Model 3 UK orders.
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kuro68k said:
Heres Johnny said:
I thought it was quite the opposite - they had to do a compliance car in Canada they didn't want to sell so they nobbled the spec so nobody would want to buy it and made sure nobody could upgrade
https://electrek.co/2019/05/02/tesla-model-3-range...
I bet you can upgrade, if you know how. People have already found that they can do a lot with cars that Tesla refuses to support.https://electrek.co/2019/05/02/tesla-model-3-range...
It's only there as a $45k model that no-one buys so they can get the support on the $55k model they want to sell and people want to buy
Smiljan said:
Still off his trolley 
Is it $100k or $200k - in my book that's quite a wide range. The medication has clearly worn off again.
Very surprised it's such a tight range myself. Predicting the future is very difficult. And this would be a massive step for transportation that has not been seen in hundreds of years. Also EV car prices will fall over time. Then there is retrofit option for any car. Just a roof box with the self driving gear in. So most EV's being sold today with a strap-a-boxon would provide the same. Then the competition are going to provide FSD on their future cars for a lot less than that $100,000 per car. So I think it will be initial scarcity value followed by a small premium for very cheap FSD. Is it $100k or $200k - in my book that's quite a wide range. The medication has clearly worn off again.Tight range? Ok.
He’s just making it up now. Is there any business sense in selling a car for $40k If you believe it’ll be worth $200k and be out earning by itself 60 hours a week?
No, there isn’t. He’s selling an empty promise to his fanatical followers and they’re lapping it up without considering the realities. Bonkers.
He’s just making it up now. Is there any business sense in selling a car for $40k If you believe it’ll be worth $200k and be out earning by itself 60 hours a week?
No, there isn’t. He’s selling an empty promise to his fanatical followers and they’re lapping it up without considering the realities. Bonkers.
You can probably buy a London taxi and a taxi driver for 4 years for 200k as a guess, why would a car be worth that much even if it can drive itself?
All that would happen if we had driverless taxis and marginal pricing on the infrastructure as a result of people putting their cars out to work is the price of this type of transportation would tumble.
All that would happen if we had driverless taxis and marginal pricing on the infrastructure as a result of people putting their cars out to work is the price of this type of transportation would tumble.
RobDickinson said:
Oh Fsd is plenty bs for now but the added value is a fair estimation.
Id be surprised if we see it in action before end of next year
FSD doesn't add any residual value to Tesla's own calculators, and leasing companies I've spoken to (admittedly, two) don't factor it in either - it's a straight cost spread over the monthlies. That is telling imo.Id be surprised if we see it in action before end of next year
That being said, Musk has said that FSD is going up in price by $1000 on August 16. I wonder if that will be mirrored in the UK. £5800 (and even £4900 pre first price rise) feels like a lot of money for what appears to essentially be "indicate and the car changes lanes for you" over here. Summon is neutered (12ft max). Autopark sounds like it would be alright, but I don't often parallel park and I would be far less inclined to trust the car to do it when the wheels are as big as they are with low profile tyres. What is left?
Deep down I think that FSD being of serious use is probably at least 2 if not 3 years off, at which point most would be looking at getting a newer car anyway.
But... there is FOMO, and Musk's threat of hiking the price again is giving me pause for thought.
Edited by Durzel on Wednesday 17th July 10:26
RobDickinson said:
And you’re going to put your car out to work 24/7?And when it turns up back at your house full of vomit after carrying a few drunks back from the pub you’re too late to fine them
You’re in cloud cuckoo land again thinking your car is magically going to become worth 200k. Hold on, you don’t actually have a Tesla do you.
Heres Johnny said:
RobDickinson said:
And you’re going to put your car out to work 24/7?And when it turns up back at your house full of vomit after carrying a few drunks back from the pub you’re too late to fine them
You’re in cloud cuckoo land again thinking your car is magically going to become worth 200k. Hold on, you don’t actually have a Tesla do you.
Actual fully autonomous cars that are safe enough to be trusted to deal with every eventuality on the road has to be at least 5 years off, if not more. And that's before legislation which would probably take a similar period of time.
Anyone who has been in a taxi at the end of the night knows what sort of city centre craziness they have to deal with. Drunk people walking in front of their cars, drunk people looking like they could fall in front or on their cars. Guaranteed the novelty of a driverless car would see drunk people getting into cars that are meant for someone else, just for the lols, etc.
So yeah, this twee fantasy of robotaxis making a living for their owners while they sleep is pure scifi fantasy at the moment, regardless of anything Musk says. Anyone buying into it has fully immersed themselves in the Tesla Kool-Aid, as they say.
Anyone who has been in a taxi at the end of the night knows what sort of city centre craziness they have to deal with. Drunk people walking in front of their cars, drunk people looking like they could fall in front or on their cars. Guaranteed the novelty of a driverless car would see drunk people getting into cars that are meant for someone else, just for the lols, etc.
So yeah, this twee fantasy of robotaxis making a living for their owners while they sleep is pure scifi fantasy at the moment, regardless of anything Musk says. Anyone buying into it has fully immersed themselves in the Tesla Kool-Aid, as they say.
I've always highly suspected any of this auto taxi stuff will be linked to a giant call centre to which the taxi phones home if it has an issue and the people in the call centre see all its cameras and decide what to do, they effectively take over as driver for a bit remotely.
I just feel that solves so many possible issues.
1 person per 20 robotaxis is still very very cheap.
I just feel that solves so many possible issues.
1 person per 20 robotaxis is still very very cheap.
jjwilde said:
I've always highly suspected any of this auto taxi stuff will be linked to a giant call centre to which the taxi phones home if it has an issue and the people in the call centre see all its cameras and decide what to do, they effectively take over as driver for a bit remotely.
I just feel that solves so many possible issues.
1 person per 20 robotaxis is still very very cheap.
And if that were the case would you want your own vehicle involved? I think not. I just feel that solves so many possible issues.
1 person per 20 robotaxis is still very very cheap.
I’m quite happy to wait and see what actually happens but given that all this stuff has been ‘a couple of years away’ for the last decade and looks little closer to happening than it ever was, I very much doubt I’ll ever see it.
jjwilde said:
I've always highly suspected any of this auto taxi stuff will be linked to a giant call centre to which the taxi phones home if it has an issue and the people in the call centre see all its cameras and decide what to do, they effectively take over as driver for a bit remotely.
I just feel that solves so many possible issues.
1 person per 20 robotaxis is still very very cheap.
How would the car know? There’s no camera inside a MS or MX. There’s no vomit detector. There’s no piss yourself all over the seats detector. I just feel that solves so many possible issues.
1 person per 20 robotaxis is still very very cheap.
Besides - Tesla’s own website talks about FSD as driving in nearly all situations and the driver just has to do a few things. If FSD ever becomes a thing where no driver is needed, there’s a load of extra things it will need in terms of capability if it was to be a taxi. Let’s start with ensuring there aren’t more people in it than it’s meant to carry, preventing a passenger grabbing hold of the steering wheel, there’s two within a few seconds of thinking about it
Heres Johnny said:
That’s a naive comment - if you’re production constrained and can sell everything you make then discounting is just giving money away you could be using to expand the business and increase production which would allow you to sell more. Then you decrease prices if you want to boost demand to match your higher production rate.
The amount of business acumen and understanding of the fundamentals of supply and demand is sadly lacking
It was as deliberately naive and lacking of understanding of supply and demand as the comment it was replying to. The amount of business acumen and understanding of the fundamentals of supply and demand is sadly lacking
Unless you in fact believe the company is discounting in order to go bankrupt?
Heres Johnny said:
How would the car know? There’s no camera inside a MS or MX. There’s no vomit detector. There’s no piss yourself all over the seats detector.
Besides - Tesla’s own website talks about FSD as driving in nearly all situations and the driver just has to do a few things. If FSD ever becomes a thing where no driver is needed, there’s a load of extra things it will need in terms of capability if it was to be a taxi. Let’s start with ensuring there aren’t more people in it than it’s meant to carry, preventing a passenger grabbing hold of the steering wheel, there’s two within a few seconds of thinking about it
Well I'd assume one of the requirements would be internal cameras (just like most ubers use) and it isn't just going to let anyone in to the car, it's going to probably be on Uber so they have all your details and your bank account. These are not major issues in comparison to the car getting stuck at roadworks or something where I think the only solution at the moment is a person monitoring the cars.Besides - Tesla’s own website talks about FSD as driving in nearly all situations and the driver just has to do a few things. If FSD ever becomes a thing where no driver is needed, there’s a load of extra things it will need in terms of capability if it was to be a taxi. Let’s start with ensuring there aren’t more people in it than it’s meant to carry, preventing a passenger grabbing hold of the steering wheel, there’s two within a few seconds of thinking about it
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