Model 3 UK orders.

[anonymous-user]

I assume this has likely appeared on other threads on autonomous driving but it's still brilliant and the learnings are interesting too

http://moralmachine.mit.edu/

[feef]

euphoricmess said:

I assume this has likely appeared on other threads on autonomous driving but it's still brilliant and the learnings are interesting too

http://moralmachine.mit.edu/

The problem I have with these 'moral decision' issues, is that in many cases an autonomous vehicle wouldn't get into the position that it needs to make such a judgment call in the first place. It can see, monitor and react to far more stimuli than we can.

The crash in the Netherlands is a good example. The vehicle took avoiding action before the incident had occurred and likely before the driver would have realised it was happening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FadR7ETT_1k

[anonymous-user]

feef said:

The problem I have with these 'moral decision' issues, is that in many cases an autonomous vehicle wouldn't get into the position that it needs to make such a judgment call in the first place. It can see, monitor and react to far more stimuli than we can.

The crash in the Netherlands is a good example. The vehicle took avoiding action before the incident had occurred and likely before the driver would have realised it was happening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FadR7ETT_1k

I agree but in the cases when it is unavoidable a decision needs to be made. There is actually a bigger machine learning dilemma which is still being discussed. A lot to do with data that had been collected over the years which his bias in, so any learning algorithm will have a bias.

[Richard-D]

euphoricmess said:

I assume this has likely appeared on other threads on autonomous driving but it's still brilliant and the learnings are interesting too

http://moralmachine.mit.edu/

I like this comment on that site:-

"...where a driverless car must choose the lesser of two evils, such as killing two passengers or five pedestrians..."

Sod that, I've bought the car, mow the ped's down. Will there be a button for that?

[AbbasSTI]

I was told to expect the car around end of August. Just skimmed the last few pages and feel a bit not so good now
I only chose black as it was the cheapest option, now I'm having to pay for it.
FSD sounds a bit poo compared to what I was expecting.

Seriously considering cancelling my order.

[FurtiveFreddy]

If you only chose black because it was the cheapest, just change your order to white.
If FSD isn't for you, take it off and you've saved another chunk.

[BenjiS]

AbbasSTI said:

I was told to expect the car around end of August. Just skimmed the last few pages and feel a bit not so good now
I only chose black as it was the cheapest option, now I'm having to pay for it.
FSD sounds a bit poo compared to what I was expecting.

Seriously considering cancelling my order.

If I’m reading those quotes correctly the newer one doesn’t include the government grant of £3500, the earlier one doesn’t explicitly mention excluding it, so I’d assume in normal Tesla fashion it’s included. That accounts for the difference in price barring £90.

[Durzel]

AbbasSTI said:

I was told to expect the car around end of August. Just skimmed the last few pages and feel a bit not so good now
I only chose black as it was the cheapest option, now I'm having to pay for it.
FSD sounds a bit poo compared to what I was expecting.

Seriously considering cancelling my order.

Do you typically sign on the dotted line for ~£5k options that you don't fully understand the capabilities (and limitations) of?

Also, you're only technically £90 worse off. Your latest invoice doesn't include the £3500 grant. After that the invoice amount is £52,890.

Edited by Durzel on Thursday 18th July 13:33

[Heres Johnny]

If you ordered at the lower price, it should be the price you pay.

If you order at the higher price and have not taken delivery, they seem to be changing your order to the lower price. As others have mentioned it may be confusing because of the way they include or not the grant

If you're now thinking you'd order a different config because of the price changes ie a different colour, then tough really unless you're prepared to chance you arm with Tesla and cancel.

[Durzel]

Agreed, it's a confusing invoice. Price of the car has gone up, FSD too and there a new £750 line item, but when you add it up and deduct the grant it's only £90 difference.

[AbbasSTI]

That's reasurring to know the majority of the price difference is the grant

[jjwilde]

AbbasSTI said:

I was told to expect the car around end of August. Just skimmed the last few pages and feel a bit not so good now
I only chose black as it was the cheapest option, now I'm having to pay for it.
FSD sounds a bit poo compared to what I was expecting.

Seriously considering cancelling my order.

The price you will pay will be adjusted to the correct (lower I'm assuming) price before you get the car, phone them and they will be cool.

Someone over on SpeakEV confirmed it.

[anonymous-user]

i was told by Tesla staff that its okay to switch to white with no turbelance, but i suspect they get their info from speak ev too

[RobMGti]

Has anyone had real world experience of the differences between the premium interior and the none premium?

The SR model is looking very good value in my opinion, but i don't know how much i would miss the premium features.

[Durzel]

I think you'll struggle to find people with real world experience of both interiors, it's not as if there are loads of the cars around.

This might help though: https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-partial-pr...

[SWoll]

And lets be honest, if you're happy with the range and performance of the SR+ I doubt you'd consider paying £9k more for heated (rear?) seats, an upgraded stereo and internet streaming (which appear to be the only differences)?

[manracer]

SWoll said:

And lets be honest, if you're happy with the range and performance of the SR+ I doubt you'd consider paying £9k more for heated (rear?) seats, an upgraded stereo and internet streaming (which appear to be the only differences)?

I tend to agree, hence why I've got a SR+ coming in 3-4 weeks.

Though let's not forget you'd also get:
4wd
Quicker 0-60
Quicker top speed
Traffic overlay sat nav
Satellite view sat nav

[SWoll]

manracer said:

SWoll said:

And lets be honest, if you're happy with the range and performance of the SR+ I doubt you'd consider paying £9k more for heated (rear?) seats, an upgraded stereo and internet streaming (which appear to be the only differences)?

I tend to agree, hence why I've got a SR+ coming in 3-4 weeks.

Though let's not forget you'd also get:
4wd
Quicker 0-60
Quicker top speed
Traffic overlay sat nav
Satellite view sat nav

Indeed, but as I say if you're happy with the performance and range the differences are fairly minor for the £9k difference.

I've got a P model coming in a similar timescale hopefully so decided all of the extras were worth it for me. The model I now don't really understand is the LR. Slightly improved range over the P but for the £3.5k saving you lose a lot of performance and kit.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Just back from driving the base model 3

Loved it, felt way quicker than my A45, way quicker. Gawd knows what the performance will be like, it drove really well

Build quality was no worse than my merc

Bargain of the century IMO

the constant scaling of google maps would drive me insane but I would use waze on my phone anyway

it really needs CarPlay android Auto IMO

[SWoll]

Dave Hedgehog said:

Just back from driving the base model 3

Loved it, felt way quicker than my A45, way quicker. Gawd knows what the performance will be like, it drove really well

Build quality was no worse than my merc

Bargain of the century IMO

the constant scaling of google maps would drive me insane but I would use waze on my phone anyway

it really needs CarPlay android Auto IMO

The EV instant go thing is addictive isn't it?

The base model should be considerably slower than your A45 according to the numbers but the sensation of speed in an EV is a different thing entirely.

I think the mapping and audio connectivity is improved on the LR/P models with the premium interior but not sure by how much, the lack of CarPlay/Android Auto is a shame though I agree.