New Tesla Pickup Truck
Discussion
kuro68k said:
jamoor said:
Frankly they need to increase the size of parking bays.
I'm sure they will demolish existing car parks and replace them with Cybertruck size ones before launch.Of course it's not just parking spaces. Many garages are too small to fit this thing.
Sheffield city council actually repainted parking spaces to make them smaller.
jamoor said:
kuro68k said:
jamoor said:
Frankly they need to increase the size of parking bays.
I'm sure they will demolish existing car parks and replace them with Cybertruck size ones before launch.Of course it's not just parking spaces. Many garages are too small to fit this thing.
Sheffield city council actually repainted parking spaces to make them smaller.
jamoor said:
kuro68k said:
jamoor said:
Frankly they need to increase the size of parking bays.
I'm sure they will demolish existing car parks and replace them with Cybertruck size ones before launch.Of course it's not just parking spaces. Many garages are too small to fit this thing.
Sheffield city council actually repainted parking spaces to make them smaller.
And you want car parking companies to reduce their bays, which they could do, by increasing the parking price so they make the same revenue. So you want the rest of us to pay for you wanting more space?
Edited by hyphen on Sunday 1st December 18:55
REALIST123 said:
jamoor said:
kuro68k said:
jamoor said:
Frankly they need to increase the size of parking bays.
I'm sure they will demolish existing car parks and replace them with Cybertruck size ones before launch.Of course it's not just parking spaces. Many garages are too small to fit this thing.
Sheffield city council actually repainted parking spaces to make them smaller.
The parking size has been the same since the 70's, we need to change the sizes as modern cars no longer fit in morris minor sized spaces.
Heres Johnny said:
jjwilde said:
hyphen said:
Roadster and the Lorry are yet to arrive at production maturity and they accepted deposits for them too didn't they?
Y is based on 3 and that has taken them a couple of years, so do you think they are doing to be able to launch thsi version of the Cybertruck?
What product have Tesla ever abandoned never to launch? Why on earth would they abandon this after the crazy love for it AND it being so cheap to manufacture?Y is based on 3 and that has taken them a couple of years, so do you think they are doing to be able to launch thsi version of the Cybertruck?
Tesla haven't abandoned level 5 self driving where the car will cross the country to pick you up - all using the current hardware - but few people think that will really happen (key being current installed hardware in the car, especially sensor array)
Tesla haven't abandoned their solar tile roof business
Tesla just kind of park things until tech catches up however long that takes.
Its also a sign of strength to be prepared to can a project rather than keepp flogging it to try and save face,.
The solar roof tile is a good idea and has taken three iterations to get to a product that is mass marketable. Once you start doing basic maths on how long a roof lasts and how much it costs to replace the Tesla roof could potentially have a market value close to Tesla's existing business. Construction is not particularly efficient, well organised or taking advantages of economies of scale.
Tesla work like a software company, they announce a product before they have done much of the design work, gauge interest with pre-order and then iterate the product.
Elon Musk is pretty much the embodiment of antithesis of the sunk cost fallacy. See Falcon 1, Model S 40KWH, Red Dragon, Falcon Heavy moonshot, carbon fibre BFR/Starship/Superheavy.
The principle issue for Tesla and everybody else is cell and battery pack manufacture. For Tesla at the moment the best place to put a cell is the Model 3 (volume of cells to revenue) in the next year the best place will be a Model Y.
There is no economic incentive to push the Truck and Semi until the Model 3 and Model Y are being produced to the point at which demand is satisfied.
Talksteer said:
Heres Johnny said:
jjwilde said:
hyphen said:
Roadster and the Lorry are yet to arrive at production maturity and they accepted deposits for them too didn't they?
Y is based on 3 and that has taken them a couple of years, so do you think they are doing to be able to launch thsi version of the Cybertruck?
What product have Tesla ever abandoned never to launch? Why on earth would they abandon this after the crazy love for it AND it being so cheap to manufacture?Y is based on 3 and that has taken them a couple of years, so do you think they are doing to be able to launch thsi version of the Cybertruck?
Tesla haven't abandoned level 5 self driving where the car will cross the country to pick you up - all using the current hardware - but few people think that will really happen (key being current installed hardware in the car, especially sensor array)
Tesla haven't abandoned their solar tile roof business
Tesla just kind of park things until tech catches up however long that takes.
Its also a sign of strength to be prepared to can a project rather than keepp flogging it to try and save face,.
The solar roof tile is a good idea and has taken three iterations to get to a product that is mass marketable. Once you start doing basic maths on how long a roof lasts and how much it costs to replace the Tesla roof could potentially have a market value close to Tesla's existing business. Construction is not particularly efficient, well organised or taking advantages of economies of scale.
Tesla work like a software company, they announce a product before they have done much of the design work, gauge interest with pre-order and then iterate the product.
Elon Musk is pretty much the embodiment of antithesis of the sunk cost fallacy. See Falcon 1, Model S 40KWH, Red Dragon, Falcon Heavy moonshot, carbon fibre BFR/Starship/Superheavy.
Even today, SpaceX packing up Florida starship build site and moving everything to Boca Chica.
https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starship-hardware...
The principle issue for Tesla and everybody else is cell and battery pack manufacture. For Tesla at the moment the best place to put a cell is the Model 3 (volume of cells to revenue) in the next year the best place will be a Model Y.
There is no economic incentive to push the Truck and Semi until the Model 3 and Model Y are being produced to the point at which demand is satisfied.
Talksteer said:
Tesla are miles ahead on self driving data (ten fold more data than everyone else together and growing at a faster rate), they stand are very high chance of being first to achieve level 5 as a minimum they will be a fast follower.
Tesla are years behind because they decided to make life hard for themselves and not use lidar.Google/Waymo already have self driving cars on the roads operating without safety drivers. Tesla can't even get their level 2 driver assistance to work properly.
Their BS about "gathering data" is just to make you think they are making more progress than they really are. They don't stream live data from your car or anything like that, they just collect a bit of information about areas where Autopilot craps out often.
Even today Tesla is behind other manufacturers. Nissan just released it's new autopilot that is hands-free and uses HD mapping.
kuro68k said:
Talksteer said:
Tesla are miles ahead on self driving data (ten fold more data than everyone else together and growing at a faster rate), they stand are very high chance of being first to achieve level 5 as a minimum they will be a fast follower.
Tesla are years behind because they decided to make life hard for themselves and not use lidar.Google/Waymo already have self driving cars on the roads operating without safety drivers. Tesla can't even get their level 2 driver assistance to work properly.
Their BS about "gathering data" is just to make you think they are making more progress than they really are. They don't stream live data from your car or anything like that, they just collect a bit of information about areas where Autopilot craps out often.
Even today Tesla is behind other manufacturers. Nissan just released it's new autopilot that is hands-free and uses HD mapping.
There is a gulf between collecting lots of data and collecting lots of useful data. While data collection when done correctly is really powerful, there's more than a hefty slice of Tesla appealing to the early adopters who think they are personally contributing to the future by driving on AP.
I wrote an article on Teslas path to AP value and it essentially says they should aim for true Level 4 on motorways and put all their energy into that. If they can crack that in a commercial sense, offer cars that can legally drive on motorways without drivers paying attention, they'll be well ahead of the market. All those travelling sales reps who can get their laptop out during a 2 hour drive while taking care of the first and last mile is much more achieveable than trying to be feature complete on everything to have for level 5. Which is more useful... driving past a school on AP during a 3 miles commuite but ready to grab the wheel at a moments notice and having to also be ready to grab the wheel at a moments notice on a motorway for 2 hours, or forgo the school on AP for now but get the motorway hassle free?
Tesla are trying to do both because they can't crack either 100%
Heres Johnny said:
kuro68k said:
Talksteer said:
Tesla are miles ahead on self driving data (ten fold more data than everyone else together and growing at a faster rate), they stand are very high chance of being first to achieve level 5 as a minimum they will be a fast follower.
Tesla are years behind because they decided to make life hard for themselves and not use lidar.Google/Waymo already have self driving cars on the roads operating without safety drivers. Tesla can't even get their level 2 driver assistance to work properly.
Their BS about "gathering data" is just to make you think they are making more progress than they really are. They don't stream live data from your car or anything like that, they just collect a bit of information about areas where Autopilot craps out often.
Even today Tesla is behind other manufacturers. Nissan just released it's new autopilot that is hands-free and uses HD mapping.
There is a gulf between collecting lots of data and collecting lots of useful data. While data collection when done correctly is really powerful, there's more than a hefty slice of Tesla appealing to the early adopters who think they are personally contributing to the future by driving on AP.
I wrote an article on Teslas path to AP value and it essentially says they should aim for true Level 4 on motorways and put all their energy into that. If they can crack that in a commercial sense, offer cars that can legally drive on motorways without drivers paying attention, they'll be well ahead of the market. All those travelling sales reps who can get their laptop out during a 2 hour drive while taking care of the first and last mile is much more achieveable than trying to be feature complete on everything to have for level 5. Which is more useful... driving past a school on AP during a 3 miles commuite but ready to grab the wheel at a moments notice and having to also be ready to grab the wheel at a moments notice on a motorway for 2 hours, or forgo the school on AP for now but get the motorway hassle free?
Tesla are trying to do both because they can't crack either 100%
I dont see the point in having to arbitrarily hold the steering wheel and wiggle it every now and then when the car is doing all of the driving.
hyphen said:
Gromm said:
History doth repeat itself!
Roadster not delivered 1500 or so
Model S not delivered hundred thousand or so
Model X also not deliver hundred thousand or so
Model 3 300,000 or more totally not delivered.
Model Y prepping for complete not delivered very soon
Suspicious history of not delivering, esp cars that exceed their release stats
Remember 2009 when audi said they'd release an etron, or when Porsche said the taycan would be $85k do 300 miles and charge at 350kw lol.
Model S not delivered hundred thousand or so
Model X also not deliver hundred thousand or so
Model 3 300,000 or more totally not delivered.
Model Y prepping for complete not delivered very soon
Suspicious history of not delivering, esp cars that exceed their release stats
Remember 2009 when audi said they'd release an etron, or when Porsche said the taycan would be $85k do 300 miles and charge at 350kw lol.
tbh whoever still believes VAG at this point might as well take a convicted serial killer in, believing he won't do it again. RobDickinson said:
HarryCrowth said:
How was the sledge hammer unable to dent the side panel metal? What metal was it made from does anyone know?
30x cold rolled stainless steel 3mm.30x is tesla /spacex blend so no one knows exactly
How does this sledgehammer proof body ( costly to fix if you do break it ? can't take it down the local panel bashers ) cope with being good for hitting pedestrians for NCAP etc? NCAP being excellent for s and 3 etc.
Rather a conundrum....
RobDickinson said:
HarryCrowth said:
How was the sledge hammer unable to dent the side panel metal? What metal was it made from does anyone know?
30x cold rolled stainless steel 3mm.30x is tesla /spacex blend so no one knows exactly
https://www.upmet.com/products/stainless-steel/301...
It is around twice as strong as high strength low alloy steels used in crash structures. But the principal reason it resisted a hammer was it's thickness.
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