New Tesla Pickup Truck
Discussion
EddieSteadyGo said:
It won't be a cash cow. It won't be simple to manufacture. It won't be $40k. And it won't ever exist (at least in a form which looks anything like this).
That's disappointing. Looks like it would have been quite efficient, if made:https://interestingengineering.com/teslas-cybertru...
Toaster said:
Gojira said:
Careful Tesla will have you for infringing design copyrights 
Plenty of people who have ordered apparently have done so with the support/pestering of their children...
Major T said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
It won't be a cash cow. It won't be simple to manufacture. It won't be $40k. And it won't ever exist (at least in a form which looks anything like this).
That's disappointing. Looks like it would have been quite efficient, if made:https://interestingengineering.com/teslas-cybertru...
I have to say, I was pleasantly surprised on the roof section because I wasn't sure if the angle was shallow enough to stop the flow separating once over the bed. But looks like it probably will be fine.
There is also this one on Reddit, which I can't really tell if its the same... I don't think it is because they've gone all out and posted estimated Cd numbers.
heres the thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Infographics/comments/e20...
and the graphic:
https://external-preview.redd.it/VG5OBiuv8Jh7JFYBw...
He has put the Cd as 0.47, which is higher than some other trucks, but I suspect the CdA might be better because the front profile isn't so bluff??
The trouble spots are the wheels/wheel wells and the sharp transition over the "bonnet", also in the other guys CFD he shows what might be vortex flows from the front A pillars that look to wash over the bed cover. This might actually be a positive though.
But, likely the model isn't quite right, certainly no one knows the real details on the under-side. I noticed as well, when I was trying to sketch design changes over the photo of it on stage, that a lot of the lines are actually not straight, but ever so slightly curved.But it may well have been distortion induced by the camera.
So pinch of salt needed, but I can't think these are a million miles away.... its more aerodynamic than layman's intuition would suggest!
Major T said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
It won't be a cash cow. It won't be simple to manufacture. It won't be $40k. And it won't ever exist (at least in a form which looks anything like this).
That's disappointing. Looks like it would have been quite efficient, if made:https://interestingengineering.com/teslas-cybertru...
Tesla don't do concept cars and all of their previous cars looked pretty much the same when they were announced compared to when they were delivered. They have built a running prototype so they will have some idea of how difficult the vehicle is to manufacture.
It says a lot about Tesla's process that even if such a design concept was developed at another company they would be unlikely to get the money to actually go ahead and build a prototype to actually prove out a completely new manufacturing process to support a completely new radical styling led design.
At an automaker of comparable size long term planning of BIW would be part of a completely separate department who would have to get the technology up to a certain Technology Readiness Level/Manufacturing Capability Readiness Level before a car project would be allowed to use it.
As regards the cost of manufacture we really can't make any strong judgements other than to estimate that there is a around about $2000 dollars of stainless steel in the body. Laser cutting, scoring and bending the sheets is a pretty simple process and easy to automate. Adding stiffness ribs is pretty simple and you could easily design the process to use relatively few different gauges of steel.
One key advantage is that there is no paint line at all, they were talking about adding colour options but given that one was matt black I suspect that they will be achieved by anodising rather than painting.
As for the price I'd expect that it will be broadly in line (e.g. within 10%) of the prices quoted.
Talksteer said:
Major T said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
It won't be a cash cow. It won't be simple to manufacture. It won't be $40k. And it won't ever exist (at least in a form which looks anything like this).
That's disappointing. Looks like it would have been quite efficient, if made:https://interestingengineering.com/teslas-cybertru...
Tesla don't do concept cars and all of their previous cars looked pretty much the same when they were announced compared to when they were delivered. They have built a running prototype so they will have some idea of how difficult the vehicle is to manufacture.
It says a lot about Tesla's process that even if such a design concept was developed at another company they would be unlikely to get the money to actually go ahead and build a prototype to actually prove out a completely new manufacturing process to support a completely new radical styling led design.
At an automaker of comparable size long term planning of BIW would be part of a completely separate department who would have to get the technology up to a certain Technology Readiness Level/Manufacturing Capability Readiness Level before a car project would be allowed to use it.
As regards the cost of manufacture we really can't make any strong judgements other than to estimate that there is a around about $2000 dollars of stainless steel in the body. Laser cutting, scoring and bending the sheets is a pretty simple process and easy to automate. Adding stiffness ribs is pretty simple and you could easily design the process to use relatively few different gauges of steel.
One key advantage is that there is no paint line at all, they were talking about adding colour options but given that one was matt black I suspect that they will be achieved by anodising rather than painting.
As for the price I'd expect that it will be broadly in line (e.g. within 10%) of the prices quoted.
It is pratical though? the pickup should have sides so you can pick up stuff from it. No side mirrors, it will need proper lights back and forth as well along with other stuff.
It seems designed for people who don't buy pickup already which is pretty dangerous. as would alienate the core pickup buyers.
It is interesting to push the envelope, but with advanced composite materals, using something that isn't really advanced seems a cop out.
It seems designed for people who don't buy pickup already which is pretty dangerous. as would alienate the core pickup buyers.
It is interesting to push the envelope, but with advanced composite materals, using something that isn't really advanced seems a cop out.
Thesprucegoose said:
It is pratical though? the pickup should have sides so you can pick up stuff from it. No side mirrors, it will need proper lights back and forth as well along with other stuff.
It seems designed for people who don't buy pickup already which is pretty dangerous. as would alienate the core pickup buyers.
It is interesting to push the envelope, but with advanced composite materals, using something that isn't really advanced seems a cop out.
Maybe core pickup buyers wouldn't buy it anyway so they sell it to people who would buy them.It seems designed for people who don't buy pickup already which is pretty dangerous. as would alienate the core pickup buyers.
It is interesting to push the envelope, but with advanced composite materals, using something that isn't really advanced seems a cop out.
Thesprucegoose said:
It is pratical though? the pickup should have sides so you can pick up stuff from it. No side mirrors, it will need proper lights back and forth as well along with other stuff.
the bed sides are that high on full size pickups that you're not removing anything from the bed over the sides...Lt. Coulomb said:
Greg_D said:
the bed sides are that high on full size pickups that you're not removing anything from the bed over the sides...
Unless you have a bloody side step!
i can't say that i've ever seen a little optional side step like that before.
point being that they are blooming massive and generally you can only access stuff from the back
Talksteer said:
Major T said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
It won't be a cash cow. It won't be simple to manufacture. It won't be $40k. And it won't ever exist (at least in a form which looks anything like this).
That's disappointing. Looks like it would have been quite efficient, if made:https://interestingengineering.com/teslas-cybertru...
Tesla don't do concept cars and all of their previous cars looked pretty much the same when they were announced compared to when they were delivered. They have built a running prototype so they will have some idea of how difficult the vehicle is to manufacture.
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Y is based on 3 and that has taken them a couple of years, so do you think they are doing to be able to launch thsi version of the Cybertruck?
hyphen said:
Roadster and the Lorry are yet to arrive at production maturity and they accepted deposits for them too didn't they?
Y is based on 3 and that has taken them a couple of years, so do you think they are doing to be able to launch thsi version of the Cybertruck?
What product have Tesla ever abandoned never to launch? Why on earth would they abandon this after the crazy love for it AND it being so cheap to manufacture?Y is based on 3 and that has taken them a couple of years, so do you think they are doing to be able to launch thsi version of the Cybertruck?
jjwilde said:
What product have Tesla ever abandoned never to launch? Why on earth would they abandon this after the crazy love for it AND it being so cheap to manufacture?
Crazy love?200k pre-orders isn't it? You know they sell 20 million vehicles each year in the US alone, and only 200k people worldwide have put a impulsive tiny $100 refundable deposit down??
jjwilde said:
hyphen said:
Roadster and the Lorry are yet to arrive at production maturity and they accepted deposits for them too didn't they?
Y is based on 3 and that has taken them a couple of years, so do you think they are doing to be able to launch thsi version of the Cybertruck?
What product have Tesla ever abandoned never to launch? Why on earth would they abandon this after the crazy love for it AND it being so cheap to manufacture?Y is based on 3 and that has taken them a couple of years, so do you think they are doing to be able to launch thsi version of the Cybertruck?
Tesla haven't abandoned level 5 self driving where the car will cross the country to pick you up - all using the current hardware - but few people think that will really happen (key being current installed hardware in the car, especially sensor array)
Tesla haven't abandoned their solar tile roof business
Tesla just kind of park things until tech catches up however long that takes.
Its also a sign of strength to be prepared to can a project rather than keepp flogging it to try and save face,.
hyphen said:
jjwilde said:
What product have Tesla ever abandoned never to launch? Why on earth would they abandon this after the crazy love for it AND it being so cheap to manufacture?
Crazy love?200k pre-orders isn't it? You know they sell 20 million vehicles each year in the US alone, and 200k people worldwide have put a impulsive tiny $100 refundable deposit down??
they would have been royally f
ked if they had spent a fortune developing the truck and only got 14 orders, i doubt they have the money for a model to fail Dave Hedgehog said:
hyphen said:
jjwilde said:
What product have Tesla ever abandoned never to launch? Why on earth would they abandon this after the crazy love for it AND it being so cheap to manufacture?
Crazy love?200k pre-orders isn't it? You know they sell 20 million vehicles each year in the US alone, and 200k people worldwide have put a impulsive tiny $100 refundable deposit down??
They have $5bn in cash lying around.
hyphen said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
hyphen said:
jjwilde said:
What product have Tesla ever abandoned never to launch? Why on earth would they abandon this after the crazy love for it AND it being so cheap to manufacture?
Crazy love?200k pre-orders isn't it? You know they sell 20 million vehicles each year in the US alone, and 200k people worldwide have put a impulsive tiny $100 refundable deposit down??
They have $5bn in cash lying around.
hyphen said:
They have $5bn in cash lying around.
They have serverly limited capex as well. it is all very short sighted, only real benefit is the share price.
There car margins are decreasing and they need a volume vehicle with high margins, that can sell in volume to stop the company burning up all its reserves.
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