New rear led lights and deffusers for Noble
Discussion
Things are finally moving forward on the rear lights. Graham is, over the next week, going to make a mould and start the rear lights. Once he has a mock-up for me to see, I will take some photos and post, would also like to thank Rob W for sending the lights for us to work with 
The choice is:
With perspex cover (if we go of this, the light covers will be factory fitted, so if you wanted to colour code, this would be harder. Also there's the fogging problems)
Without perspex cover (harder to clean maybe, but can be colour coded, looks sharper imho and would be my choice)
Carbon finish (yes, real carbon)
Looking into the possibility of the reactive brake light system (flashing only under hard braking)
Light size:
Both the same size
Larger inside smaller outside (would be my choice)
Silver or red (this could be any mix and could be chosen when ordering)
Standard:
All super bright LED
Straight swap units (no cutting or rewiring)
All requirments in one unit, including reflectors, fog and reverse.
Our budget figure is around £350 to £400 for the pair in standard form
Some examples bellow:
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The choice is:
With perspex cover (if we go of this, the light covers will be factory fitted, so if you wanted to colour code, this would be harder. Also there's the fogging problems)
Without perspex cover (harder to clean maybe, but can be colour coded, looks sharper imho and would be my choice)
Carbon finish (yes, real carbon)
Looking into the possibility of the reactive brake light system (flashing only under hard braking)
Light size:
Both the same size
Larger inside smaller outside (would be my choice)
Silver or red (this could be any mix and could be chosen when ordering)
Standard:
All super bright LED
Straight swap units (no cutting or rewiring)
All requirments in one unit, including reflectors, fog and reverse.
Our budget figure is around £350 to £400 for the pair in standard form
Some examples bellow:
[/quoteEdited by wessexrfc on Saturday 4th December 00:11
wessexrfc said:
Things are finally moving forward on the rear lights.
Looking into the possibility of the reactive brake light system (flashing only under hard braking)
We covered this in another thread, with absolute certainty, that facility would make them illegal for road use!Looking into the possibility of the reactive brake light system (flashing only under hard braking)
Mike.
Mike Tuckwood said:
wessexrfc said:
Things are finally moving forward on the rear lights.
Looking into the possibility of the reactive brake light system (flashing only under hard braking)
We covered this in another thread, with absolute certainty, that facility would make them illegal for road use!Looking into the possibility of the reactive brake light system (flashing only under hard braking)
Mike.
wessexrfc said:
Mike Tuckwood said:
wessexrfc said:
Things are finally moving forward on the rear lights.
Looking into the possibility of the reactive brake light system (flashing only under hard braking)
We covered this in another thread, with absolute certainty, that facility would make them illegal for road use!Looking into the possibility of the reactive brake light system (flashing only under hard braking)
Mike.
swampy56 said:
The astra VXR has flashing brake lights under hard braking, as standard.
I can't find any FACT which supports this claim, also, as it is a specific offence as pointed out earlier in this thread."Rear Red flashing lights can only be fitted to vehicles used for police purposes. (Regulation 13 of the RVLR 1989)"
It's on the statute books so vehicle manufacturers cant change it for ANY reason.
Mike.
Edited by Mike Tuckwood on Saturday 4th December 02:06
Mike Tuckwood said:
swampy56 said:
The astra VXR has flashing brake lights under hard braking, as standard.
I can't find any FACT which supports this claim, also, as it is a specific offence as pointed out earlier in this thread."Rear Red flashing lights can only be fitted to vehicles used for police purposes. (Regulation 13 of the RVLR 1989)"
It's on the statute books so vehicle manufacturers cant change it for ANY reason.
Mike.
Edited by Mike Tuckwood on Saturday 4th December 02:06
I think you'll find that the flashing lights are pulsed along with the anti-lock brakes and manufacturers claim the brake lights are being activated only as the brakes are being "pumped" by the anti-lock, and the lights only come on as the caliper bites and then releases thus getting around regulations.
Apparently ALL recent Astras with a REC (rear electric centre??) in the boot; fitted for rear electric windows etc, have this feature as standard.
The only reason people think it's only Astra VXR's is cos they are pushed harder by the boy racers who drive them
While I've never seen a single car do this on the roads ever, that doesn't necessarily mean its not true?
HOWEVER...... Any car that does do that based on what I can see is doing it illegally.
The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations are quite specific, no rear red flashing lights unless its an emergency vehicle. Vehicle manufacturers would be fully aware of this so I can't see how they could legally implement it into a new car?
There are no caveats which allow it under specific circumstances anywhere in the regs, no circumstance or action specific loop holes, if indeed those cars brake lights do flash as suggested, it's contrary to the RVLR specific regulations hence illegal.
Mike.
HOWEVER...... Any car that does do that based on what I can see is doing it illegally.
The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations are quite specific, no rear red flashing lights unless its an emergency vehicle. Vehicle manufacturers would be fully aware of this so I can't see how they could legally implement it into a new car?
There are no caveats which allow it under specific circumstances anywhere in the regs, no circumstance or action specific loop holes, if indeed those cars brake lights do flash as suggested, it's contrary to the RVLR specific regulations hence illegal.
Mike.
Mike Tuckwood said:
While I've never seen a single car do this on the roads ever, that doesn't necessarily mean its not true?
HOWEVER...... Any car that does do that based on what I can see is doing it illegally.
The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations are quite specific, no rear red flashing lights unless its an emergency vehicle. Vehicle manufacturers would be fully aware of this so I can't see how they could legally implement it into a new car?
There are no caveats which allow it under specific circumstances anywhere in the regs, no circumstance or action specific loop holes, if indeed those cars brake lights do flash as suggested, it's contrary to the RVLR specific regulations hence illegal.
Mike.
Actually a quick search confirms that it is now a requirement referred to as the Emergency Stop Signal. I draw your attention to Para. 6.23.7.1 of ECE Regulation 48 HOWEVER...... Any car that does do that based on what I can see is doing it illegally.
The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations are quite specific, no rear red flashing lights unless its an emergency vehicle. Vehicle manufacturers would be fully aware of this so I can't see how they could legally implement it into a new car?
There are no caveats which allow it under specific circumstances anywhere in the regs, no circumstance or action specific loop holes, if indeed those cars brake lights do flash as suggested, it's contrary to the RVLR specific regulations hence illegal.
Mike.
For the geeks:
6.23.7. Electrical connections
6.23.7.1. All the lamps of the emergency stop signal shall flash in phase at a frequency of 4.0 ± 1.0 Hz.
6.23.7.1.1. However, if any of the lamps of the emergency stop signal to the rear of the vehicle use filament light sources the frequency shall be 4.0 +0.0/-1.0 Hz.
6.23.7.2. The emergency stop signal shall operate independently of other lamps.
6.23.7.3. The emergency stop signal shall be activated and deactivated automatically.
6.23.7.3.1. The emergency stop signal shall be activated only when the vehicle speed is above 50 km/h and the braking system is providing the emergency braking logic signal defined in Regulations Nos. 13 and 13-H.
6.23.7.3.2. The emergency stop signal shall be automatically deactivated if the emergency braking logic signal as defined in Regulations Nos. 13 and 13-H is no longer provided or if the hazard warning signal is activated.
Ok so can Paul carry on now then
Paul bear in mind that the pictures of the NobleMods lights you've shown on my car don't have the full compliment of lights. They are missing the reverse and fog. Only other way to adapt these would be to make the tail light ring a stop/tail which would leave the inner free to be either a fog or reverse (L or R) BUT that makes the reflector too close to the brake legally.
So in summary, the NobleMods clusters can't be remade as complete units without having something mounted remotely.
Paul bear in mind that the pictures of the NobleMods lights you've shown on my car don't have the full compliment of lights. They are missing the reverse and fog. Only other way to adapt these would be to make the tail light ring a stop/tail which would leave the inner free to be either a fog or reverse (L or R) BUT that makes the reflector too close to the brake legally.
So in summary, the NobleMods clusters can't be remade as complete units without having something mounted remotely.
Blu3R said:
Ok so can Paul carry on now then
Paul bear in mind that the pictures of the NobleMods lights you've shown on my car don't have the full compliment of lights. They are missing the reverse and fog. Only other way to adapt these would be to make the tail light ring a stop/tail which would leave the inner free to be either a fog or reverse (L or R) BUT that makes the reflector too close to the brake legally.
So in summary, the NobleMods clusters can't be remade as complete units without having something mounted remotely.
Yes, back to subject and yes our lights, I'm hoping will be very close to the last pic. I wish I hadn't mentioned the bloody flashy light thingy, its only a possibility and only for the track Paul bear in mind that the pictures of the NobleMods lights you've shown on my car don't have the full compliment of lights. They are missing the reverse and fog. Only other way to adapt these would be to make the tail light ring a stop/tail which would leave the inner free to be either a fog or reverse (L or R) BUT that makes the reflector too close to the brake legally.
So in summary, the NobleMods clusters can't be remade as complete units without having something mounted remotely.
The units will have all lights required within the single unit with no need to mount remote lights or reflectors
So what is the preference or should I just get on and make them to how I would like them to look
I personally think they look best in the last picture with lens fitted although as already mentioned misting up could be an issue so if it means doing them like the noblemods lights but incorporating the reverse and fog light if possible that would be great, anything is an improvement on the standard lights.
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