Tesla - Performance upgrade
Discussion
ZesPak said:
I've always thought that the Performance upgrade on the Model 3 was actually good value.
Just the 1.2 sec off your 0-60 alone.
On the Model S I found it too expensive for my taste, for 5K€ I wouldn't have thought twice about it.
Thought it was 4.4 to 3.9 so 0.5s off the 0-60?Just the 1.2 sec off your 0-60 alone.
On the Model S I found it too expensive for my taste, for 5K€ I wouldn't have thought twice about it.
On the MS ludicrous makes a massive difference including at high speed, whether it’s worth it is a personal question, but once you’re noticeably below 3s to 60 passengers start getting very light headed
Heres Johnny said:
Thought it was 4.4 to 3.9 so 0.5s off the 0-60?
On the MS ludicrous makes a massive difference including at high speed, whether it’s worth it is a personal question, but once you’re noticeably below 3s to 60 passengers start getting very light headed
4.4 to 3.2 now from the looks of it. On the MS ludicrous makes a massive difference including at high speed, whether it’s worth it is a personal question, but once you’re noticeably below 3s to 60 passengers start getting very light headed
The P upgrade on the MS is over twice the cost though, and for now no track mode V2.
I have a LR AWD and the 'Amped' (is what Tesla calls it) upgrade is very noticeable. Without it, my car already felt very strong, in a torque-rich kind of way - that big wave of silent power that drives you forward. With it activated, it instead gives you a real 'kick in the back'. I'm referring to real-world driving where you are already on the move and suddenly want/need to floor it, rather than stop-light racing (i.e. from standstill) which is mostly a late-night anomaly where I live.
Tests also show that once you reach a certain rolling speed (basically anything that would qualify as real-life, say 30 mph), there's nothing in it between the Amped and Performance (i.e. they are identical). The Performance is still faster of the line, and clearly so. Not sure if sensation-wise there is much in it though when you 0-100kph it, because you get used to the instantaneous power so fast and the complete lack of drama probably means 3.4s doesn't feel radically different from 3.9s. It's both stupidly fast and ridiculously undramatic.
Having said this, where I live the difference between a LR AWD on 19" and Performance is just 3.000 EUR. The Amped upgrade is 1.800 EUR. That means there is zero reason to go for LR AWD Amped over Performance. Unless... you want a tow bar (at which point your towbar 19" LR AWD Amped costs the same as a Performance). And I did want a tow bar, because I want to use this car to tow my bikes to the track.
In the UK, I see that the difference between LR AWD w/ 19" and Performance is 7.000 GBP. For that difference, I myself would go LR AWD Amped even if the Performance offered a towbar (should be 5.500 GBP or thereabouts after upgrade). But then I have no intention of tracking a heavy electric car (brakes/track mode), and while the 20s are nice they aren't such a big deal if you anyway plan to buy a set of winter wheels (which I do). A spoiler and occasional 0.5s improvement off the line isn't worth 5.500 GBP to me.
Tests also show that once you reach a certain rolling speed (basically anything that would qualify as real-life, say 30 mph), there's nothing in it between the Amped and Performance (i.e. they are identical). The Performance is still faster of the line, and clearly so. Not sure if sensation-wise there is much in it though when you 0-100kph it, because you get used to the instantaneous power so fast and the complete lack of drama probably means 3.4s doesn't feel radically different from 3.9s. It's both stupidly fast and ridiculously undramatic.
Having said this, where I live the difference between a LR AWD on 19" and Performance is just 3.000 EUR. The Amped upgrade is 1.800 EUR. That means there is zero reason to go for LR AWD Amped over Performance. Unless... you want a tow bar (at which point your towbar 19" LR AWD Amped costs the same as a Performance). And I did want a tow bar, because I want to use this car to tow my bikes to the track.
In the UK, I see that the difference between LR AWD w/ 19" and Performance is 7.000 GBP. For that difference, I myself would go LR AWD Amped even if the Performance offered a towbar (should be 5.500 GBP or thereabouts after upgrade). But then I have no intention of tracking a heavy electric car (brakes/track mode), and while the 20s are nice they aren't such a big deal if you anyway plan to buy a set of winter wheels (which I do). A spoiler and occasional 0.5s improvement off the line isn't worth 5.500 GBP to me.
Dust said:
Tests also show that once you reach a certain rolling speed (basically anything that would qualify as real-life, say 30 mph), there's nothing in it between the Amped and Performance (i.e. they are identical). The Performance is still faster of the line, and clearly so. Not sure if sensation-wise there is much in it though when you 0-100kph it, because you get used to the instantaneous power so fast and the complete lack of drama probably means 3.4s doesn't feel radically different from 3.9s. It's both stupidly fast and ridiculously undramatic.
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This was the experience with the 85D and P85D before ludicrous. The limiting factor on an EV is a combination of the wheels/tyres, motors, torque split allowed between front and rear, battery output, and software limits. On the older MS the overall limit was the battery output but the larger rear motor in the P meant more of the battery output could be sent to the rear which was useful off the line giving it at advantage but once at speed this advantage disappeared making performance on the move near identical (and why ludicrous is so good as it raised the battery output across all speeds). It’s harder to tell what’s happening on with the M3 as more things are the same unless it’s the tyres on the 20” rims, different gearing of the motor or is literally just software. .
Heres Johnny said:
Dust said:
Tests also show that once you reach a certain rolling speed (basically anything that would qualify as real-life, say 30 mph), there's nothing in it between the Amped and Performance (i.e. they are identical). The Performance is still faster of the line, and clearly so. Not sure if sensation-wise there is much in it though when you 0-100kph it, because you get used to the instantaneous power so fast and the complete lack of drama probably means 3.4s doesn't feel radically different from 3.9s. It's both stupidly fast and ridiculously undramatic.
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This was the experience with the 85D and P85D before ludicrous. The limiting factor on an EV is a combination of the wheels/tyres, motors, torque split allowed between front and rear, battery output, and software limits. On the older MS the overall limit was the battery output but the larger rear motor in the P meant more of the battery output could be sent to the rear which was useful off the line giving it at advantage but once at speed this advantage disappeared making performance on the move near identical (and why ludicrous is so good as it raised the battery output across all speeds). It’s harder to tell what’s happening on with the M3 as more things are the same unless it’s the tyres on the 20” rims, different gearing of the motor or is literally just software. .
cossey said:
RobDickinson said:
Perf is about 380-390kw
The most reliable quote number is ~490bhp which is 365kW output after the 5% boost. There are a lot of people the quote numbers from the canbus but these are likely invertor numbers not taking into account the motor efficiency.
Gandahar said:
I assume this is a software "remap" that can be downloaded and if so why is it £1500 when you can get a non EV remap for a lot less, ie £399 etc which will require rolling road testing etc?
Manufacturers remap all within warranty and guaranteed numbers.AC Schnitzer can ask £3k+ for a BMW remap as official and warrantied so seems decent value to me?
ETA
https://www.mstyle.co.uk/f30-f31-340i-ac-schnitzer...
Edited by SWoll on Sunday 22 March 16:38
Gandahar said:
I assume this is a software "remap" that can be downloaded and if so why is it £1500 when you can get a non EV remap for a lot less, ie £399 etc which will require rolling road testing etc?
They still have to warrant the drivetrain and battery for 8 years/240 000 km.As above, it's not too uncommon.
Had my M3P for a few days now. Clearly not had much chance to use but I’m
Commuting to work still as we supply product for healthcare .
No need to comment on performance re straight line, it’s actually quicker than I expected but we all have seen those YouTube drag races . What’s surprised me is the cornering and lateral forces . It’s far far better than I expected . I don’t seem to feel the roll you see with Chris Harris Top Gear review. It’s very planted inside the cabin . The issue is the seats. It’s needs sport / bucket like support . It comes out of roundabouts like a bullet train ! Hopefully get decent decent drive time in coming months , bigger issues to face ! My initial review is based in thought of my previous car , a Alfa Giulla QV which is a stunning fabulous car which I enjoyed every single of the 15000 miles driven
Commuting to work still as we supply product for healthcare .
No need to comment on performance re straight line, it’s actually quicker than I expected but we all have seen those YouTube drag races . What’s surprised me is the cornering and lateral forces . It’s far far better than I expected . I don’t seem to feel the roll you see with Chris Harris Top Gear review. It’s very planted inside the cabin . The issue is the seats. It’s needs sport / bucket like support . It comes out of roundabouts like a bullet train ! Hopefully get decent decent drive time in coming months , bigger issues to face ! My initial review is based in thought of my previous car , a Alfa Giulla QV which is a stunning fabulous car which I enjoyed every single of the 15000 miles driven
ZesPak said:
Just as someone who's looking to buy a second hand QV as a secondary car, why did you get rid of it?
Three reasons :1. I purchased my dream car which has Manual box recently .
2. The QV helped fund above !
3. Getting a contract hire on a Tesla M3 provided me a BIK company position I could make work over say a pick up .
The QV is so good but I change every 12-18 months as cars are a passion . I think I’ll go back one day . Thinking Stelvio when it works for me
SagMan said:
Had my M3P for a few days now. Clearly not had much chance to use but I’m
Commuting to work still as we supply product for healthcare .
No need to comment on performance re straight line, it’s actually quicker than I expected but we all have seen those YouTube drag races . What’s surprised me is the cornering and lateral forces . It’s far far better than I expected . I don’t seem to feel the roll you see with Chris Harris Top Gear review. It’s very planted inside the cabin . The issue is the seats. It’s needs sport / bucket like support . It comes out of roundabouts like a bullet train ! Hopefully get decent decent drive time in coming months , bigger issues to face ! My initial review is based in thought of my previous car , a Alfa Giulla QV which is a stunning fabulous car which I enjoyed every single of the 15000 miles driven
Congrats and thanks for the perspective, particularly in comparison with the Alfa.Commuting to work still as we supply product for healthcare .
No need to comment on performance re straight line, it’s actually quicker than I expected but we all have seen those YouTube drag races . What’s surprised me is the cornering and lateral forces . It’s far far better than I expected . I don’t seem to feel the roll you see with Chris Harris Top Gear review. It’s very planted inside the cabin . The issue is the seats. It’s needs sport / bucket like support . It comes out of roundabouts like a bullet train ! Hopefully get decent decent drive time in coming months , bigger issues to face ! My initial review is based in thought of my previous car , a Alfa Giulla QV which is a stunning fabulous car which I enjoyed every single of the 15000 miles driven
The maneuverability and handling are actually what surprised me most on my initial drives. At max attack, it's not as buttoned-down as the best of its competitors, but at 9 tenths or below (read: faster than most should ever try to drive on the road), it's really well sorted and fun, IMO.
Enjoy!
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