fuel pump fails in current production
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Rocket. said:
Seriously considering a used A110 (probably pre 2021 car) as my next purchase but this is putting me off a bit...
I get that cars breakdown (2x Lotus!) and all been there but think I've only been left stranded once in 30+ years of driving.
Am I right in saying dealers should be able to tell me if the car has had the fuel pump changed but even then as it stands it's just as likely it could happen again?
It isn't something that worries me + does seem to be heat related so hot running etc. Not such of an issue in the UK I'd say.I get that cars breakdown (2x Lotus!) and all been there but think I've only been left stranded once in 30+ years of driving.
Am I right in saying dealers should be able to tell me if the car has had the fuel pump changed but even then as it stands it's just as likely it could happen again?
TX.
Terminator X said:
Rocket. said:
Seriously considering a used A110 (probably pre 2021 car) as my next purchase but this is putting me off a bit...
I get that cars breakdown (2x Lotus!) and all been there but think I've only been left stranded once in 30+ years of driving.
Am I right in saying dealers should be able to tell me if the car has had the fuel pump changed but even then as it stands it's just as likely it could happen again?
It isn't something that worries me + does seem to be heat related so hot running etc. Not such of an issue in the UK I'd say.I get that cars breakdown (2x Lotus!) and all been there but think I've only been left stranded once in 30+ years of driving.
Am I right in saying dealers should be able to tell me if the car has had the fuel pump changed but even then as it stands it's just as likely it could happen again?
TX.
bcr5784 said:
FWIW the UK PE cars (pre 2019) do not seem so prone to failure - David Pook (Life 110) has said to me that he hasn't seen a failure in one of those cars.
On the French forum someone's PE fuel pump died the other day. It doesn't seem plausible that PEs were not affected and it then took Alpine many revisions to revert back to it - in other words I suspect they suffer exactly the same failure rate.Olivera said:
On the French forum someone's PE fuel pump died the other day. It doesn't seem plausible that PEs were not affected and it then took Alpine many revisions to revert back to it - in other words I suspect they suffer exactly the same failure rate.
Clearly Alpine believe that some variants of the pump are more likely to fail than others - hence the selective "recall" and change. Mine hasn't been "recalled" so I would assume that Alpine (rightly or wrongly) think my pump is less likely to fail than others. I have seen reports of both French and Austrailian PE pumps failing - but I've not seen one on a UK PE. That's not to say PE pumps DON'T fail - but just that failure rates DO seem to vary across pump variants and the PE ones seem less prone.essexstu said:
update this morning from my local dealer John Banks
"recall is happening, current fix and new part, solves problem, will update with more later"
this is excellent news!
I work for Renault/Alpine and can confirm there is definitely a new part which is being fitted to affected vehicles. I've yet to hear of a new recall though... "recall is happening, current fix and new part, solves problem, will update with more later"
this is excellent news!
bcr5784 said:
FWIW the UK PE cars (pre 2019) do not seem so prone to failure - David Pook (Life 110) has said to me that he hasn't seen a failure in one of those cars. That's not to say there hasn't been one - but those cars don't seem to have been identified by Alpine as warranting their limited "replacement at service" recall. Hope that doesn't scupper mine or any one else with a PE who hasn't had a failure.
I did a post earlier when I took my PE to Bedford autodrome the evening of 8th September with an ambient temperature over 30°C and experienced problems under hard acceleration so much so that it ruined the evening. The car went into limp mode and would not rev above 3.5K without hesitation/cutting out. Days later when the temperature went back to normal in the 20s the car was perfect and has been ever since.I have since corresponded with Wasim at Alpine UK and if ever Alpine find a perfect solution to the problem, I will be requesting my car to be fitted with the said , perfect solution.
I was going to buy a used A110 and had a read of this forum before making a serious search. These are great cars. Let me say that first.
BUT this fuel pump issue has been the final nail in the coffin. I was wary of buying a car like the Alpine where the timely availability of parts is an issue. Furthermore you are tied in to the dealer network for repairs/ servicing more so than more common models. If Alpine were a stand alone manufacturer you would have more sympathy with these issues. But Alpine has the might of Renault behind it. There is no excuse for crap fuel pumps and general slow availability of parts when things go wrong. I hope Alpine/Renault UK is taking note on comments on this forum. It is affecting their car sales.
PS Good luck and happy motoring to all you owners
BUT this fuel pump issue has been the final nail in the coffin. I was wary of buying a car like the Alpine where the timely availability of parts is an issue. Furthermore you are tied in to the dealer network for repairs/ servicing more so than more common models. If Alpine were a stand alone manufacturer you would have more sympathy with these issues. But Alpine has the might of Renault behind it. There is no excuse for crap fuel pumps and general slow availability of parts when things go wrong. I hope Alpine/Renault UK is taking note on comments on this forum. It is affecting their car sales.
PS Good luck and happy motoring to all you owners
nospark said:
I was going to buy a used A110 and had a read of this forum before making a serious search. These are great cars. Let me say that first.
BUT this fuel pump issue has been the final nail in the coffin. I was wary of buying a car like the Alpine where the timely availability of parts is an issue. Furthermore you are tied in to the dealer network for repairs/ servicing more so than more common models. If Alpine were a stand alone manufacturer you would have more sympathy with these issues. But Alpine has the might of Renault behind it. There is no excuse for crap fuel pumps and general slow availability of parts when things go wrong. I hope Alpine/Renault UK is taking note on comments on this forum. It is affecting their car sales.
PS Good luck and happy motoring to all you owners
Thats the only correct reaction. Alpine sh*ts on their customers and doesn’t care at all. The car is great (as long as there’s no problem), but the company behind it not so much. If i could turn back time I wouldn’t buy again and instead go for a Cayman T.BUT this fuel pump issue has been the final nail in the coffin. I was wary of buying a car like the Alpine where the timely availability of parts is an issue. Furthermore you are tied in to the dealer network for repairs/ servicing more so than more common models. If Alpine were a stand alone manufacturer you would have more sympathy with these issues. But Alpine has the might of Renault behind it. There is no excuse for crap fuel pumps and general slow availability of parts when things go wrong. I hope Alpine/Renault UK is taking note on comments on this forum. It is affecting their car sales.
PS Good luck and happy motoring to all you owners
neil-g8km6 said:
I did a post earlier when I took my PE to Bedford autodrome the evening of 8th September with an ambient temperature over 30°C and experienced problems under hard acceleration so much so that it ruined the evening. The car went into limp mode and would not rev above 3.5K without hesitation/cutting out. Days later when the temperature went back to normal in the 20s the car was perfect and has been ever since.
I have since corresponded with Wasim at Alpine UK and if ever Alpine find a perfect solution to the problem, I will be requesting my car to be fitted with the said , perfect solution.
Are you sure that was a fuel pump (starvation?) issue? Clearly it could be - but (unless you have info to the contrary) it could be an overheating issue - water, engine or gearbox oil, or clutch.I have since corresponded with Wasim at Alpine UK and if ever Alpine find a perfect solution to the problem, I will be requesting my car to be fitted with the said , perfect solution.
bcr5784 said:
Are you sure that was a fuel pump (starvation?) issue? Clearly it could be - but (unless you have info to the contrary) it could be an overheating issue - water, engine or gearbox oil, or clutch.
I drove the car leisurely down the M6 from the midlands at about 60 mph and arrived early at Dunsford, the car was left for about 1 hour in the shade till briefing and we proceeded to the track pits area in convoy also at a leisurely pace. The distance from the pit lane to the first acute, 2nd gear, 180 degree corner is about 100 meters.
It was whilst accelerating away from this first corner that the problem became apparent, the car was definitely not hot, hence my thoughts on fuel starvation and fuel pump issue with the warning "check injectors" on the dash.
I took the car to K-Tec on the following Monday and there were no fault codes showing on the diagnostics, neither could we replicate the problem, the ambient temperature however had gone back to the usual low 20sC.
After sending a detailed email of complaint to Alpine UK, I was contacted by Wasim Choudary of Renault UK Customer services who has been most helpful and restored a modicum of faith back in human nature, the jury is still out on Renault/Alpine.
Forgot to add that the car had been serviced the previous Tuesday by Floyd at K-Tec racing and Floyd is fastidious!
Edited by neil-g8km6 on Tuesday 24th October 11:55
on French website:
https://www.largus.fr/actualite-automobile/alpine-...
Looks like it is finally happening.
Interesting to read that they already replaced 2849 fuel pumps in 2021!
https://www.largus.fr/actualite-automobile/alpine-...
Looks like it is finally happening.
Interesting to read that they already replaced 2849 fuel pumps in 2021!
Reggid85 said:
I read in Steve Copley's column, in this weeks Autocar, that his Alpine A110 conked out last week, 30 miles from home. Could it be.....?
The first high profile owner I know, whose car has failed. He says he will reveal details in next weeks issue.
If it is fuel pump related, the good news is that given the fact he's a respected motoring journalist, it might prompt Alpine to do something or issue a statement. The bad news is that it will be a much more public issue in the petrol head press, with probable impact on residuals.
Steve has confirmed (on their 'My Week in Cars' podcast) that it was indeed the fuel pump, and his car is now back with him after the dealer have replaced it.The first high profile owner I know, whose car has failed. He says he will reveal details in next weeks issue.
If it is fuel pump related, the good news is that given the fact he's a respected motoring journalist, it might prompt Alpine to do something or issue a statement. The bad news is that it will be a much more public issue in the petrol head press, with probable impact on residuals.
The dealer staff also managed to ring him up and say 'You may want to contact your insurer, your car has a cracked chassis, ...' and detail various other serious damage to his car basically making it a write-off, before ringing back to explain that he had confused the two different A110s they had in for repair!
Still, Steve has been remarkably upbeat about the whole affair (I think he's just a nice guy), and was still saying lots of nice things about the A110.
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