Model 3 UK orders.
Discussion
ZesPak said:
Whatever you decide, don't forget to order through a referral link for those free miles!
Personally, I justified the S for myself. But mainly for practicality. If the 3 was big enough for me, I would have bought it. It's 90% of the car for 60% of the money.
the 3s cabin is bigger than the S, i am cramped in the S, fine in the 3Personally, I justified the S for myself. But mainly for practicality. If the 3 was big enough for me, I would have bought it. It's 90% of the car for 60% of the money.
Andy M said:
Sorry, typed my response while listening to muzak on hold on the phone. What I meant to type was: if I'd have driven an older Model S I probably wouldn't have placed an order for a new MS such was the unimpressive build quality (of the older cars).
The Model 3 is a great little car, but for me it's no comparison to the Raven MS and X and the Performance version of the Model 3 compared to the Model S is quite stark: the S is a much faster car (though, this may change if the Model 3 gets the 100KW battery and Ludicrous+ option).
I think this is the older S P100D vs the Model 3 Performance: https://youtu.be/PyjygzQs4p8?t=140
not bothered by the additional performance, mine is too fast for a road car if I'm honest, not driven the latest S but from all reviews i have seen its still a barge and not as focused to drive as the 3The Model 3 is a great little car, but for me it's no comparison to the Raven MS and X and the Performance version of the Model 3 compared to the Model S is quite stark: the S is a much faster car (though, this may change if the Model 3 gets the 100KW battery and Ludicrous+ option).
I think this is the older S P100D vs the Model 3 Performance: https://youtu.be/PyjygzQs4p8?t=140
Its funny how performance matters to people when they're comparing it to slower cars, but not important when comparing to faster cars.
But aside from that, the performance gain is more useful when talking about acceleration at speed, the pick up from 50 when you want to do an overtake etc.
But aside from that, the performance gain is more useful when talking about acceleration at speed, the pick up from 50 when you want to do an overtake etc.
Dave Hedgehog said:
the 3s cabin is bigger than the S, i am cramped in the S, fine in the 3
Bah, I'm barely 1m80. I was talking size about the boot with a couple of young kids. The Model 3 is big enough honestly, the model S is cavernous.Dave Hedgehog said:
not bothered by the additional performance, mine is too fast for a road car if I'm honest, not driven the latest S but from all reviews i have seen its still a barge and not as focused to drive as the 3
This is true.Since I do a lot of miles, I like a good barge
.My last car was a big Jag so the Model S might as well be a Lotus Elise.
Tiggsy said:
OK - need to place an order. Drove the M3P yesterday and it's 90% as quick as the S which I had my heart set on. I just can't justify the extra cost for that 10%!
So....I assume (if I want solid black with white leather) the white interior is the only option I need?
And just a case of picking the best deal on leasing.com? Not much more to it?
Need to get an order in before the BIK market kicks off.
I'm sure it's fine, but worth a double check - on the Tesla motors club forum there is quite a lot of discussion about the white interior being dropped on the SR+ model and nobody getting informed. I'm sure it's OK for the M3P but you just may find yourself at the back of a very long queue?So....I assume (if I want solid black with white leather) the white interior is the only option I need?
And just a case of picking the best deal on leasing.com? Not much more to it?
Need to get an order in before the BIK market kicks off.
London1986 said:
Fastlane said:
I leased my M3P via my (VAT exempt) Ltd company back in December. You can charge the whole lease cost to the company (as you can with any car) as an operating lease payment, as well as the cost of installing the charger at home and work (you can get an OLEV grant to help with these costs), plus any other car-related expenses (car insurance, maintenance, tyres etc). The downside is that you can only claim back 4p/mile for any business miles.
In terms of the best lease deals, these change regularly - try leasing.com to compare deals - and remember to factor in any upfront cost when comparing across deals (leasing.com provide the total cost too, which is a far better measure than the advertised monthly cost). My all in monthly cost for a no-option (there are no must have options really) M3P with 12k miles/annum over 36 months is £634/month, or £22,824 in total. The referral code is worth about £60, so is really not that important and my lease company wouldn't let me apply one (Octopus/Tusker)!
I'd say any petrol head should/will opt for the Performance version, as I did. I think it is an excellent daily driver - I have a supercharged Ariel Atom for (warmer weather) fun though...
The best way of financing it etc. will depend on your circumstances, so do talk to your accountant to work out the true cost to you personally and the business.
Thanks for sharing. I'm also in the same boat. In terms of the best lease deals, these change regularly - try leasing.com to compare deals - and remember to factor in any upfront cost when comparing across deals (leasing.com provide the total cost too, which is a far better measure than the advertised monthly cost). My all in monthly cost for a no-option (there are no must have options really) M3P with 12k miles/annum over 36 months is £634/month, or £22,824 in total. The referral code is worth about £60, so is really not that important and my lease company wouldn't let me apply one (Octopus/Tusker)!
I'd say any petrol head should/will opt for the Performance version, as I did. I think it is an excellent daily driver - I have a supercharged Ariel Atom for (warmer weather) fun though...
The best way of financing it etc. will depend on your circumstances, so do talk to your accountant to work out the true cost to you personally and the business.
£634/month is not bad for a 36 month contract. What was the deposit?
For me the car will be 100% personal use. I'm an IT contractor so have no need to use the car for business.
Agree with some other posters on here, due to the 0% BIK rates this is going to be a very popular option. Imagine the M3's will almost be as common on the roads as a Prius! I recently went to San Francisco as M3's were literally everywhere.
TX.
Terminator X said:
This is a bit like in 10 years time the Ice Caps will have melted / we will have reached Peak OIl / fusion power will save us, always just about to "break through" yet never happens. BIK will only tempt business users of course.
TX.
Tempt anyone thats offered salary sacrifice whether they use the car for business or not.TX.
Heres Johnny said:
Its funny how performance matters to people when they're comparing it to slower cars, but not important when comparing to faster cars.
But aside from that, the performance gain is more useful when talking about acceleration at speed, the pick up from 50 when you want to do an overtake etc.
For me there is a level of performance I like, this thing is over that. I passed a newly qualified driver doing 30 in a NSL last week. First car I have driven I had to lift off before pulling over with a "ooh fBut aside from that, the performance gain is more useful when talking about acceleration at speed, the pick up from 50 when you want to do an overtake etc.
k" lolTiggsy said:
Regarding performance-it will be interesting why people buy fast ICE cars going forward.
My "fun" car is an SLK 5.5 V8......the Tesla would destroy it. Ignoring the cool convertible aspect, all it has going for it is noise!
I've thought about it recently, and for me there's two sides to that coin:My "fun" car is an SLK 5.5 V8......the Tesla would destroy it. Ignoring the cool convertible aspect, all it has going for it is noise!
On the one hand, outright performance will be less important compared to driver fun. For example excessive TC, launch control, auto gearboxes, wide tyres. In many ways an MX5 (fun, convertible) becomes more relevant than for example a Z4 or SLK (slightly less fun but faster and more comfortable convertible), because the MX5 has the fun aspect the EV might be missing. The other one (like your SLK) isn't nearly as fast or comfortable as an EV yet not as fun as a car designed to be fun, and probably more expensive to run than the other two combined, so a huge compromise.
The flip side of that coin is a big one though....
Is there a market for fun cars? Time and time manufacturers struggle to make fun and interesting cars profitable as the market is just too small. Porsche started making money with the Cayenne, TVR and Lotus are also good examples of companies that made fun cars. Look at Alfa and Saab for examples of perfectly usable but a bit more interesting.
Now if the new EV from Porsche is the fastest and most comfortable one, and is actually reasonable in running costs, will there be enough dentists buying 911s? And without these buying 911s, will there be a GT2 or GT3?
I think I'm out buying a manual MX5, brb.
Tiggsy said:
Regarding performance-it will be interesting why people buy fast ICE cars going forward.
My "fun" car is an SLK 5.5 V8......the Tesla would destroy it. Ignoring the cool convertible aspect, all it has going for it is noise!
I'm driving my old E39 M5 whilst the M3 arrives. In an instance what was once a venerable beast of a car is rendered obsolete other than for the noise (and cool factor). Still the old girl isnt slow by any ICE standard just the milkfloats are faster!My "fun" car is an SLK 5.5 V8......the Tesla would destroy it. Ignoring the cool convertible aspect, all it has going for it is noise!
Tiggsy said:
Regarding performance-it will be interesting why people buy fast ICE cars going forward.
My "fun" car is an SLK 5.5 V8......the Tesla would destroy it. Ignoring the cool convertible aspect, all it has going for it is noise!
Similar thoughts here.My "fun" car is an SLK 5.5 V8......the Tesla would destroy it. Ignoring the cool convertible aspect, all it has going for it is noise!
Last summer I bought a CLS63 AMG as I had always wanted a V8 AMG. Loved the car, the noise, the performance.
In September my wife replaced her god damn awful Porsche Macan Diesel with a Model 3 performance. Before we got it, I wasn't really fussed about EV's, I knew they were quick but I was a petrolhead.
I took the Tesla for a few commutes and very quickly begain to think, mmmmm I like this................
Couple of weeks later, wife and I had a chat and rather than add another Tesla, she decided to get a BMW i3s as she liked them, and admitted the Tesla was a bit "mental".
4 months later I am converted and I dont miss anything about the AMG, even the noise.
Agree - the SLK will go. It's slower than the M3P and can't take the dogs like the wagon I'll get for lugging duties. It's a £20k noise machine.....I can't have a £20k noise machine on the dirve. I don't have space if nothing else!
What we will miss is the fun/cool factor....The MP3 looks nothing special. If it didnt do 0-60 in 3sec I'd not give it another thought. The SLK is an event.....from dropping the roof to roaring away. Not sure how to replace that while also covering load lugging! Other half wants a 4x4 ?????
The "drivers" car bit I understand....but had enough of those over the years. Can do without perfect balance mid apex, etc, etc
What we will miss is the fun/cool factor....The MP3 looks nothing special. If it didnt do 0-60 in 3sec I'd not give it another thought. The SLK is an event.....from dropping the roof to roaring away. Not sure how to replace that while also covering load lugging! Other half wants a 4x4 ?????
The "drivers" car bit I understand....but had enough of those over the years. Can do without perfect balance mid apex, etc, etc
Durzel said:
As great as the performance is, isn’t there a fairly narrow envelope in which you get that full speed? Battery preconditioned and above a certain SoC?
One thing in favour of high performance ICE cars is that at least you get their rated acceleration figures without caveats.
You didn't need to let any of your ICE cars warm up before thrashing them? One thing in favour of high performance ICE cars is that at least you get their rated acceleration figures without caveats.
The Model 3's performance isn't in a narrow band at all. I doubt a lot of drivers new to a Model 3 will notice the difference in acceleration between 100% and 20% SoC driving around on the road. You feel it more at higher speeds, but it's still a quick car.
At 20% a Model 3 Performance will still do 0-60 in under 5 seconds. Even at 10%, it'll be well under 6 seconds.
Battery heating now happens whenever the climate is turned on (which I usually do 30 minutes or so before I want to leave on a cold day) so although it takes a while to get the battery to optimum temperature, it means you have pretty much all the performance available to you the moment you drive away.
It's another reason I now hate driving my BMW 335i. On short trips the engins is never at working temperature so I can't use the full performance even if I want to.
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