Cheap winter ride with some petrolhead dignity?
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Looking for a cheap winter ride with some petrolhead dignity.
How cheap? In the few hundred Euros range. Let's say under 1K.
What I mean with some petrolhead dignity is that it at least has some sort of redeeming factor about it, besides being just good transportation. For example I have had a Mazda 323 4 door saloon. It was very reliable, never had any problems, great transportation. But it had zero redeeming factors about it. It was ugly, it wasn't any fun, it wasn't any special. It wasn't luxurious. It wasn't fast. It had nothing. I guess the version with some petrolhead dignity would be the 323F BA for example. At least it looks kind of of sporty.
Needs to be cheap, reliable, trouble free type of car. Saloon/sedan or coupe is fine. Not interested in minivans. Not interested in estates/station wagons. Not interested in hatchbacks of the golf, polo, fiesta etc type. But liftbacks or fastbacks such as the 323F BA, Brera, Celica etc are fine. Obviously any sort of open top is out.
Would love RWD but then it would be old mercedes or old bmws. Neither cheap or reliable. So FWD is ok too.
Not too old as I want at least driver airbag and ABS for safety. So probably mid 90's and on?
Something more grown up please. Something fitting to somebody who has small kids. By that I mean something you don't always see teenagers driving with a body kit etc. And the kids don't need to ride in it. Already have a family car. This is to be my beater.
So, mid 90s and newer, cheap, reliable, LHD, 2 or 4 doors saloon or coupe, manual trans, some petrolhead dignity.
Anything?
How cheap? In the few hundred Euros range. Let's say under 1K.
What I mean with some petrolhead dignity is that it at least has some sort of redeeming factor about it, besides being just good transportation. For example I have had a Mazda 323 4 door saloon. It was very reliable, never had any problems, great transportation. But it had zero redeeming factors about it. It was ugly, it wasn't any fun, it wasn't any special. It wasn't luxurious. It wasn't fast. It had nothing. I guess the version with some petrolhead dignity would be the 323F BA for example. At least it looks kind of of sporty.
Needs to be cheap, reliable, trouble free type of car. Saloon/sedan or coupe is fine. Not interested in minivans. Not interested in estates/station wagons. Not interested in hatchbacks of the golf, polo, fiesta etc type. But liftbacks or fastbacks such as the 323F BA, Brera, Celica etc are fine. Obviously any sort of open top is out.
Would love RWD but then it would be old mercedes or old bmws. Neither cheap or reliable. So FWD is ok too.
Not too old as I want at least driver airbag and ABS for safety. So probably mid 90's and on?
Something more grown up please. Something fitting to somebody who has small kids. By that I mean something you don't always see teenagers driving with a body kit etc. And the kids don't need to ride in it. Already have a family car. This is to be my beater.
So, mid 90s and newer, cheap, reliable, LHD, 2 or 4 doors saloon or coupe, manual trans, some petrolhead dignity.
Anything?
Edited by DRVR on Monday 3rd December 16:42
Edited by DRVR on Wednesday 5th December 00:13
True that there aren't a whole lot of options with these features and fo cheap. But there are some. The prior mentioned 323F BA for example is one.
About the Hyundai, they look nice and are supposedly fun. But over here the ones under 1K are basically trash. Although I have seen the prior generation ones for 1K and in good condition. I kind of like the one with 4 round lights too. I think it looks kind of distinct and characterful. But are these cars reliable?
About the Hyundai, they look nice and are supposedly fun. But over here the ones under 1K are basically trash. Although I have seen the prior generation ones for 1K and in good condition. I kind of like the one with 4 round lights too. I think it looks kind of distinct and characterful. But are these cars reliable?
tektas said:
when talking about a few hundred €s reliability has nothing to do with the brand to be honest.
a 200€ BMW will not be more reliable than a 200€ Alfa.
You are absolutely right. To be honest any BMW is not really more reliable than an Alfa. Alfas are pretty good after a certain age. I have had Alfas.a 200€ BMW will not be more reliable than a 200€ Alfa.
But I think at this price, for reliability and cheap to run and maintain you probably have to go Japanese, Korean etc.
By the way, I think people may be misinterpreting the few hundred € as being 100 or 200. 800 is also a few hundred . It basically means under 1K.
RSTurboPaul said:
Why do you want something 'grown up' and 'fitting for someone with kids'?
Growing up is overrated and if you're buying cars to keep the neighbours happy rather than yourself...
There's nothing to do with neighbors. It's not even like this here, as I hear it is in the U.S. and maybe UK. No neighbor cares what you drive really.Growing up is overrated and if you're buying cars to keep the neighbours happy rather than yourself...
There are just some cars you basically only see kids driving. They have a bit of a reputation too. I think in the UK the term may be chav. Such as a Calibra for example. Although now as they are getting older that may change at some point. But you know what I mean. This will change according to the region. What may be a teen or chav car there may not be here and vice versa.
But I don't mind something sporty or more exotic. Just don't want something that if you go to McDonalds on a Friday night you will see dozens of driven by teens, with body kits etc.
These seem to be the options available here within budget, which have some redeeming character IMO. This is for running cars in driving condition, and not project cars, accident cars etc.
Celica T200
Hyundai Coupe 1996-2001
Ford Cougar
Opel Tigra
The Ford Puma, not surprisingly is over budget while there are plenty of Tigras within budget. That Ford cult thing.
I left out some which although within budget I couldn't care less for, or are either unreliable, or have expensive parts.
I think the Cougar is probably the most boring. I read conflicting reports on reliability too.
Tigra is not my style at all. But I hear it's fun.
Celica T200 is a little on the blend side. But at least it seems to be a good car. Being Toyota it's probably reliable. But can it bring the thrills? I hear not.
Hyundai Coupe is not the loved last generation. But actually I quite like the twin round lights ones. It has a lot of character in a time cars are blend corporate drones. Looks is in the eyes of the beholder. But I think the twin round lights one has aged better than the early one, which screams 90's IMO and is more blend. I read reports they are fun to drive, good suspension tuned by Porsche and reliable. O course not fast. But if it's fun this is what matters here.
Ford Puma. Seems like it would be the most fun. I was surprised to find it is actually larger than I thought. Time has past and you barely see them on the street. So any image it had from its heyday probably means nothing now. Although I'm not sure what image it had, if any. The Tigra had a bit of a chav or hairdresser image as I remember. Main problem with the Puma is the price. Good ones are more than double the budget. Damn Ford cult. LOL.
So this seems to be it so far.
Celica T200
Hyundai Coupe 1996-2001
Ford Cougar
Opel Tigra
The Ford Puma, not surprisingly is over budget while there are plenty of Tigras within budget. That Ford cult thing.
I left out some which although within budget I couldn't care less for, or are either unreliable, or have expensive parts.
I think the Cougar is probably the most boring. I read conflicting reports on reliability too.
Tigra is not my style at all. But I hear it's fun.
Celica T200 is a little on the blend side. But at least it seems to be a good car. Being Toyota it's probably reliable. But can it bring the thrills? I hear not.
Hyundai Coupe is not the loved last generation. But actually I quite like the twin round lights ones. It has a lot of character in a time cars are blend corporate drones. Looks is in the eyes of the beholder. But I think the twin round lights one has aged better than the early one, which screams 90's IMO and is more blend. I read reports they are fun to drive, good suspension tuned by Porsche and reliable. O course not fast. But if it's fun this is what matters here.
Ford Puma. Seems like it would be the most fun. I was surprised to find it is actually larger than I thought. Time has past and you barely see them on the street. So any image it had from its heyday probably means nothing now. Although I'm not sure what image it had, if any. The Tigra had a bit of a chav or hairdresser image as I remember. Main problem with the Puma is the price. Good ones are more than double the budget. Damn Ford cult. LOL.
So this seems to be it so far.
Ok, Celica and Cougar eliminated. Drove them yesterday. Nothing special and since the looks are at the bottom of the list, not much reason to go for it. The Cougar especially is a total bore. The Celica, if it was the GT-Four it would probably be different. But can't find that in budget and they are all RHD anyway, which is a no go. Tigra was never really on the run. I can't see myself in one.
So it seems it will be between the Ford Puma and Hyundai Coupe. In looks, for me, the Coupe wins. The Puma has that cute thing going on, which I don't really need. And is smaller all around, giving it a chubby look. The Ford Racing version looks really good though, but only made for the UK. I think there was never a LHD version of it. Pity.
So it seems it will be between the Ford Puma and Hyundai Coupe. In looks, for me, the Coupe wins. The Puma has that cute thing going on, which I don't really need. And is smaller all around, giving it a chubby look. The Ford Racing version looks really good though, but only made for the UK. I think there was never a LHD version of it. Pity.
ninjag said:
£1k (or €) opens up a little more:
Toyota MR2 2.0 GT Coupe 2dr Petrol Manual (158 bhp) 0-60 = 7.7s
Toyota Celica 1.8 190 3dr 0-60 = 7.4s
BMW 3 Series 3.0 330Ci Sport 2dr 0-60 = 6.5s
Mazda RX-8 1.3 4dr 0-60 = 6.4s
I know you said open top is out but... Saab 9-3 2.0 T Aero 2dr Convertible
I seem to have missed or overlooked a couple of replies.Toyota MR2 2.0 GT Coupe 2dr Petrol Manual (158 bhp) 0-60 = 7.7s
Toyota Celica 1.8 190 3dr 0-60 = 7.4s
BMW 3 Series 3.0 330Ci Sport 2dr 0-60 = 6.5s
Mazda RX-8 1.3 4dr 0-60 = 6.4s
I know you said open top is out but... Saab 9-3 2.0 T Aero 2dr Convertible
MR2 for that price here will be beaten to death.
Drove a Celica and found it boring somehow. This was the twin round lights one.
An old 3 series BMW is everything but reliable in my experience.
RX8 and reliable should never be even written on the same page.
keith2.2 said:
are RX-8's really a grand now? Zut alors.
Off the top of my head;
Honda Prelude
Honda Civic Coupe
Mondeo ST
Have any Vauxhall Calibras not been crashed / rusted yet?
Rover 216 or 220T coupe (tomcat) - if they still exist
Vauxhall Omega (perhaps not wholly PH but get a V6 and they can be a laugh - for a barge)
Has anyone said Mazda MX-3 / MX-6?
Never drove a Prelude. I could try. But something tells me it will be similar to the Celica, which I found boring. Not to mention there has never been a Prelude I liked the look since the pop up lights one. But that is too old by now.Off the top of my head;
Honda Prelude
Honda Civic Coupe
Mondeo ST
Have any Vauxhall Calibras not been crashed / rusted yet?
Rover 216 or 220T coupe (tomcat) - if they still exist
Vauxhall Omega (perhaps not wholly PH but get a V6 and they can be a laugh - for a barge)
Has anyone said Mazda MX-3 / MX-6?
Isn't the Civic a hatchback? I don't want hatchbacks. Or which Civic do you mean? Also find nothing appealing on it. Remember about it needing to have some redeeming factors? Either look good, or great sporty engine or something.
Omega, not looking for a barge.
Calibra, yes probably rusted. But never liked it. Here all of them had like body kits and all chaved up.
Rover, no appeal
Mondeo ST is interesting, but doubt I can get them here within budget. It's a ford and people go full stupid for old fords for some reason. The prices are stupidly high for old fords and i just refuse to pay.
I have driven a MX6 a while back. Was it only the old I drove which felt soft, lethargic and overall not sporty at all to match the looks? Looks also didn't age as well as some of the othr cars of that era such as the Puma, Hyundai Coupe, MX-3.
MX-3 is interesting for sure. I think the style has aged well. I think I like it more now than I seem to remember liking it when it was new. I remember it had a hairdresser car reputation of sorts. Today you basically never see them anymore. The style looks nice today still. The thing is, if going for something that small and cute, is there a whole lot of reason to go for a MX-3 over a Ford Puma? It seems the Puma, if you go by the great reputation it had for handling, would be a more fun ride. It seems at least as reliable and not more prone to rust than the MX-3 too? I think if one cares about it would also appreciate way more than the MX-3? I see the Puma as a future classic. Not sure about the MX-3. Although that last part is just throw away talk. Not worrying about that. But since we are comparing the 2...
Edited by DRVR on Sunday 9th December 23:48
flatso said:
Another shout for the Civic coupe and the Prelude.
Mazda MX6 with that small compact V6, there was a 323 with the V6 as well.
Citroen C5 with the waftastic oleopneumatic suspension.
C5 is interesting. But this far in the process I have come to lean more towards sporty 2 door and smaller cars. I think it will be more fun and I don't have any special needs for 4 doors. Mazda MX6 with that small compact V6, there was a 323 with the V6 as well.
Citroen C5 with the waftastic oleopneumatic suspension.
I think the only 323 V6 was the 323F? If so, I had looked into it.
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