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Fusion777 said:
I don’t think there’s much hope for EV residuals or new prices staying strong over the next several years. Competition and economies of scale are all increasing vastly.
It won’t be that long before they’re at parity with ICE, and I dare say they’ll then become the cheaper and dominant option.
Curious how you believe this. It won’t be that long before they’re at parity with ICE, and I dare say they’ll then become the cheaper and dominant option.
Have ICE cars gotten cheaper ever based on your synopsis?
PushedDover said:
Fusion777 said:
I don’t think there’s much hope for EV residuals or new prices staying strong over the next several years. Competition and economies of scale are all increasing vastly.
It won’t be that long before they’re at parity with ICE, and I dare say they’ll then become the cheaper and dominant option.
Curious how you believe this. It won’t be that long before they’re at parity with ICE, and I dare say they’ll then become the cheaper and dominant option.
Have ICE cars gotten cheaper ever based on your synopsis?
Heres Johnny said:
PushedDover said:
Fusion777 said:
I don’t think there’s much hope for EV residuals or new prices staying strong over the next several years. Competition and economies of scale are all increasing vastly.
It won’t be that long before they’re at parity with ICE, and I dare say they’ll then become the cheaper and dominant option.
Curious how you believe this. It won’t be that long before they’re at parity with ICE, and I dare say they’ll then become the cheaper and dominant option.
Have ICE cars gotten cheaper ever based on your synopsis?
Heres Johnny said:
PushedDover said:
Fusion777 said:
I don’t think there’s much hope for EV residuals or new prices staying strong over the next several years. Competition and economies of scale are all increasing vastly.
It won’t be that long before they’re at parity with ICE, and I dare say they’ll then become the cheaper and dominant option.
Curious how you believe this. It won’t be that long before they’re at parity with ICE, and I dare say they’ll then become the cheaper and dominant option.
Have ICE cars gotten cheaper ever based on your synopsis?
Of course Tesla win versus other manufacturers with a little kudos in being the tour de force in BEV, and shame the others that are hampered by ICE legacy cost to try and keep up.
dvshannow said:
Think model Y is quite good value the amount of tech it offers - the price cut is quite surprising to me especially how much they cut it by .
Do they have the production to keep up with supply.
Is demand that bad. Or
do they just want to disrupt the market?
They make millions of cars, many times more than the others, and last year saw them munch through their order book backlog which hasn't been replenished to the same extent. In effect they have been in an over supply situation for probably 9 months.Do they have the production to keep up with supply.
Is demand that bad. Or
do they just want to disrupt the market?
The price cuts weren't really done in the last few days, for over a month they've been offering near identcal discounts on inventory, they've just formalised it into the list price.
Used prices of Tesla has been falling fairly rapidly for months, our MY has dropped £10k snce October.
PushedDover said:
You don’t think this is Tesla simply spicing the market up, keeping momentum, whilst some journos and ‘media’ are enjoying being ‘controversial’ and / or click baity to stand out and say EVs make no sense currently against electricity prices (largely to the thick and ill informed) - moving the Tesla price, moves the ‘man maths’ as seen in the above calculations.
Of course Tesla win versus other manufacturers with a little kudos in being the tour de force in BEV, and shame the others that are hampered by ICE legacy cost to try and keep up.
BYD sold twice as many BEV in China vs Tesla during 2022 - hence the aggressive price cuts there.Of course Tesla win versus other manufacturers with a little kudos in being the tour de force in BEV, and shame the others that are hampered by ICE legacy cost to try and keep up.
coetzeeh said:
BYD sold twice as many BEV in China vs Tesla during 2022 - hence the aggressive price cuts there.
BYD sold 600k BEV in 21, 1.8m in 22. Tesla sold 430k in 22 (up 38% YoY).BYD are in a different league over there. But then they weren’t a startup. With more models, suspect Tesla could capitalise on the assessable market there, but the model pipeline seems uncertain.
Handing in my pistonheads card in advance, but I just test drove the performance version, and decided that it was amusing but superfluous.
Rwd model, even in the colour I want with upgraded wheels, is £450 net on my company’s salsac scheme. 24 months 10k miles.
It’s a bit of a no brainer for my use, I’m work from home.
Rwd model, even in the colour I want with upgraded wheels, is £450 net on my company’s salsac scheme. 24 months 10k miles.
It’s a bit of a no brainer for my use, I’m work from home.
Walshenham said:
Handing in my pistonheads card in advance, but I just test drove the performance version, and decided that it was amusing but superfluous.
Rwd model, even in the colour I want with upgraded wheels, is £450 net on my company’s salsac scheme. 24 months 10k miles.
It’s a bit of a no brainer for my use, I’m work from home.
I got the RWD version and it's a great car. Quick enough for most things, I live in a small town with A and B roads all around and it's not fell off the road yet despite not having 4WD.Rwd model, even in the colour I want with upgraded wheels, is £450 net on my company’s salsac scheme. 24 months 10k miles.
It’s a bit of a no brainer for my use, I’m work from home.
Had a rental ‘23 Model Y LR for a week.
Impressive solidity, isolation and refinement.
Ride is on the firm side, but not uncomfortable, and the tradeoff is that the handling is excellent and secure - far better in that respect than most competitive vehicles, be they ICE or EV.
I’d prefer a slightly slower steering ratio, but adapted easily enough.
Overall it represents an outstanding value proposition, IMO.
Impressive solidity, isolation and refinement.
Ride is on the firm side, but not uncomfortable, and the tradeoff is that the handling is excellent and secure - far better in that respect than most competitive vehicles, be they ICE or EV.
I’d prefer a slightly slower steering ratio, but adapted easily enough.
Overall it represents an outstanding value proposition, IMO.
Refinement? Seriously?
I've got a Model 3 but I would not describe it as refined, and I even have the "premium" interior. Perhaps you ought to sample some of the German marques at a similar price point.
Can't argue with the value proposition though, and there's a lot to like about it that you still don't get with legacy automakers.
I've got a Model 3 but I would not describe it as refined, and I even have the "premium" interior. Perhaps you ought to sample some of the German marques at a similar price point.
Can't argue with the value proposition though, and there's a lot to like about it that you still don't get with legacy automakers.
Durzel said:
Refinement? Seriously?
I've got a Model 3 but I would not describe it as refined, and I even have the "premium" interior. Perhaps you ought to sample some of the German marques at a similar price point.
Can't argue with the value proposition though, and there's a lot to like about it that you still don't get with legacy automakers.
My model 3 is more satisfying than most of my BMW, especially BMW since F series, but BMW like Mercedes and Audi I think there is a huge different between high spec and poor spec. My model 3 sit between them, better than my lease 430i Sport poverty spec, but below my 335d GT M Sport I've got a Model 3 but I would not describe it as refined, and I even have the "premium" interior. Perhaps you ought to sample some of the German marques at a similar price point.
Can't argue with the value proposition though, and there's a lot to like about it that you still don't get with legacy automakers.
Durzel said:
Refinement? Seriously?
I've got a Model 3 but I would not describe it as refined, and I even have the "premium" interior. Perhaps you ought to sample some of the German marques at a similar price point.
Can't argue with the value proposition though, and there's a lot to like about it that you still don't get with legacy automakers.
My China built Model Y is really quiet inside, quieter than my Audi A6 was. I've got a Model 3 but I would not describe it as refined, and I even have the "premium" interior. Perhaps you ought to sample some of the German marques at a similar price point.
Can't argue with the value proposition though, and there's a lot to like about it that you still don't get with legacy automakers.
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