Model 3 UK orders.
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Gandahar said:
It's 1% of the total cost of the car, if you can afford a £40-50k car you can afford a £400 remap.
Warranty wise is does affect it, though considering the number of people doing it v the number of claims by manufacturers on such I think that is a moot point.
Cool so you have to inconvenience youself by getting it remapped, paying for it and losing your warranty in the process. Sounds like a good deal!Warranty wise is does affect it, though considering the number of people doing it v the number of claims by manufacturers on such I think that is a moot point.
ZesPak said:
I usually get loads of positive feedback everywhere I go, I've never had more people (even women) interested in any of my cars, or wanting a launch in the passenger seat (not a eufemism).
But, the other day we were at a family gathering and someone brought up the Tesla outside, genuinely interested, when someone's plus one got visibly upset and started yelling every bs argument in under a minute. From "you can't drive it anywhere further than 200km" to "Telsa is the NSDAP and the batteries are mustard gas" and "that thing is parked too close to the building and is going to kill us all".
Honestly, I haven't seen that much animosity since I parked my off roader in front of a vegan store.
I like a good argument, but most people are just repeating bs they've read online.
That cuts both ways of course......But, the other day we were at a family gathering and someone brought up the Tesla outside, genuinely interested, when someone's plus one got visibly upset and started yelling every bs argument in under a minute. From "you can't drive it anywhere further than 200km" to "Telsa is the NSDAP and the batteries are mustard gas" and "that thing is parked too close to the building and is going to kill us all".
Honestly, I haven't seen that much animosity since I parked my off roader in front of a vegan store.
I like a good argument, but most people are just repeating bs they've read online.
REALIST123 said:
ZesPak said:
I usually get loads of positive feedback everywhere I go, I've never had more people (even women) interested in any of my cars, or wanting a launch in the passenger seat (not a eufemism).
But, the other day we were at a family gathering and someone brought up the Tesla outside, genuinely interested, when someone's plus one got visibly upset and started yelling every bs argument in under a minute. From "you can't drive it anywhere further than 200km" to "Telsa is the NSDAP and the batteries are mustard gas" and "that thing is parked too close to the building and is going to kill us all".
Honestly, I haven't seen that much animosity since I parked my off roader in front of a vegan store.
I like a good argument, but most people are just repeating bs they've read online.
That cuts both ways of course......But, the other day we were at a family gathering and someone brought up the Tesla outside, genuinely interested, when someone's plus one got visibly upset and started yelling every bs argument in under a minute. From "you can't drive it anywhere further than 200km" to "Telsa is the NSDAP and the batteries are mustard gas" and "that thing is parked too close to the building and is going to kill us all".
Honestly, I haven't seen that much animosity since I parked my off roader in front of a vegan store.
I like a good argument, but most people are just repeating bs they've read online.
Always exceptions of course but I don't see how you can argue this isn't the case?
jamoor said:
Gandahar said:
It's 1% of the total cost of the car, if you can afford a £40-50k car you can afford a £400 remap.
Warranty wise is does affect it, though considering the number of people doing it v the number of claims by manufacturers on such I think that is a moot point.
Cool so you have to inconvenience youself by getting it remapped, paying for it and losing your warranty in the process. Sounds like a good deal!Warranty wise is does affect it, though considering the number of people doing it v the number of claims by manufacturers on such I think that is a moot point.
I also find it slightly amusing that fellow Tesla owners (as I am one) think its great when stuff they paid for years ago is finaly delivered typically with pretty dodgy performance. The 5% increase in performance could just as equally be seen as "they've held back 5% of the performance until now". Its easy to manipulate perception and they make it feel like they're doing you a favour.
I've had 3 software updates on my MS in the last month, can't say I've really noticed anything different, can't be bothered to look at what "Joe mode" is, thats one for the regulators as its muting warning chimes from what I can tell, the rest are what, big fixes? Meanwhile DAB radio on my car doesn't tell me whats playing but I have a whoppiee cushion. I know which one has more utility to me out the 2.
And lets talk about warranty, there's an increasing number of cases where Tesla are refusing to perform whatmost would consider warranty work. Take the 85 battery packs having their capacity and charge rate slashed for one. Warranty is only worth having if you can actually book your car in and they agree to fix it.
Heres Johnny said:
FurtiveFreddy said:
Er, no. That piece was written over a year ago before track mode was even fully released.
Drive one on track yourself and then let us know how it does.
Does that make it a different drive train or just a drive train that can withstand a little more track use? And let’s not forget that Tesla are taking the MS around the ring which was where this all started fromDrive one on track yourself and then let us know how it does.
From a track session last week, I can see roughly a 2mph difference (at >100mph) at the end of a long straight comparing a lap at 63% SoC with one at 10%SoC. The laps at nearly 80% SoC aren't much faster either. You would be hard pressed as a driver or passenger to tell the difference between the first lap at 63% and the last at 10% without having data to look at.
No, the limiting factor for driving the 3P+ on a track isn't the drivetrain. It's the brakes, tyres and lack of adjustment in the suspension and they can all be addressed with aftermarket parts. Even if you leave everything standard, it can cope very well as long as you're not a circuit hard on brakes.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Heres Johnny said:
FurtiveFreddy said:
Er, no. That piece was written over a year ago before track mode was even fully released.
Drive one on track yourself and then let us know how it does.
Does that make it a different drive train or just a drive train that can withstand a little more track use? And let’s not forget that Tesla are taking the MS around the ring which was where this all started fromDrive one on track yourself and then let us know how it does.
From a track session last week, I can see roughly a 2mph difference (at >100mph) at the end of a long straight comparing a lap at 63% SoC with one at 10%SoC. The laps at nearly 80% SoC aren't much faster either. You would be hard pressed as a driver or passenger to tell the difference between the first lap at 63% and the last at 10% without having data to look at.
No, the limiting factor for driving the 3P+ on a track isn't the drivetrain. It's the brakes, tyres and lack of adjustment in the suspension and they can all be addressed with aftermarket parts. Even if you leave everything standard, it can cope very well as long as you're not a circuit hard on brakes.
In the interests of actually having a meaningful debate with you: If you can't notice any noticeable performance difference in the battery then maybe Tesla have learnt and are holding back on the M3 to give a much more consistent performance irrespective of SoC. It wil lbe interesting to see what happens when they eek out this extra 5%. Its a very common observation on the higher performance MS cars where they are pushing the envelope to the max to achieve 2.3s to 60 mph and the very reason that Porrsche made such a play about their repeatable launch performance, something the MS and MX can't hope to achieve (in oart over heating, in part falling soc). Tesla are well known for maxing everything, the reason why they recommend 90% SoC is because they allow brimming to an unhealthy level if done on a regular basis, it will also be interestinmg to see how the 250kw charge rates play out long term.
I do query your 10% SoC performance, the cars also start going into protection mode at that point to protect the battery (thats "start" - there is a gradual increase in limitations which are more clearly visible when you have a proper dash as the power chart shows it. I'd be very surprised, even with the different cell size, if the M3 didn't have an equivalent preservation process
Heres Johnny said:
I do query your 10% SoC performance, the cars also start going into protection mode at that point to protect the battery (thats "start" - there is a gradual increase in limitations which are more clearly visible when you have a proper dash as the power chart shows it. I'd be very surprised, even with the different cell size, if the M3 didn't have an equivalent preservation process
Even driving back to the charger between 10% and 5% I had no big warning messages or massive cuts in power delivery. Naturally, I wasn't accelerating hard at that level as I didn't want to push my luck, but I don't believe the way a 3 behaves at a low SoC is the same as an S.I've got plenty more track testing to do and I'll be looking more at how acceleration is affected at different SoC, but so far I'm really impressed how linear it all is.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Even driving back to the charger between 10% and 5% I had no big warning messages or massive cuts in power delivery. Naturally, I wasn't accelerating hard at that level as I didn't want to push my luck, but I don't believe the way a 3 behaves at a low SoC is the same as an S.
I've got plenty more track testing to do and I'll be looking more at how acceleration is affected at different SoC, but so far I'm really impressed how linear it all is.
Might be worth a readI've got plenty more track testing to do and I'll be looking more at how acceleration is affected at different SoC, but so far I'm really impressed how linear it all is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/b8k2...
Thats not to say things haven't improved and this appears to be a LR not a P but I was under the impression the motor and battery were the same in both, the performance differencebeing sw throttling (the performance- version essentially being a LR without the sw limit).
Unless they've addressed this somehow its suggsting a 23% drop in power from a 100% soc to 10%, which is the type of spread thats seen on the MS and MX, the figures being taken from the car
LG9k said:
FurtiveFreddy said:
it can cope very well as long as you're not a circuit hard on brakes.
All circuits are hard on brakes (or they should be). Admittedly, some are harder than others.Heres Johnny said:
FurtiveFreddy said:
Even driving back to the charger between 10% and 5% I had no big warning messages or massive cuts in power delivery. Naturally, I wasn't accelerating hard at that level as I didn't want to push my luck, but I don't believe the way a 3 behaves at a low SoC is the same as an S.
I've got plenty more track testing to do and I'll be looking more at how acceleration is affected at different SoC, but so far I'm really impressed how linear it all is.
Might be worth a readI've got plenty more track testing to do and I'll be looking more at how acceleration is affected at different SoC, but so far I'm really impressed how linear it all is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/b8k2...
Thats not to say things haven't improved and this appears to be a LR not a P but I was under the impression the motor and battery were the same in both, the performance differencebeing sw throttling (the performance- version essentially being a LR without the sw limit).
Unless they've addressed this somehow its suggsting a 23% drop in power from a 100% soc to 10%, which is the type of spread thats seen on the MS and MX, the figures being taken from the car
Heres Johnny said:
Might be worth a read
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/b8k2...
Thats not to say things haven't improved and this appears to be a LR not a P but I was under the impression the motor and battery were the same in both, the performance differencebeing sw throttling (the performance- version essentially being a LR without the sw limit).
Unless they've addressed this somehow its suggsting a 23% drop in power from a 100% soc to 10%, which is the type of spread thats seen on the MS and MX, the figures being taken from the car
Not the P+ and putting the car in track mode may also make a difference as it maximises cooling. Same goes for the MPP dyno graphs as they werr done with an SR+ I believe. I'm not saying it's not possible, but we have quite a few variables to take account of with the Model 3.https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/b8k2...
Thats not to say things haven't improved and this appears to be a LR not a P but I was under the impression the motor and battery were the same in both, the performance differencebeing sw throttling (the performance- version essentially being a LR without the sw limit).
Unless they've addressed this somehow its suggsting a 23% drop in power from a 100% soc to 10%, which is the type of spread thats seen on the MS and MX, the figures being taken from the car
Dave Hedgehog said:
the stock brakes on the AMG or RS cars i have driven on track have not been very good for track work and would need to be upgraded
With respect, the AMG range is, on the whole more about noise and acceleration than handling and stopping. They can be a bit fragile when driven hard. A lot of cars were in the workshop being fixed when they were commissioning the driving experience at MB World...The Model 3 brakes are a bit of a dilemma. In some ways (like servicing) the non-P brakes are better. The rear pads are actually bigger on the non-P.
In standard form, the P brakes are pretty good for a road car but they are not as good as a BMW M3 or base model 911, for instance.
My current feeling is that the standard pad compound is the biggest problem. In normal use, the brakes aren't used much and when they are they will be cold. Put some decent track pads in there and I think things will be fine for most UK circuits as long as you don't want to use all your charge up in 2 or 3 long sessions.
Heres Johnny said:
I didn't start the drive train discussion - I was told to "educate myself" on the differences between the MS and M3 because there is meant to be a significant one...
And your further comments on the topic have illustrated that you did NOT know about nor understand those differences, so thank you for proving my point. Zcd1 said:
Heres Johnny said:
I didn't start the drive train discussion - I was told to "educate myself" on the differences between the MS and M3 because there is meant to be a significant one...
And your further comments on the topic have illustrated that you did NOT know about nor understand those differences, so thank you for proving my point. Half term is soon over thank goodness and you'll be back at school
I'm sure everyone would be interested if you could summerise the differences in the drive train between a MS and a M3
Edited by Heres Johnny on Friday 25th October 16:13
Heres Johnny said:
What? You are priceless
Half term is soon over thank goodness and you'll be back at school
I'm sure everyone would be interested if you could summerise the differences in the drive train between a MS and a M3
Nice edit. Pure trolling, otherwise.Half term is soon over thank goodness and you'll be back at school
I'm sure everyone would be interested if you could summerise the differences in the drive train between a MS and a M3
Edited by Heres Johnny on Friday 25th October 16:13
No need for me to explain - that's already covered in the article I linked.
Have you actually ever driven a Model 3 Performance, in anger or otherwise?
Zcd1 said:
Nice edit. Pure trolling, otherwise.
No need for me to explain - that's already covered in the article I linked.
Have you actually ever driven a Model 3 Performance, in anger or otherwise?
Yep - a few timesNo need for me to explain - that's already covered in the article I linked.
Have you actually ever driven a Model 3 Performance, in anger or otherwise?
I’ve also driven about 50k miles in an MS
Have you ever driven an MS? I’m assuming you’ve driven an M3 otherwise that would be laughable
There was no substance in that article other than a track mode software difference to enable a bit of tail happy driving. That’s not a drive train difference. I really think you are in a group of one in your assertions.
No point in responding to any other posts you make as they’re not worth giving the time of day to
feef said:
AIUI the P has heavier wiring and connections
I’ve not seen any suggestions there’s a wiring loom difference on respected sites like TMC or anywhere else for that matter. Tesla have done lots to standardise their build and only vary it through software.Edit - just been having a read and all I can find is Tesla double the burn in and lot select the motors for the P but otherwise they seem to be the same.
Edited by Heres Johnny on Friday 25th October 17:15
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