Re: The New "Noble"
Discussion
Keep in mind that, like the M15 from Noble, the Rossion 1Q is a long way from reality too. All they have to show us at the moment are CAD renderings. While they look good, there are still many details to be worked out before the final design is completed and cars can actually be built. They are taking orders, like Noble is for the M15, but no one has yet seen one in the flesh. Noble may still have the MXX out before the Rossion is on the streets in the US.
Trenchtown said:
mgbond said:
bogie said:
if they could do a RHD one and get it imported that would be cool 
I sent them an email asking if it will be available in RHD.They did say it may take a bit of time to respond.
Bondy
I really don't think they're interested in screwing over Noble with some blablastory about how those parallel imports were actually intended for Japan, but "somehow" ended up with UK licenseplates. Americans tend to be a little cautious when it comes to lawsuits...
And I'm sure these kind of posts end up on someone's desk at Noble automotive Ltd/legal department. They do have internet you know...
Either way, I think you'd be helping yourself by looking at the 2nd hand market in the UK. Cheaper, and less of a hassle...
Edited by Trenchtown on Friday 13th July 12:12
It'll boil down to pocket depth and Lee's are empty, always have been. He has no way of mounting much of a defense.
Unless it very clearly stipulates that they can only build LHD then they can do what they want.
Absolutely nothing can stop them having a European showroom and offering RHD unless it specifically says so in the agreement and even then, they have all they need to produce the cars, it's not as if Noble can turn the tap of on them. Getting an injuction in the UK and then going to Europe to repeat and enforce takes time and money.
The only reason the designs were sold was that Noble was a busted flush at that point. You can bet your bottom dollar that the agreement is weak.
Not suggesting that I would want to (not sure about the styling myself) but why could you not just buy the "kit" part into Ireland or France in a crate and drive it home on a trailer. Then buy the drivetrain and fit it yourself and then get it SVA'd here in the UK as a "selfbuild"
You don't surely have to have type approval in the country of importation unless you intend to register it there.
G
You don't surely have to have type approval in the country of importation unless you intend to register it there.
G
chippie said:
I can't see why everyone is fretting over the legalities of having one of these in the UK. Simply place an order for a RHD car in the States and bring it into the country as a personal import, 1G are not importing to the UK, you are. 
Or just buy it in South Africa where its made and cars are RHD!I would assume that the 'no sales in the UK' clause was part of the original sale of rights contract. Remember that selling into multi markets means having adequate customer care in each market - and the European market is very different to the US. These things take time so maybe for Rossion outside of the USA is something for the future - Americans love their customer service - Europe tends to say - go on, help yourself - with this type of vehicle. I'm sure 'Rip Off Britian' would mean it would retail much higher than the dollar to sterling exchange rate!
As others have said I can't imagine Noble UK wanting to pick a fight if 1G sold, by accident, to a few UK owners, whatever the agreement between Lee and 1G said. It wouldn't look good for Noble UK to be in dispute with the guys they've only just sold the company to, it won't harm M15 sales as I reckon M15 purchasers by default don't want a re-bodied and up-powered M400 and it will result in more Nobles being on english roads needing UK based servicing and parts and support - good for the image, the dealers and owners and the factory. So I would fear not and purchase away. Is the £44K for a complete car or just the body minus engine and transmission? If it is its a steal, chaeper even after import tax than a UK purchased one (that is if you could buy one).
That's my analysis.
Regards
Paul C
That's my analysis.
Regards
Paul C
Why didn't Noble make it look like that in the first place?
Noble badged car looked like Kit cars, and I'd take a 911 or similar over a Noble any day. However, the Q1 car looks very good indeed, and if they sold it over here (or Noble in the first place) then I'd consider one. Especially at £44k.
How much will the M15 be? £70k
Noble are a bit like TVR. Small hardcore customer base. TVR pushed up prices and once that hardcore customer base didn't buy a new car every 2 years, they ran out of customers. Better build quality and things like Traction control and air bags would have increased their customer base.
How many Porsches would be sold today if they didn't come with Traction control or Air bags? No where near as many as they sell today.
Noble badged car looked like Kit cars, and I'd take a 911 or similar over a Noble any day. However, the Q1 car looks very good indeed, and if they sold it over here (or Noble in the first place) then I'd consider one. Especially at £44k.
How much will the M15 be? £70k
Noble are a bit like TVR. Small hardcore customer base. TVR pushed up prices and once that hardcore customer base didn't buy a new car every 2 years, they ran out of customers. Better build quality and things like Traction control and air bags would have increased their customer base.
How many Porsches would be sold today if they didn't come with Traction control or Air bags? No where near as many as they sell today.
wab172uk said:
Why didn't Noble make it look like that in the first place?
Noble badged car looked like Kit cars, and I'd take a 911 or similar over a Noble any day. However, the Q1 car looks very good indeed, and if they sold it over here (or Noble in the first place) then I'd consider one. Especially at £44k.
How much will the M15 be? £70k
Noble are a bit like TVR. Small hardcore customer base. TVR pushed up prices and once that hardcore customer base didn't buy a new car every 2 years, they ran out of customers. Better build quality and things like Traction control and air bags would have increased their customer base.
How many Porsches would be sold today if they didn't come with Traction control or Air bags? No where near as many as they sell today.
Noble badged car looked like Kit cars, and I'd take a 911 or similar over a Noble any day. However, the Q1 car looks very good indeed, and if they sold it over here (or Noble in the first place) then I'd consider one. Especially at £44k.
How much will the M15 be? £70k
Noble are a bit like TVR. Small hardcore customer base. TVR pushed up prices and once that hardcore customer base didn't buy a new car every 2 years, they ran out of customers. Better build quality and things like Traction control and air bags would have increased their customer base.
How many Porsches would be sold today if they didn't come with Traction control or Air bags? No where near as many as they sell today.
joust said:
44.6k is FOB price including drivetrain.
Add to that import duty (10% min)
Add to that VAT (17.5%)
Add to that shipping (budget 3k)
Add to that the SVA test
And you'll end up with a 65-70k car.
I think I'll stick with my M15 order TBH.
J
Let's do the maths JustinAdd to that import duty (10% min)
Add to that VAT (17.5%)
Add to that shipping (budget 3k)
Add to that the SVA test
And you'll end up with a 65-70k car.
I think I'll stick with my M15 order TBH.
J
£44,600 sticker price
plus 10% import duties = £49,060
plus 17.5% VAT on that total (you get taxed on the tax, don't you just love Mr Brown) = £57,645.50
plus shipping (cheaper than you think - £1k will AIR-FREIGHT a car these days) = £58,645.50
plus shipping insurance of around £500 = £59,145.50
plus SVA test which is £280 including an E Certificate = £59,425.50
So the total cost would be around £59,425.50.
All you would need is an address in Northern France to import it to so 1G don't break their agreement. Know anyone with such an address
goodlife said:
joust said:
44.6k is FOB price including drivetrain.
Add to that import duty (10% min)
Add to that VAT (17.5%)
Add to that shipping (budget 3k)
Add to that the SVA test
And you'll end up with a 65-70k car.
I think I'll stick with my M15 order TBH.
J
Let's do the maths JustinAdd to that import duty (10% min)
Add to that VAT (17.5%)
Add to that shipping (budget 3k)
Add to that the SVA test
And you'll end up with a 65-70k car.
I think I'll stick with my M15 order TBH.
J
£44,600 sticker price
plus 10% import duties = £49,060
plus 17.5% VAT on that total (you get taxed on the tax, don't you just love Mr Brown) = £57,645.50
plus shipping (cheaper than you think - £1k will AIR-FREIGHT a car these days) = £58,645.50
plus shipping insurance of around £500 = £59,145.50
plus SVA test which is £280 including an E Certificate = £59,425.50
So the total cost would be around £59,425.50.
All you would need is an address in Northern France to import it to so 1G don't break their agreement. Know anyone with such an address
goodlife said:
gizard said:
Don't forget that you wouldn't need to pay the USA tax - whatever that might amount to.
Surely not if it's being exported? However, keep in mind that 1G does not/cannot sell turn-key cars, so I believe you will find that the quoted price in the U.S. does not include installation of the drivetrain or transportation of the vehicle within the U.S. For example, there are transportation costs incurred from Ohio (1G) to an installer's shop and then possibly transportation from that shop to the ultimate owner. I would not be surprised if those fees would add $6-8K to the cost of the finished car, depending on where the install is done and the final shipping arrangements.
Edited by JLSELAN on Monday 16th July 17:42
goodlife said:
plus shipping (cheaper than you think - £1k will AIR-FREIGHT a car these days) = £58,645.50
plus shipping insurance of around £500 = £59,145.50
plus SVA test which is £280 including an E Certificate = £59,425.50
So the total cost would be around £59,425.50.
All you would need is an address in Northern France to import it to so 1G don't break their agreement. Know anyone with such an address
OK - hadn't realised shipping was that cheap.plus shipping insurance of around £500 = £59,145.50
plus SVA test which is £280 including an E Certificate = £59,425.50
So the total cost would be around £59,425.50.
All you would need is an address in Northern France to import it to so 1G don't break their agreement. Know anyone with such an address
However, Mr Smart Arse(TM), I think you forgot changing all the US specific parts for UK ones to pass the SVA....
Where you going to get UK rear lights from? What else would need to be changed (if they've used a standard US lights controller then that'll need to be suppliemented)
The France idea would be good, if I liked the styling. As I said, I think I'll wait until I see one "in the flesh".
J
I heard through my sources, that this lot are also looking at taking on the Ascari KZ1, with it being built in South Afirca and then resold into the US with an American engine like the Mustang or Corvette engine. That puts everything into perspective as they obviously have pretty deep pockets and are looking at this long term
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