Seems like 2024 models will be announced next week
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Since the new GSR2 regulations will become effective July 2024 and Alpine plan to keep the A110 alive until 2026 they have no choice but to reduce their production volume to 1500 cars a year for EU markets since the vehicle would be too expensive to re-engineer for compliance. (The U.K. is adopting the same regulations at the same time so our market is no use to them either.)
They are apparently trying to look at export market growth in other areas. It’s a shame as they were successful at selling a third more cars in 2022 as they did in 2021.
The upshot of this is that I would imagine, restricted to 1500 EU cars a year they are going to go for highly specified very expensive cars to make maximum profit per car.
They are apparently trying to look at export market growth in other areas. It’s a shame as they were successful at selling a third more cars in 2022 as they did in 2021.
The upshot of this is that I would imagine, restricted to 1500 EU cars a year they are going to go for highly specified very expensive cars to make maximum profit per car.
But it definitely makes sense to get rid of the base model in order to get the max profit out of the 1500 vehicles they’re still allowed to sell.
I guess this also means new expensive limited editions.
But i guess it will be good for the base models on the used car market. They’ll seem like a steal (which they actually are…).
I guess this also means new expensive limited editions.
But i guess it will be good for the base models on the used car market. They’ll seem like a steal (which they actually are…).
Julian Thompson said:
(The U.K. is adopting the same regulations at the same time so our market is no use to them either.)
Presumably we will have a limited allowance to cater for Caterhams and the like. So UK sales could probably still increase - but perhaps not if the starting price is beyond 60k.bcr5784 said:
Julian Thompson said:
(The U.K. is adopting the same regulations at the same time so our market is no use to them either.)
Presumably we will have a limited allowance to cater for Caterhams and the like. So UK sales could probably still increase - but perhaps not if the starting price is beyond 60k.Julian Thompson said:
I don’t know how it will work - if the EU rules mandate 1500 cars/year then how many cars we in the U.K. going to be able to have? It can’t be another 1500 and I can’t see it being an EU and U.K. scheme done together since Brexit.
Most rules / regulations on automotive are still being adopted by the UK to align with the EU, there is no legal requirement, its just being doneAndy665 said:
Julian Thompson said:
I don’t know how it will work - if the EU rules mandate 1500 cars/year then how many cars we in the U.K. going to be able to have? It can’t be another 1500 and I can’t see it being an EU and U.K. scheme done together since Brexit.
Most rules / regulations on automotive are still being adopted by the UK to align with the EU, there is no legal requirement, its just being doneJulian Thompson said:
Understood but what I mean is how do they align the numbers? Ie are the EU going to include the UK’s numbers as though the U.K. was part of the EU?
I can't see any reason why that would be the case. The EU isn't going to count UK numbers any more than it will count Japanese ones or Swiss ones.There might be a marketing case for raising the base price in countries where emissions taxes already give a significant price advantage over rivals - but not elsewhere.
bcr5784 said:
While I'm all for GT with bucket seats, if we only have 300bhp engines - with big brakes ann wheels then the base price will go up a lot. The Cayman will look good on paper.
I haven't heard anything internally but have seen it mentioned that a price rise in November is coming. If the base model is disappearing a £10k 'rise' will naturally happen. I think it would still be competitive against a Cayman with similar options ticked.It would have the effect of helping to move current stock of base models with a few options, and using parts which need to be used by 2025/6 when production ends.
It will be a shame if the 17" wheel option is no longer available, as I think the car looks and drives most beautifully on the road with that standard.
Edited by 7en on Tuesday 7th November 19:02
bcr5784 said:
Julian Thompson said:
Understood but what I mean is how do they align the numbers? Ie are the EU going to include the UK’s numbers as though the U.K. was part of the EU?
I can't see any reason why that would be the case. The EU isn't going to count UK numbers any more than it will count Japanese ones or Swiss ones.There might be a marketing case for raising the base price in countries where emissions taxes already give a significant price advantage over rivals - but not elsewhere.
“With the UK adopting the EU’s GSR2 regulations at the same time as Europe, there will also be no chance of the UK market becoming more important for Alpine, and taking the supply of cars that can’t be sold on the continent. “
“France currently represents more than half of Alpine’s sales volume for the A110 and post-2024 could probably account for all of the cars that the company would be allowed to sell within the EU.”
So I can’t quite work it out, but that was during an interview with Roberto Bonetto, Alpine VP of engineering. If the U.K. were to allow the full 1500 cars here also then that would be contrary to the article as all of a sudden we could become an important market. But the article suggests we won’t. So there has to be a reason for that. Any ideas?
To look at it another way in H1/2022 France took 944 cars (out of about 1500 within EU/UK) so if annual EU (inc UK) production is limited to 1500 cars per year then the French market alone could absorb all of them unlike any other market so why try ?
Edited by johnnyreggae on Wednesday 8th November 05:42
johnnyreggae said:
To look at it another way in H1/2022 France took 944 cars (out of about 1500 within EU/UK) so if annual EU (inc UK) production is limited to 1500 cars per year then the French market alone could absorb all of them unlike any other market so why try ?
But why include the UK numbers in EU numbers? Edited by johnnyreggae on Wednesday 8th November 05:42
We are no longer in the EU and their regulations do not apply to us. Along with many other EU regulations however they have been adopted into UK Law, however, whilst exactly the same as the EU regulations, they are separate and distinct and apply separately. It would need a separate agreement with the EU to restrict numbers jointly across the EU and the UK.
Consequently the numbers would be 1500 in the EU AND 1500 in the UK. Therefore the UK market could be just as important as the EU market as a whole (assuming that they can sell 1500 cars in the UK each year.
Because to quote VCA: The GB type approval scheme is based on EU legislation as it was retained in UK law on 31st December 2020 and any subsequent UK legislation that amends or supplements the retained EU legislation. So 'retained' is the key word
Having accepted that the whole thing applies to cars of which 'less than 1500 units are produced each year'
Having accepted that the whole thing applies to cars of which 'less than 1500 units are produced each year'
Julian Thompson said:
I’ll definitely want one if it’s 350hp
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