Model S 0-60 times updated?

[David87]

The Performance S is mental, especially with the new update. It’s running the 1/4 mile in under 10.5 seconds now. Would have thought 0-100mph would be closer to 6 seconds rather than 7 too.

[Dont like rolls]

AW111 said:

jjwilde said:

REALIST123 said:

Who cares?

As said earlier, absolutely meaningless.

The kind of mind that’s ‘impressed’ by this sort of thing is shallow indeed.

OK wow, you know what forum you're on right?

It's funny how before Tesla, people were knocking EVs for being too slow and boring.

Now that the top end EVs accelerate harder than 99% of ICE cars, acceleration is apparently meaningless.

You can make an Ice car go as fast, just go to SantaPod......but like a Tesla on "idiot mode" the fuel tank/battery/engine life is somewhat sorter

[Welshbeef]

David87 said:

The Performance S is mental, especially with the new update. It’s running the 1/4 mile in under 10.5 seconds now. Would have thought 0-100mph would be closer to 6 seconds rather than 7 too.

10.5 1/4 miles in a 7 seat road car is incredible.

[EddieSteadyGo]

Welshbeef said:

David87 said:

The Performance S is mental, especially with the new update. It’s running the 1/4 mile in under 10.5 seconds now. Would have thought 0-100mph would be closer to 6 seconds rather than 7 too.

10.5 1/4 miles in a 7 seat road car is incredible.

It is certainly an achievement. But we are in the end phase of performance cars imo. In less than a decade we are going to have even cars like a Kia Sorento all capable of 4 second 0-60 times. It won't be anything special.

[Heres Johnny]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Welshbeef said:

David87 said:

The Performance S is mental, especially with the new update. It’s running the 1/4 mile in under 10.5 seconds now. Would have thought 0-100mph would be closer to 6 seconds rather than 7 too.

10.5 1/4 miles in a 7 seat road car is incredible.

It is certainly an achievement. But we are in the end phase of performance cars imo. In less than a decade we are going to have even cars like a Kia Sorento all capable of 4 second 0-60 times. It won't be anything special.

If only it had 7 seats

[Heres Johnny]

Welshbeef said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

Welshbeef said:

What is the 0-100mph and 0-125mph times ?

Roughly, I think around 7 seconds and 10 seconds.

Stunning - it destroys a F40 and isn’t that much slower (to 100mph) than the McLaren F1.

How does it compare against a Porsche 917 racing car from c50years ago?

There's a top gear video with Damon Hill and Chris Harris in a 911 (stay with me) and in the commentary Damon says he'd not experienced the 0-60 you get in a Tesla, even in a F1 car. The thing that many forget (although not Damon or Chris) is that unlike a ICE, the power output is no where as sustainable and falls off as speed increases. Every drag race of a Tesla and a decent ICE shows the Tesla get an almost instant head start because of the way it works, the ICE then clawing it back in and eventually over taking it. The carwow videos are all flawed when they do the boot it at 50mph stuff because they all wait for ICE to kick down - if you were going to overtake someone, you'd have already got the right gear.

So its mind warping off the line, its mighty impressive from 30 but is becoming more so so from 70 for a 500+bhp car. For many thats still great,

[Welshbeef]

Heres Johnny said:

There's a top gear video with Damon Hill and Chris Harris in a 911 (stay with me) and in the commentary Damon says he'd not experienced the 0-60 you get in a Tesla, even in a F1 car. The thing that many forget (although not Damon or Chris) is that unlike a ICE, the power output is no where as sustainable and falls off as speed increases. Every drag race of a Tesla and a decent ICE shows the Tesla get an almost instant head start because of the way it works, the ICE then clawing it back in and eventually over taking it. The carwow videos are all flawed when they do the boot it at 50mph stuff because they all wait for ICE to kick down - if you were going to overtake someone, you'd have already got the right gear.

So its mind warping off the line, its mighty impressive from 30 but is becoming more so so from 70 for a 500+bhp car. For many thats still great,

The twin charger carwow drag race went up to 1/2 mile distance with C63 S M3 and the Alfa.

Only beyond 130mph did the C63S pass and it just made it before the 1/2mile. Alfa and then M3 a few car lengths behind.

And that’s the model 3.... the model S full nutter model whichever that is now I think even the E63 S 4matic and evening the Brabus E700 doesn’t beat it.

[dukeboy749r]

EddieSteadyGo said:

rowley birkin said:

Electronicpants said:

Another 50ish bhp added too, all as a software update!

825bhp now, mental pointless.

FTFY

Wrong I'm afraid. There is huge marketing value to Tesla from this type of update. It gets them lots of free coverage and enhances many people's perception of the brand with these "free updates".

The number of people who actually go to the bother of engaging any kind of "launch mode" is tiny - I know I haven't on cars I have owned in the past. But that really is missing the point.

I don't agree.

It's willy-waving for something you have pointed out many people won't use.

If this was of real benefit, I'd wholeheartedly agree - but the video guy himself states - for those who want to go drag racing.

[jjwilde]

Heres Johnny said:

There's a top gear video with Damon Hill and Chris Harris in a 911 (stay with me) and in the commentary Damon says he'd not experienced the 0-60 you get in a Tesla, even in a F1 car. The thing that many forget (although not Damon or Chris) is that unlike a ICE, the power output is no where as sustainable and falls off as speed increases. Every drag race of a Tesla and a decent ICE shows the Tesla get an almost instant head start because of the way it works, the ICE then clawing it back in and eventually over taking it. The carwow videos are all flawed when they do the boot it at 50mph stuff because they all wait for ICE to kick down - if you were going to overtake someone, you'd have already got the right gear.

So its mind warping off the line, its mighty impressive from 30 but is becoming more so so from 70 for a 500+bhp car. For many thats still great,

So what you're saying is in the real world, driving on normal roads, the Tesla will always win.

[ntiz]

In the real world once you get below 4 secs straight line speed becomes fairly irrelevant. Braking steering and general handling become more important. Most importantly the perception of speed.

In my opinion anyway.

[browngt3]

Welshbeef said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

Welshbeef said:

What is the 0-100mph and 0-125mph times ?

Roughly, I think around 7 seconds and 10 seconds.

Stunning - it destroys a F40 and isn’t that much slower (to 100mph) than the McLaren F1.

How does it compare against a Porsche 917 racing car from c50years ago?

I don't know about a 917 but I remember back in the 80's seeing the acceleration figures for a 935 racer that was tested by Road & Track (iirc). The figure which always sticks in my mind was 0-150mph in 11.0 seconds!

And vastly more exciting getting there...

[TCX]

Welshbeef said:

REALIST123 said:

Who cares?

As said earlier, absolutely meaningless.

The kind of mind that’s ‘impressed’ by this sort of thing is shallow indeed.

Ring times focus must be retarded then too
Fastest planes land speed records all retarded folk who like it.

What an imbecile you are - everything is interesting so is stopping distance lateral grip coefficient of drag the fact it’s quicker round a track than an M3 (as designed to be Model 3 twin charger).

What a bizarre dig first thing on a Wednesday morning .... think next time before you sling nasty insults at people.

Of course 'ring' times are pointless,even before today's current climate,you need to get with the 'now',grip coefficient blah blah blah love to see you demonstrate how this has any value to actual real world road driving?

[stabilio]

Heres Johnny said:

There's a top gear video with Damon Hill and Chris Harris in a 911 (stay with me) and in the commentary Damon says he'd not experienced the 0-60 you get in a Tesla, even in a F1 car. The thing that many forget (although not Damon or Chris) is that unlike a ICE, the power output is no where as sustainable and falls off as speed increases. Every drag race of a Tesla and a decent ICE shows the Tesla get an almost instant head start because of the way it works, the ICE then clawing it back in and eventually over taking it. The carwow videos are all flawed when they do the boot it at 50mph stuff because they all wait for ICE to kick down - if you were going to overtake someone, you'd have already got the right gear.

So its mind warping off the line, its mighty impressive from 30 but is becoming more so so from 70 for a 500+bhp car. For many thats still great,

The newer Carwow videos always do the rolling race in auto mode in ICE cars AND in manual in the proper (lower) gear so no kick down needed so it is fairer.

[Welshbeef]

stabilio said:

The newer Carwow videos always do the rolling race in auto mode in ICE cars AND in manual in the proper (lower) gear so no kick down needed so it is fairer.

Should be 2nd gear @50mph full attach mode, then again 50mph don’t think I ever drop below 4th and squeeze the loud pedal.

[Terminator X]

0-60 slower than 2.3s though when you account for 45 mins sat at the service station waiting to charge

TX.

[Terminator X]

AW111 said:

It's funny how before Tesla, people were knocking EVs for being too slow and boring.

Now that the top end EVs accelerate harder than 99% of ICE cars, acceleration is apparently meaningless.

The Model S Performance is a £100k car isn't it, you don't think there are many £100k ICE cars as fast? M5C is about £80k new allowing for discounts and gets to 100mph in 10.8s vs the MSP in allegedly 10.55s^ + you get that V8 E63S must be similar etc etc.

TX.

^don't you need to wait 45 mins for batteries to warm up as well?

[Heres Johnny]

Welshbeef said:

Heres Johnny said:

There's a top gear video with Damon Hill and Chris Harris in a 911 (stay with me) and in the commentary Damon says he'd not experienced the 0-60 you get in a Tesla, even in a F1 car. The thing that many forget (although not Damon or Chris) is that unlike a ICE, the power output is no where as sustainable and falls off as speed increases. Every drag race of a Tesla and a decent ICE shows the Tesla get an almost instant head start because of the way it works, the ICE then clawing it back in and eventually over taking it. The carwow videos are all flawed when they do the boot it at 50mph stuff because they all wait for ICE to kick down - if you were going to overtake someone, you'd have already got the right gear.

So its mind warping off the line, its mighty impressive from 30 but is becoming more so so from 70 for a 500+bhp car. For many thats still great,

The twin charger carwow drag race went up to 1/2 mile distance with C63 S M3 and the Alfa.

Only beyond 130mph did the C63S pass and it just made it before the 1/2mile. Alfa and then M3 a few car lengths behind.

And that’s the model 3.... the model S full nutter model whichever that is now I think even the E63 S 4matic and evening the Brabus E700 doesn’t beat it.

I have a MS P90DL, so I know how easy it is (or isn’t) to get the full monty output.

But you’ve missed the point, if the Tesla gets ahead, and the ICE car eventually passes, the ICE is accelerating more once on the move.

[Heres Johnny]

jjwilde said:

Heres Johnny said:

There's a top gear video with Damon Hill and Chris Harris in a 911 (stay with me) and in the commentary Damon says he'd not experienced the 0-60 you get in a Tesla, even in a F1 car. The thing that many forget (although not Damon or Chris) is that unlike a ICE, the power output is no where as sustainable and falls off as speed increases. Every drag race of a Tesla and a decent ICE shows the Tesla get an almost instant head start because of the way it works, the ICE then clawing it back in and eventually over taking it. The carwow videos are all flawed when they do the boot it at 50mph stuff because they all wait for ICE to kick down - if you were going to overtake someone, you'd have already got the right gear.

So its mind warping off the line, its mighty impressive from 30 but is becoming more so so from 70 for a 500+bhp car. For many thats still great,

So what you're saying is in the real world, driving on normal roads, the Tesla will always win.

In general you’re right, and a BMW i3 is BMWs faster accelerating car to 30mph or something like that and for most people that’s more than enough. The point was Tesla didn’t reallyneed more and when you can potentially break every speed limit in the UK in under 3s it’s got to the point of being a tad ridiculous.

[Andy M]

Terminator X said:

The Model S Performance is a £100k car isn't it, you don't think there are many £100k ICE cars as fast? M5C is about £80k new allowing for discounts and gets to 100mph in 10.8s vs the MSP in allegedly 10.55s^ + you get that V8 E63S must be similar etc etc.

TX.

^don't you need to wait 45 mins for batteries to warm up as well?

I owned a 19 plate M5 Competition and now own a 69 plate Model S Performance, so I’m well placed to answer this: the M5 wouldn’t get close to the Tesla 0-100. This is with the Tesla in the lower power Ludicrous mode, not the Ludicrous+ which requires for the battery to be at a certain temperature.

Additionally, if you have a home charger, there is almost no regular scenario whereby you would need to visit a Supercharger etc.

[SWoll]

Andy M said:

Terminator X said:

The Model S Performance is a £100k car isn't it, you don't think there are many £100k ICE cars as fast? M5C is about £80k new allowing for discounts and gets to 100mph in 10.8s vs the MSP in allegedly 10.55s^ + you get that V8 E63S must be similar etc etc.

TX.

^don't you need to wait 45 mins for batteries to warm up as well?

I owned a 19 plate M5 Competition and now own a 69 plate Model S Performance, so I’m well placed to answer this: the M5 wouldn’t get close to the Tesla 0-100. This is with the Tesla in the lower power Ludicrous mode, not the Ludicrous+ which requires for the battery to be at a certain temperature.

Additionally, if you have a home charger, there is almost no regular scenario whereby you would need to visit a Supercharger etc.

He's not interested in real world experiences. He also doesn't understand the difference between 1/4 mile times and 0-100mph apparently..

ETA, very inconsistent launch control as with most ICE cars. That's almost a second slower than my £55k Tesla Model 3 which requires no warm up.

Edited by SWoll on Thursday 23 April 18:11