 and cleaned the remaining five. I also emoved and cleaned the vanos solenoids and after all refitting a day of slightly lumpy running. Thins now appear to be much smoother and there is no apparent misfire at all across any of the rev range. My money is on the injector being at fault.
That said. I am now left wondering whether to keep the 130i or to continue along the path of seling and replacing. You know, sometimes, whn you've just fallen out of love (or never fell in love for that matter) a car. So now question is do i sell it and or do i keep it.
I fi do sell im still going to struggle finding a "better" replacement for th emoney i guess, but i can't help feeling unattached to this car now its p*ssed me off lol
BMW do some injector cleaner which 'seemed' to improve my performance and economy. It might help you too?Following a conversatin with my mechanic he advised that there were a few areas left to investigate that hadn't already.So over the bank holiday i decided to give those a go myself.
Which. Currently (fingers crossed) seemed to have sorted my woes with the misfire.
I swapped out injector no.6 and cleaned the remaining five. I also emoved and cleaned the vanos solenoids and after all refitting a day of slightly lumpy running. Thins now appear to be much smoother and there is no apparent misfire at all across any of the rev range. My money is on the injector being at fault.
That said. I am now left wondering whether to keep the 130i or to continue along the path of seling and replacing. You know, sometimes, whn you've just fallen out of love (or never fell in love for that matter) a car. So now question is do i sell it and or do i keep it.
I fi do sell im still going to struggle finding a "better" replacement for th emoney i guess, but i can't help feeling unattached to this car now its p*ssed me off lol
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-Genuine-Fuel-Petrol...
Thanks. at this stage anything is worth trying.
So.
As an update.
The car is now misfiring intermittantly. For the previous 48hours, it ran fine. No misfire at all.
Today, there was a misfire. Again on idle.
I haven't yet changed out vanos solenoids - that will be a weekend job.
I can't help think i must be on the right track though if the work i have done has turned it from a misfire that is there every day at idle. To one that is only there some days?? Maybe i'm just mad.
I just want to get it solved and for it not to be something serious. It's never felt serious to me. 8 months of driving. It doesn't burn oil, use water, overheat, rev poorly, no rough running symptoms at all - just a blip on idle. My mechanic was sure it was injectors or cylinder crack - but if its not injectors i can't see it being a cylinder crack - it would be running way rougher and given some of the drives i've taken this car on in the last 8 months i'm pretty sure it would have gone pop by now if it was going too!
Anway, thought i'd update anyone watching the thread.
So.
As an update.
The car is now misfiring intermittantly. For the previous 48hours, it ran fine. No misfire at all.
Today, there was a misfire. Again on idle.
I haven't yet changed out vanos solenoids - that will be a weekend job.
I can't help think i must be on the right track though if the work i have done has turned it from a misfire that is there every day at idle. To one that is only there some days?? Maybe i'm just mad.
I just want to get it solved and for it not to be something serious. It's never felt serious to me. 8 months of driving. It doesn't burn oil, use water, overheat, rev poorly, no rough running symptoms at all - just a blip on idle. My mechanic was sure it was injectors or cylinder crack - but if its not injectors i can't see it being a cylinder crack - it would be running way rougher and given some of the drives i've taken this car on in the last 8 months i'm pretty sure it would have gone pop by now if it was going too!
Anway, thought i'd update anyone watching the thread.
Not sure if anyone is still following this thread.
But as an update.
I finally managed to order and swap out the solenoids for the vanos (cam position sensors).
The "NEW" sensors immediately threw a code P0012 . I let the car settle a bit and despite a CEL there was no misfire on idle.
I swapped the "NEW" sensor out for the old. Threw same code. Cleaned them. Reinstalled - no code. No CEL. No misfire.
Until this morning when it reappeared on my journey to work.
So. I think, the vanos solenoids are kaput and i need the original OEM BMW solenoids rather than the cheap Chinese copies that seem to always be broke before you fit them.
Anyway. Once or If i do that. I will still be getting rid of the car as i'm at the point of hating it now. Shame. As it should have been a really nice car.
That I'd consider quick so 0-60 in 6.0 or less. Good to drive, by which i mean a car that engages the driver, nice to point in and turn. Nice amount of torque for easy and regular overtaking. Good amounts of grip.
So any suggestion feel free to keep them coming.
Cheers
But as an update.
I finally managed to order and swap out the solenoids for the vanos (cam position sensors).
The "NEW" sensors immediately threw a code P0012 . I let the car settle a bit and despite a CEL there was no misfire on idle.
I swapped the "NEW" sensor out for the old. Threw same code. Cleaned them. Reinstalled - no code. No CEL. No misfire.
Until this morning when it reappeared on my journey to work.
So. I think, the vanos solenoids are kaput and i need the original OEM BMW solenoids rather than the cheap Chinese copies that seem to always be broke before you fit them.
Anyway. Once or If i do that. I will still be getting rid of the car as i'm at the point of hating it now. Shame. As it should have been a really nice car.
That I'd consider quick so 0-60 in 6.0 or less. Good to drive, by which i mean a car that engages the driver, nice to point in and turn. Nice amount of torque for easy and regular overtaking. Good amounts of grip.
So any suggestion feel free to keep them coming.
Cheers
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