Tesla unlikely to Survive (Vol. 3)

[skwdenyer]

Smiljan said:

They explain how it's supposed to work in this blog from Jan 2020.

Tesla said:

There is no “unintended acceleration” in Tesla vehicles
The Tesla Team 20 January 2020
This petition is completely false and was brought by a Tesla short-seller. We investigate every single incident where the driver alleges to us that their vehicle accelerated contrary to their input, and in every case where we had the vehicle's data, we confirmed that the car operated as designed. In other words, the car accelerates if, and only if, the driver told it to do so, and it slows or stops when the driver applies the brake.

While accidents caused by a mistaken press of the accelerator pedal have been alleged for nearly every make/model of vehicle on the road, the accelerator pedals in Model S, X and 3 vehicles have two independent position sensors, and if there is any error, the system defaults to cut off motor torque. Likewise, applying the brake pedal simultaneously with the accelerator pedal will override the accelerator pedal input and cut off motor torque, and regardless of the torque, sustained braking will stop the car. Unique to Tesla, we also use the Autopilot sensor suite to help distinguish potential pedal misapplications and cut torque to mitigate or prevent accidents when we’re confident the driver’s input was unintentional. Each system is independent and records data, so we can examine exactly what happened.

We are transparent with NHTSA, and routinely review customer complaints of unintended acceleration with them. Over the past several years, we discussed with NHTSA the majority of the complaints alleged in the petition. In every case we reviewed with them, the data proved the vehicle functioned properly.

So this Taxi driver by default must also be a short seller out killing people in a vain attempt to profit from a stock price fall.

It's also strange to see them say "each system.....records data so we can examine exactly what happened" - why then were over 100 of the cases unable to be investigated properly as no data was present?

Always good to be skeptical, especially with a company well known for misleading their customers over and over again.

Edited by Smiljan on Monday 20th December 13:17

Re 100 cases, perhaps the data recorders were burned?

I'm actually quite unhappy about the brake cutting power - I have that in my wife's car, it makes left foot braking a real pain.

[hyphen]

So are people seeing more Tesla's about? As I expected to but the amount in my local area seems the same.

Lots of vw/merc/audi and 2 or 3 Polestar 2s but no increase in tesla that I have noticed. Which is odd.

[Burwood]

hyphen said:

So are people seeing more Tesla's about? As I expected to but the amount in my local area seems the same.

Lots of vw/merc/audi and 2 or 3 Polestar 2s but no increase in tesla that I have noticed. Which is odd.

Honestly, i see a lot more EQC, Hyundai, Audi EVs but that's because there were few previously. Still, Model 3s are becoming the dominant sight in Surrey. Next would be Hyundai.

[ZesPak]

hyphen said:

So are people seeing more Tesla's about? As I expected to but the amount in my local area seems the same.

Lots of vw/merc/audi and 2 or 3 Polestar 2s but no increase in tesla that I have noticed. Which is odd.

So the people in your vicinity haven't been buying all the Tesla's?

I have no idea what to do with this information.
Maybe we should share locations so we can make a map of "perceived occurrence" per region?

[JD]

hyphen said:

So are people seeing more Tesla's about? As I expected to but the amount in my local area seems the same.

Lots of vw/merc/audi and 2 or 3 Polestar 2s but no increase in tesla that I have noticed. Which is odd.

1 in 6 of all EV's sold in the UK is a model 3, it outsells the Polestar 2 nearly 10:1.

Tesla's overall UK market share (all fuel types) is going up.

Round here they are everywhere, won't go a single journey without seeing them.

[Burwood]

JD said:

hyphen said:

So are people seeing more Tesla's about? As I expected to but the amount in my local area seems the same.

Lots of vw/merc/audi and 2 or 3 Polestar 2s but no increase in tesla that I have noticed. Which is odd.

1 in 6 of all EV's sold in the UK is a model 3, it outsells the Polestar 2 nearly 10:1.

Tesla's overall UK market share (all fuel types) is going up.

Round here they are everywhere, won't go a single journey without seeing them.

Same-every journey I see 'them'. That may be because i take the same route every time and the same 3 cars are always there

[Smiljan]

gangzoom said:

Smiljan said:

Always good to be skeptical, especially with a company well know for misleading their customers over and over again.

There's skeptical and there is just ignoring the blatant obvious facts.

The biggest cause of any accidents in any vehicle is never the equipment, certainly never software or sensor readings.

If you really care about road safety what you should be pushing for is the removal of the weakest link from operating 2ton+ metal boxes with upto 1000bhp on the roads.....

What blatant obvious facts am I ignoring In the Paris incident we’re discussing?

I’ve no idea what your being stupid photo has to do with anything.

Edited by Smiljan on Monday 20th December 16:44

[Smiljan]

gangzoom said:

The biggest cause of any accidents in any vehicle is never the equipment, certainly never software or sensor readings.

.

Since you’re going way off topic - 737 Max sensors and software killed 346 people while the designers and regulators sat back and insisted the humans in control caused the crashes.

To be so closed to any possibility other than human error without even looking into the actual cause is extremely dangerous. When you do it to make money…..criminal.

[skwdenyer]

JD said:

hyphen said:

So are people seeing more Tesla's about? As I expected to but the amount in my local area seems the same.

Lots of vw/merc/audi and 2 or 3 Polestar 2s but no increase in tesla that I have noticed. Which is odd.

1 in 6 of all EV's sold in the UK is a model 3, it outsells the Polestar 2 nearly 10:1.

Tesla's overall UK market share (all fuel types) is going up.

Round here they are everywhere, won't go a single journey without seeing them.

Yorkshire Dales here. I see quite a few Teslas. I'm not aware that I've seen *any* other EVs up here. Different story when I'm down in London.

[RichardM5]

skwdenyer said:

Yorkshire Dales here. I see quite a few Teslas. I'm not aware that I've seen *any* other EVs up here. Different story when I'm down in London.

North Yorkshire too, lots of Teslas, noticeably more than a year ago. I see a few other EV's, but more Teslas than all others combined.

[Heres Johnny]

The reason why you don’t spot other EVs is because they follow brand themes. I see an EQC most days here but it took me a while to realise what it was. An ipace over the weekend and nearly missed it. Etrons I have to look twice at to make sure. I went somewhere last week and both chargers were taken, one was a i3 and easy to recognise, the other was a MG and I would t have known if it wasn’t plugged in. I bet there are a lot more than you notice.

[TheRainMaker]

RichardM5 said:

skwdenyer said:

Yorkshire Dales here. I see quite a few Teslas. I'm not aware that I've seen *any* other EVs up here. Different story when I'm down in London.

North Yorkshire too, lots of Teslas, noticeably more than a year ago. I see a few other EV's, but more Teslas than all others combined.

As Johnny has just said, you just don't notice them.



Telsa (other imports) have grown 0.42% in the UK this year, Tesla total sales for this year in the UK are still lower than MG which is quite a suprise.

[skwdenyer]

TheRainMaker said:

RichardM5 said:

skwdenyer said:

Yorkshire Dales here. I see quite a few Teslas. I'm not aware that I've seen *any* other EVs up here. Different story when I'm down in London.

North Yorkshire too, lots of Teslas, noticeably more than a year ago. I see a few other EV's, but more Teslas than all others combined.

As Johnny has just said, you just don't notice them.



Telsa (other imports) have grown 0.42% in the UK this year, Tesla total sales for this year in the UK are still lower than MG which is quite a suprise.

Yes, I do; as stated, I see the in London. I see the odd iPace around Skipton. Where I am (high up a dale), I suspect range anxiety keeps the low-range EVs away

[off_again]

skwdenyer said:

Yes, I do; as stated, I see the in London. I see the odd iPace around Skipton. Where I am (high up a dale), I suspect range anxiety keeps the low-range EVs away

I am in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada mountains and absolutely, range (or should it be charger) anxiety does deter people. Down in the cities, absolutely more Tesla's. Up here, much less. But, I also have to be very aware of any biases too. Since there are many more cars in the bigger cities and the roads much more congested, the incidence of spotting any EV is much higher. Since the roads around me are much less congested, I need to counter those biases and be reasonable. Yes, there are fewer Teslas (and EV's), but there are also fewer cars.

[JD]

TheRainMaker said:

As Johnny has just said, you just don't notice them.



Telsa (other imports) have grown 0.42% in the UK this year, Tesla total sales for this year in the UK are still lower than MG which is quite a suprise.

It's because all of the Tesla sales are 1 model, whereas the rest of the field is 50 models which fragments it somewhat, with each model being pretty rare.

[hyphen]

Times reporting that Tesla has a problem with its Vegan leather, they are retrofitting leather in some, but also refusing to help many other owners. Apparently it bubbles up.

Also Elon (surprise, suprise) has been telling fibs again. He claimed to have sold all his houses and is living in a shed. But turns our he is living in a billionaire mates spare mansion and has also engaged agents to help him find a new mansion for himself and he has viewed several in person...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-says-he-liv...

Elons current home:

[off_again]

And don’t forget the widely reported issue with the Model 3 with 2017 battery packs in them?

Problems with supply chain and delivery, for sure, but really? Selling cars with degraded batteries? Mmm, sounds a little crappy to me.

Oh and the six sexual harassment cases against Tesla from workers at the Fremont factory. You know, that place with multiple EPA fines, a workplace that has an accident rate that is off the scale and also a racism issue. So yeah, been a same old set of stories for the savior of the human race.

[catso]

This Tesla didn't survive;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_9aVzf5fC4

[Smiljan]

Nor did this one

https://youtu.be/lDkSBqqofRc

Is there still an issue with these? There's been quite a few go up in flames from the 12v battery system faults.

[hot metal]

Yes, seeing more Tesla`s, slowly but surely, other EV`s a little harder to spot but on the up too, I`d buy one for the wife but she flatly refuses to drive an auto. Not to worry