Tesla Model Y

[Mr E]

z4RRSchris said:

delivery now december - feb ....

more waiting.

Friday. Friday!

[EddieSteadyGo]

Could be wishful thinking on my behalf, but is anyone else wondering if the UK delivery timeframes are about to come down? The 'new' shorter range Model Y in China has a 1-4 week estimated delivery time, and I wonder if that will soon translate into the longer range versions?

And potentially more wishful thinking on my part, but I can't help but notice that the UK prices seem a bit more expensive than mainland Europe when adjusting for the exchange rate. Might that suggest a price reduction in the UK could happen later this year?

[Mr E]

They can sell every car they make and inflation is 10%. I don’t see prices coming down…

[EddieSteadyGo]

Mr E said:

They can sell every car they make and inflation is 10%. I don’t see prices coming down…

Maybe. Except much of the demand is the backlog from chip shortages and pandemic related disruption, and the price increases earlier this year take account of inflation, which is why their gross margin has never been better. And as I mentioned, model Y cars for domestic consumption in China have just moved to 1-4 week delivery timeframe (for the slightly smaller batter version). And factory production capacity at Shanghai and Berlin are both currently increasing rapidly. The recent devaluation of the pound (and euro) against the dollar is perhaps a reason why a change in price won't happen, and I accept it might be wishful thinking on my part, but I'm thinking we might see some (small) tweaks down in the price here in the UK (and possibly the US too).

[MaxFromage]

Delivery times and lease deal prices have come down over the last month or so..?

[Mr E]

Mr E said:

Friday. Friday!

Woo

[knitware]

Mr E said:

Woo

Excellent, I love mine, 5k miles and 6 months later, still a joy, hope you enjoy yours as much!

[Mr E]

Mr E said:

Heres Johnny said:

As your main car? If you’re used to anything that’s cosseted you before in the past, nope.

Going from E-Class on air to a model y. I expect to not like the ride much.

For completeness, I can now confirm that I don’t like the ride much.

[PushedDover]

Mr E said:

Mr E said:

Heres Johnny said:

As your main car? If you’re used to anything that’s cosseted you before in the past, nope.

Going from E-Class on air to a model y. I expect to not like the ride much.

For completeness, I can now confirm that I don’t like the ride much.

We concur. The ride in my Air Suspension A6 All Road and seats are better than the Tesla Y. But it wins on almost all other aspects.

Dropping the tyre pressure from delivery pressure (iirc 50psi) to ‘correct’ pressure of iirc 41 - 42 psi helps

[Mr E]

Running 41. It’s very stiff to manage the mass I suspect (and people equate ‘stiff’ with ‘sporty’)

It’s a better transport solution than the merc. But the merc currently feels like the better car.

[skwdenyer]

Mr E said:

Running 41. It’s very stiff to manage the mass I suspect (and people equate ‘stiff’ with ‘sporty’)

It’s a better transport solution than the merc. But the merc currently feels like the better car.

How’s the damping? On the roads I drive on most often, stiff spring is a bit of a must, but only if accompanied be very competent damping.

[Heres Johnny]

skwdenyer said:

How’s the damping? On the roads I drive on most often, stiff spring is a bit of a must, but only if accompanied be very competent damping.

In a word, Rubbish, not far off transit van territory.

Ours in now just the local runaround. And if that’s all it’s going to do I may as well save £30k and get a i3.

[Mr E]

skwdenyer said:

How’s the damping? On the roads I drive on most often, stiff spring is a bit of a must, but only if accompanied be very competent damping.

I’ve not done lots of miles yet.
Damping seems relatively well resolved, but it’s the initial hit on rough/broken surfaces that is unpleasant.

The cruise to work on a relatively decent bit of the M4 was fine.

[Smiljan]

Heres Johnny said:

In a word, Rubbish, not far off transit van territory.

Ours in now just the local runaround. And if that’s all it’s going to do I may as well save £30k and get a i3.

What tyres does it have? There are loads of complaints on the ride quality on the Y but the latest RSEV content suggests it may have slightly improved on newer ones. Tyres can make a big difference but perhaps it’s just their way of keeping the weight under control without having air suspension?

[Durzel]

Heres Johnny said:

skwdenyer said:

How’s the damping? On the roads I drive on most often, stiff spring is a bit of a must, but only if accompanied be very competent damping.

In a word, Rubbish, not far off transit van territory.

Ours in now just the local runaround. And if that’s all it’s going to do I may as well save £30k and get a i3.

Apparently Made in Germany cars are coming with better suspension. Not air, but different somehow. That doesn't really help you, though, or anyone in fact since GigaBerlin don't appear to be making RHD cars, nor has it actually been confirmed as far as I can tell. There is a lot of confirmation bias you have to wade through trying to get objective information about this stuff, no one wants to run down their own car.

Tesla seems to be quite keen to push their margins to the extreme (I believe recently they reported the highest margin per car compared to rivals). Stuff gets removed under the auspices of "chip shortage", etc.

Ultimately a Model Y is a "cheaper X", but it's not a cheap car and other manufacturers seem to accept that this sort of stuff is not acceptable, so their cars are specced with more compliant suspension, comfier & more supportive seats, etc. Ride quality in a family SUV type vehicle is just as important as the efficiency in my opinion.

As a M3P owner myself, my first Tesla, I feel like they're in that period where Ferrari were pre 458 - i.e. you pay for the engine and the rest comes for free. Tesla appear to sell all of the cars they make, as fast as they can make them, so they have no incentive to really improve anything substantially if it costs them money. I can't see the Y getting air suspension, for example, which arguably it needs.

Edited by Durzel on Monday 12th September 10:09

[Mr E]

I’d add, straight line performance at “normal” speeds is highly effective.

[Heres Johnny]

Smiljan said:

Heres Johnny said:

In a word, Rubbish, not far off transit van territory.

Ours in now just the local runaround. And if that’s all it’s going to do I may as well save £30k and get a i3.

What tyres does it have? There are loads of complaints on the ride quality on the Y but the latest RSEV content suggests it may have slightly improved on newer ones. Tyres can make a big difference but perhaps it’s just their way of keeping the weight under control without having air suspension?

Symons talks out of his preverbial - he reviewed a MYP which has a different suspension to the MYLR and declared the difference was because it was made in Germany and not because it was a different suspension setup. He's also announced a "new battery" that had been in the cars for nearly a year. I would strongly suggest doing yourself a favour and unsubscribing to his content unless you like being led down the garden path.

The tyres are the standard Hankock they fit to all MY LR from China. The pressure has been corrected to 41/42 PSI. The suspension is basically firm on the compression and the damping just makes it judder on bad road surfaces. The sound insulation (or lack of) means you get to hear the mechancial workings of the suspension transmit into the cabin too. And mine has been in to service and I've been told its all correct.

[Mr E]

I agree springs are firm. The damping feels ok.
I don’t think it’s particularly noisy, but as the car is generally quieter than an ICE you may notice it more.

I have a parcel shelf, which may help

[Smiljan]

Heres Johnny said:

Smiljan said:

Heres Johnny said:

In a word, Rubbish, not far off transit van territory.

Ours in now just the local runaround. And if that’s all it’s going to do I may as well save £30k and get a i3.

What tyres does it have? There are loads of complaints on the ride quality on the Y but the latest RSEV content suggests it may have slightly improved on newer ones. Tyres can make a big difference but perhaps it’s just their way of keeping the weight under control without having air suspension?

Symons talks out of his preverbial - he reviewed a MYP which has a different suspension to the MYLR and declared the difference was because it was made in Germany and not because it was a different suspension setup. He's also announced a "new battery" that had been in the cars for nearly a year. I would strongly suggest doing yourself a favour and unsubscribing to his content unless you like being led down the garden path.

The tyres are the standard Hankock they fit to all MY LR from China. The pressure has been corrected to 41/42 PSI. The suspension is basically firm on the compression and the damping just makes it judder on bad road surfaces. The sound insulation (or lack of) means you get to hear the mechancial workings of the suspension transmit into the cabin too. And mine has been in to service and I've been told its all correct.

I take it you don't like him

There is always aftermarket if you intend to keep the car for a long time

https://unpluggedperformance.com/product/tesla-mod...

Edited by Smiljan on Monday 12th September 12:19

[Heres Johnny]

Smiljan said:

I take it you don't like him

There is always aftermarket if you intend to keep the car for a long time

https://unpluggedperformance.com/product/tesla-mod...

Edited by Smiljan on Monday 12th September 12:19

He got all carried away after carwow plugged him, and went on a misiion to pump out anything - I've met him several times and like any used car sales man he says whatever he can get away with to make money.

I'm not going to go after market, I shouldn't have to, it''s going on the market soon when I've secured it's replacement. Panamera Sport Turismo e-hybrid is the leading contender