A110R “Radical”
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Few years back I was on a trackday in Wales in my M2 Comp, as usual hammering it down with rain all day. There was an A110 there with a young albeit pro driver who was giving people hot laps - it was outrageous how fast he was able to go in the wet!
It wasn't his car and he did comment how well it drove.
TX.
It wasn't his car and he did comment how well it drove.
TX.
I went on the thruxton day with the A110S and then went out on subsequent days with my stock 718 spyder (PDK). teh standard A110s is too soft but I had more fun in it than my spyder which was setup with -2 degrees of camber.
The one trait i think afflicts gt4s is the rear suspension at high speed corners, I just didn't feel confident enough to plant it out of church. Anyways, the spyder was never going to be a track car but the A110 can definitely hold its own. I subsequently order an S but converted to an R when it was announced.
who can say no to a mid engine car which can option out the front boot for (-5kg) ...
The one trait i think afflicts gt4s is the rear suspension at high speed corners, I just didn't feel confident enough to plant it out of church. Anyways, the spyder was never going to be a track car but the A110 can definitely hold its own. I subsequently order an S but converted to an R when it was announced.
who can say no to a mid engine car which can option out the front boot for (-5kg) ...
Took my car to Spires on Friday. Weight with a full tank was about 10kg over the stated weight, which wasn't too bad. The car had minimal camber, and the shocks were set to 9, which is soft. We lowered the ride height by 9mm and added -2 camber to the front and rear, and stiffened the dampers up. Waiting for new discs and pads from K-Tec Racing now.
As far as laptimes , one lapped in 7.30 with the driver doing a bit of show boating. I don't know what setup he was running but the back was very loose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52La5K0zz3s
This laptime is the same as a Giulia QF driven by a professional driver and the saloon car lap record so its pretty decent.
As far as laptimes , one lapped in 7.30 with the driver doing a bit of show boating. I don't know what setup he was running but the back was very loose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52La5K0zz3s
This laptime is the same as a Giulia QF driven by a professional driver and the saloon car lap record so its pretty decent.
hilts uk said:
Took my car to Spires on Friday. Weight with a full tank was about 10kg over the stated weight, which wasn't too bad. The car had minimal camber, and the shocks were set to 9, which is soft. We lowered the ride height by 9mm and added -2 camber to the front and rear, and stiffened the dampers up. Waiting for new discs and pads from K-Tec Racing now.
As far as laptimes , one lapped in 7.30 with the driver doing a bit of show boating. I don't know what setup he was running but the back was very loose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52La5K0zz3s
This laptime is the same as a Giulia QF driven by a professional driver and the saloon car lap record so its pretty decent.
Good to know. Afaik though stated weight is 75% tank so perhaps that explains the 10kg?As far as laptimes , one lapped in 7.30 with the driver doing a bit of show boating. I don't know what setup he was running but the back was very loose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52La5K0zz3s
This laptime is the same as a Giulia QF driven by a professional driver and the saloon car lap record so its pretty decent.
Lap time is impressive as I guess it loses a fair bit at the top end where the big power cars just keep going of course.
I absolutely love it set up as now so I will be interested to hear how you get on with the "time attack" version!
TX.
hilts uk said:
As far as laptimes , one lapped in 7.30 with the driver doing a bit of show boating. I don't know what setup he was running but the back was very loose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52La5K0zz3s
This laptime is the same as a Giulia QF driven by a professional driver and the saloon car lap record so its pretty decent.
That's a bridge-to-gantry lap time, so it misses out the main straight, which takes maybe an additional 20 seconds. The Alfa time is for a full lap including main straight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52La5K0zz3s
This laptime is the same as a Giulia QF driven by a professional driver and the saloon car lap record so its pretty decent.
Terminator X said:
Good to know. Afaik though stated weight is 75% tank so perhaps that explains the 10kg?
TX.
A110 quote DIN weights which includes 90% full tank -so perhaps 4kg of 10kg. Certainly the PE was pretty much dead on the quoted 1105kg. That said even the weight of paint varies from colour to colour and you can pick up quite a bit of road crud too.TX.
Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 7th August 16:27
Olivera said:
hilts uk said:
As far as laptimes , one lapped in 7.30 with the driver doing a bit of show boating. I don't know what setup he was running but the back was very loose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52La5K0zz3s
This laptime is the same as a Giulia QF driven by a professional driver and the saloon car lap record so its pretty decent.
That's a bridge-to-gantry lap time, so it misses out the main straight, which takes maybe an additional 20 seconds. The Alfa time is for a full lap including main straight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52La5K0zz3s
This laptime is the same as a Giulia QF driven by a professional driver and the saloon car lap record so its pretty decent.
TX.
Spokeyblokey said:
Terminator X said:
Good to know. Afaik though stated weight is 75% tank so perhaps that explains the 10kg?
TX.
Interested to read this TX. Does that mean that all Alpine quoted weights assume inclusion of c.30kg of fuel? (eg. A110S is more like 1,080kg with an empty tank?)TX.
TX.
Edited by Terminator X on Tuesday 8th August 00:51
Edited by Terminator X on Tuesday 8th August 01:02
Fantastic looking car! I also love the huge attention to detail around weight saving & handling ability. As a longtime RS & Lotus fanboy, (currently own Mk4 Trophy R & Evora GT430), I’m very very tempted to commit to buying one.
However, at the current £97k price point I’m really conflicted over the comparative ‘lack of puff’ from the engine and the absence of a mechanical LSD. The Trophy R has essentially the same 1.8l lump but produces 400nm of torque compared to 340nm declared for the A110 R. Plus the Meg has an excellent mech LSD (as did previous Trophy models). A high torque figure and an effective mechanical LSD are usually considered essential features for any track biased performance car.
I would be happy with a super efficient 4 pot (e.g. the optional AMG engine & transmission in the Emira is at 350 bhp stock and tuning to high 400s is relatively straightforward).
I hear the excuses around the need for power restrictions to meet the strict demands (& price incentives) of the primary French market. Also the limitations around the duel clutch transmissions ability to handle additional power. Doesn’t really help me ignore a £97k price tag however.
Am I being overly critical? I really want to love this car, it has so much going for it and it is great to see a manufacturer that is still fully committed to proper lightweight sports cars.
However, at the current £97k price point I’m really conflicted over the comparative ‘lack of puff’ from the engine and the absence of a mechanical LSD. The Trophy R has essentially the same 1.8l lump but produces 400nm of torque compared to 340nm declared for the A110 R. Plus the Meg has an excellent mech LSD (as did previous Trophy models). A high torque figure and an effective mechanical LSD are usually considered essential features for any track biased performance car.
I would be happy with a super efficient 4 pot (e.g. the optional AMG engine & transmission in the Emira is at 350 bhp stock and tuning to high 400s is relatively straightforward).
I hear the excuses around the need for power restrictions to meet the strict demands (& price incentives) of the primary French market. Also the limitations around the duel clutch transmissions ability to handle additional power. Doesn’t really help me ignore a £97k price tag however.
Am I being overly critical? I really want to love this car, it has so much going for it and it is great to see a manufacturer that is still fully committed to proper lightweight sports cars.
Blindsided said:
Am I being overly critical?
I wouldn't say you were being too critical, but I think you just want the car to be something it's not.The gearbox limits vs the same engine in the Megane are what they are, it would be nice if that wasn't the case, but it is. The R appears just as fast around the Nurburgring, with I think far fewer laps done, I can find a 7:30 for the R vs a fastest 7:33 for the Trophy R.
The Emira comment about tuning, this hasn't yet been proven as far as I know? The Lotus engineers appear to have struggled with heat, and no one knows what asking more of the engine is going to do to temperatures and reliability. If modifying is on the cards, you can get the R remapped AND fit an LSD from MP Rezeau.
On the price of it... Well, things are just really really expensive now, right? I don't much like the price either which is why I backed out, but maybe we all just have to get our heads around the fact that this is how it is now, just gotta suck it up if we want one.
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