Model X after 2 years and 28k.
Discussion
Swapped over the wheels yesteday, question was could I fit x4 20inch alloys AND x2 20inch tyres into a 6 seater X with a child seat in place??
The answer is YES! The utility of this car is quite astounding!
However I have just driven from Leicester to Gatwick in our combustion car for a work meeting. In total will be 310 miles round trip done at rush hour, rain, even at lane 3 speeds it'll be nearly 6hrs on the road all in. Even a brand new near £80k Raven 100D S would need charging at some point, even a 10 minute stop at 730am will add 20-30 minutes to the trip depending on how much traffic builds up. Where as in the combustion car I can just keep going and use around half a tank of fuel regardless of speed/route etc.
I think its only the 2nd time this year we've had to do a trip where the combustion car was simply more convenient. As much as I want an all EV drive drive way realistically I don't think I could put up with the inconvenience of having to stop and charge on work/time sensitive trips, even though its no more than 2-3 times a year we do these trips.
EV for 95% of our trips and combustion car for other 5%, given most EV owners will no doubt be 2 car families, you can get the benefit of EV motoring and not worry about the inconvenience. I think we'll be a one EV on combustion family for a long while yet
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The answer is YES! The utility of this car is quite astounding!
However I have just driven from Leicester to Gatwick in our combustion car for a work meeting. In total will be 310 miles round trip done at rush hour, rain, even at lane 3 speeds it'll be nearly 6hrs on the road all in. Even a brand new near £80k Raven 100D S would need charging at some point, even a 10 minute stop at 730am will add 20-30 minutes to the trip depending on how much traffic builds up. Where as in the combustion car I can just keep going and use around half a tank of fuel regardless of speed/route etc.
I think its only the 2nd time this year we've had to do a trip where the combustion car was simply more convenient. As much as I want an all EV drive drive way realistically I don't think I could put up with the inconvenience of having to stop and charge on work/time sensitive trips, even though its no more than 2-3 times a year we do these trips.
EV for 95% of our trips and combustion car for other 5%, given most EV owners will no doubt be 2 car families, you can get the benefit of EV motoring and not worry about the inconvenience. I think we'll be a one EV on combustion family for a long while yet
.Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 11th September 09:38
SWoll said:
So rather than plan to leave 20 minutes earlier 2-3 times a year you will keep an ICE car and do <1k miles a year in it?
Sounds ridiculous to me but everyone's circumstances are different I suppose.
Why is it ridiculous?Sounds ridiculous to me but everyone's circumstances are different I suppose.
We have two cars in the family, both get get used every day for a 10 mile commute for each. I suspect most families looking at EVs are the same.
The EV does 95% of mileage outside the routine commute, and other other 5% where charging is an inconvenience the combustion car does.
We didn't get an EV for fake green credentials, equally any brand new EV will loss far more in deprecation than our near 5 year old combustion car costs to run. Infact just the £310/year VED on a Model 3 is more than what the combustion cost to service + MOT + £10/year VED. Add in only 5k a year at a true 50mpg average using unleaded thats only £550/year in fuel. All in running costs including insurance shows our combustion car costs sub £100/year to run.
From finance point of view switching totally to EVs makes no sense, that's before adding in the long trips inconveniences. To go totally EV 100% of the time you need to be committed to the cause and prepare to pay for it with both time + money, we aren't that committed, just want a decent balance
.Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 11th September 10:29
gangzoom said:
Why is it ridiculous?
We have two cars in the family, both get get used every day for a 10 mile commute for each. I suspect most families looking at EVs are the same.
The EV does 95% of mileage outside the routine commute, and other other 5% where charging is an inconvenience the combustion car does.
We didn't get an EV for fake green credentials, equally any brand new EV will loss far more in deprecation than our near 5 year old combustion car costs to run. Infact just the £310/year VED on a Model 3 is more than what the combustion cost to service + MOT + £10/year VED. Add in only 5k a year at a true 50mpg average using unleaded thats only £550/year in fuel. All in running costs including insurance shows our combustion car costs sub £100/year to run.
From finance point of view switching totally to EVs makes no sense, that's before adding in the long trips inconveniences. To go totally EV 100% of the time you need to be committed to the cause and prepare to pay for it with both time + money, we aren't that committed, just want a decent balance.
OK, you didn't clarify that it was a financial decision in your first post you just suggested that 45-60 minutes "inconvenience" a year was enough to justify keeping an ICE car to do <1000 miles. Keeping an older and economical ICE car for minimal yearly mileage will be a cheaper option obviously (assuming no big repair bills).We have two cars in the family, both get get used every day for a 10 mile commute for each. I suspect most families looking at EVs are the same.
The EV does 95% of mileage outside the routine commute, and other other 5% where charging is an inconvenience the combustion car does.
We didn't get an EV for fake green credentials, equally any brand new EV will loss far more in deprecation than our near 5 year old combustion car costs to run. Infact just the £310/year VED on a Model 3 is more than what the combustion cost to service + MOT + £10/year VED. Add in only 5k a year at a true 50mpg average using unleaded thats only £550/year in fuel. All in running costs including insurance shows our combustion car costs sub £100/year to run.
From finance point of view switching totally to EVs makes no sense, that's before adding in the long trips inconveniences. To go totally EV 100% of the time you need to be committed to the cause and prepare to pay for it with both time + money, we aren't that committed, just want a decent balance
.Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 11th September 10:29
Out of interest when you add depreciation, maintenance, MOT, VED, fuel and insurance together for your ICE car what's the total yearly figure?
SWoll said:
OK, you didn't clarify that it was a financial decision in your first post you just suggested that 45-60 minutes "inconvenience" a year was enough to justify keeping an ICE car to do <1000 miles. Keeping an older and economical ICE car for minimal yearly mileage will be a cheaper option obviously (assuming no big repair bills).
Out of interest when you add depreciation, maintenance, MOT, VED, fuel and insurance together for your ICE car what's the total yearly figure?
We run two electric cars now as our everyday cars. However, I've kept my old s-max as a third "just in case" car. If you take into account the real costs, that car probably costs £3.5k per year, so would likely make sense just to rent one as needed when you consider the small number of miles it does. Out of interest when you add depreciation, maintenance, MOT, VED, fuel and insurance together for your ICE car what's the total yearly figure?
EddieSteadyGo said:
We run two electric cars now as our everyday cars. However, I've kept my old s-max as a third "just in case" car. If you take into account the real costs, that car probably costs £3.5k per year, so would likely make sense just to rent one as needed when you consider the small number of miles it does.
Definitely. Renting something of that size from Europcar for example would cost a couple of hundred quid a week so would likely cost you less than the insurance does to keep the S-max let alone all of the other costs involved?Might eat my words shortly as will also be full EV household with an i3 and M3P but as suggested would just rent a car for a day/week if absolutely not do-able with EV's.
SWoll said:
Out of interest when you add depreciation, maintenance, MOT, VED, fuel and insurance together for your ICE car what's the total yearly figure?
Excluding depreciation its under £100/month all in ownership costs.Depreciation is year dependent- last 9 months £0, bought new in 2015 for £33k now WBAC says £17k and going up currently, so less than 50% depreciation at 4.5 years old which is out standing and matches the best EVs. Its the equivalent of saying a SR+ Model 3 would be worth £19kish in 2023, which am not sure one would be confident with.
Swapping to a brand new EV now means paying another £30k+ to the px value, and in return we get a car that is barely any cheaper to run over 5k a year, less convenient for long trips and guaranteed to loss more value over the next 3 years.
Keeping the combustion car for another 3 years and than switching to a real life 300 miles+ range in all weather conditions/speeds EV is the plan.
Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 12th September 12:39
SWoll said:
Definitely. Renting something of that size from Europcar for example would cost a couple of hundred quid a week so would likely cost you less than the insurance does to keep the S-max let alone all of the other costs involved?
Might eat my words shortly as will also be full EV household with an i3 and M3P but as suggested would just rent a car for a day/week if absolutely not do-able with EV's.
Renting is hardly convenient though, you have to go to the rental place, worry about excess, etc.Might eat my words shortly as will also be full EV household with an i3 and M3P but as suggested would just rent a car for a day/week if absolutely not do-able with EV's.
2 EV households will be fine, but you cannot get away from the inconvenience of long distance work trips. Add in the high cost of long range EVs it doesn't make much sense to pay more for less convince at the moment for us.
Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 12th September 12:37
lost in espace said:
My mates X has got some terrible paint wear down to the metal about the size of a 50p where the falcon wing doors close. Otherwise it looks pretty good, its a 60 I think. Hoping to buy it at the end of his PCP.
Ours had this. The official fix is a thick transparent sticker on the affected area. Baldchap said:
Ours had this. The official fix is a thick transparent sticker on the affected area.
Our Dec 2016 build date X had the paint wear at the point of FWD but June 2017 build car has a 'dimple' in the metal where the paint on the old car wore, so no paint wear.Still undecided about the extended warranty though, will wait till its past 45k miles before deciding I think.
I'd dearly love to own a Model X - it would be an ideal car for me. CPO prices are still very high though, nothing under 60k at the moment. There's nothing really under 55k on Autotrader either.
I can't imagine that will have changed much when I need to get a new car in April. You can't be too disappointed with the residuals - a brand new E-Tron can be had for the same price as a two year old Model X!
I can't imagine that will have changed much when I need to get a new car in April. You can't be too disappointed with the residuals - a brand new E-Tron can be had for the same price as a two year old Model X!
Edited by Witchfinder on Thursday 12th September 23:11
Witchfinder said:
I'd dearly love to own a Model X - it would be an ideal car for me. CPO prices are still very high though, nothing under 60k at the moment. There's nothing really under 55k on Autotrader either.
I can't imagine that will have changed much when I need to get a new car in April. You can't be too disappointed with the residuals - a brand new E-Tron can be had for the same price as a two year old Model X!
I saw some (ok a couple!) much cheaper on autotrader recently. As in 30-40k. Sadly cannot remember the details and prob sold quickly so not there to see now. And asking prices don’t necessarily mean selling prices I can't imagine that will have changed much when I need to get a new car in April. You can't be too disappointed with the residuals - a brand new E-Tron can be had for the same price as a two year old Model X!
Edited by Witchfinder on Thursday 12th September 23:11
oop north said:
I saw some (ok a couple!) much cheaper on autotrader recently. As in 30-40k. Sadly cannot remember the details and prob sold quickly so not there to see now. And asking prices don’t necessarily mean selling prices
Would you really buy a "cheap" Tesla with no warranty? Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen surely?There’s one for 45k out there at the moment
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gangzoom said:
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If you compare it to smartphone progress thats the equivalent of using a iPhone 5 today, which am not sure how many people still are.
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I have a 5, still going . . . JustIf you compare it to smartphone progress thats the equivalent of using a iPhone 5 today, which am not sure how many people still are.
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SWoll said:
oop north said:
I saw some (ok a couple!) much cheaper on autotrader recently. As in 30-40k. Sadly cannot remember the details and prob sold quickly so not there to see now. And asking prices don’t necessarily mean selling prices
Would you really buy a "cheap" Tesla with no warranty? Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen surely?oop north said:
I saw some (ok a couple!) much cheaper on autotrader recently. As in 30-40k. Sadly cannot remember the details and prob sold quickly so not there to see now. And asking prices don’t necessarily mean selling prices
Would you buy a Model X costing 30k? Seems like at that price there are going to be some serious issues with it that Tesla haven't fixed over the years.Also be aware that some of the batteries tend to die around the 100-120k mile mark. Bjorn's 90kWh died at 120, I think some people had issues with the 70 around there too. Tesla replaced for free but it was goodwill and probably influenced by the fact that they are popular YouTubers, you might not be so lucky.
Extended warranty is probably a good idea.
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